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Prestigious Uni or Good Grades?

Which matters more? Going to one of the top Russell Group Universities or going to a non-Russell group and achieving high grades?
Would an employer potentially prefer someone who went to King's College London compared to someone who went to Bedfordshire?

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Reply 1

Original post
by HirenT
Which matters more? Going to one of the top Russell Group Universities or going to a non-Russell group and achieving high grades?
Would an employer potentially prefer someone who went to King's College London compared to someone who went to Bedfordshire?

Personally I think a first class degree will always look better. It would be odd for an employer to choose someone from a Russell group over someone with a better grade from a different University.

Reply 2

A reasonable amount of companies are name blind now. They want to know the class and type of degree, but not the name. This stops them picking someone based on the name of their university.

I think that point is defeated if you work for the university as a student ambassador/for the Student Union but oh well.

So a 1st class degree is better than a name.
Firstly I wouldn't agree that it necessarily follows that a "good grade" is easier to get at a "non-prestigious" university. Secondly, not only are many if not most employers agnostic to where you studied, I don't actually think having a 1st vs just a standard 2:1 is going to make much of any difference in most professional fields. For most grad schemes the degree (and classification) are just a tick box along the lines of "Does the applicant have a degree at 2:1 or above yes or no? If yes, proceed with reviewing the CV/application materials otherwise. If no, do not consider further."

Realistically what will make the difference is what you do to make yourself employable by developing relevant transferable skills and, most importantly, securing appropriate experience through internships/vacation schemes/etc as applicable to your sector. Debatably some more "prestigious" universities may be able to have links to a wider range of options and/or have a larger or more engaged alumni base to leverage for networking to explore internship options etc. This may be particularly true for certain sectors (e.g. investment banking, management consulting, heritage/arts, and similar areas).

Note also for some areas it really doesn't matter at all provided you graduate in the first place, e.g. medicine.

Essentially I think you're setting up a false dichotomy and focusing too much on that rather than the actual issues you would face as a graduate looking for a job.

Reply 4

Hard for me to address the second part of your post but - as an Oxford graduate who left with a 2.2 - I think in most cases, the degree classification will carry more weight with employers, than the uni prestige alone :smartass:

Reply 5

I don’t want to spoil the fun, but literally, no employer has ever asked me about my degree grade, whether it’s first class, 2.2, or 3, seriously. I think prestige does matter here.
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by vv444
I don’t want to spoil the fun, but literally, no employer has ever asked me about my degree grade, whether it’s first class, 2.2, or 3, seriously. I think prestige does matter here.

Which employers have you applied to?

I don’t think I’ve seen a formal application form that doesn’t ask for the grades/results of qualifications listed.

Reply 7

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by PQ
Which employers have you applied to?
I don’t think I’ve seen a formal application form that doesn’t ask for the grades/results of qualifications listed.


I work at the British museum, previously the royal collections

Reply 8

Original post
by PQ
Which employers have you applied to?
I don’t think I’ve seen a formal application form that doesn’t ask for the grades/results of qualifications listed.


Honestly, I think prestige matters here. Your degree, university, and courses - not your grades. I had all good grades, but literally no one ever asked me about them
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by vv444
I work at the British museum, previously the royal collections


Did you apply using a CV + letter or an application form?

Reply 10

Original post
by PQ
Did you apply using a CV + letter or an application form?


No, at such prestigious institutions you don’t send a CV. It’s always an application form you have to fill out on their website.
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by vv444
No, at such prestigious institutions you don’t send a CV. It’s always an application form you have to fill out on their website.

Which asks for your degree classification (“Subject and grades”)
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Was the application form substantially different when you applied?

Reply 12

Original post
by PQ
Which asks for your degree classification (“Subject and grades”)
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Was the application form substantially different when you applied?


Literally no one has ever asked me that. I do believe it’s for people with only GCSEs, since they hire students as well
Original post
by vv444
Literally no one has ever asked me that. I do believe it’s for people with only GCSEs, since they hire students as well

So the application form was different when you applied?
Original post
by vv444
No, at such prestigious institutions you don’t send a CV. It’s always an application form you have to fill out on their website.

Out of curiosity how many jobs have you had since graduating and what job titles were they?

Reply 15

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by artful_lounger
Firstly I wouldn't agree that it necessarily follows that a "good grade" is easier to get at a "non-prestigious" university. Secondly, not only are many if not most employers agnostic to where you studied, I don't actually think having a 1st vs just a standard 2:1 is going to make much of any difference in most professional fields. For most grad schemes the degree (and classification) are just a tick box along the lines of "Does the applicant have a degree at 2:1 or above yes or no? If yes, proceed with reviewing the CV/application materials otherwise. If no, do not consider further."
Realistically what will make the difference is what you do to make yourself employable by developing relevant transferable skills and, most importantly, securing appropriate experience through internships/vacation schemes/etc as applicable to your sector. Debatably some more "prestigious" universities may be able to have links to a wider range of options and/or have a larger or more engaged alumni base to leverage for networking to explore internship options etc. This may be particularly true for certain sectors (e.g. investment banking, management consulting, heritage/arts, and similar areas).
Note also for some areas it really doesn't matter at all provided you graduate in the first place, e.g. medicine.
Essentially I think you're setting up a false dichotomy and focusing too much on that rather than the actual issues you would face as a graduate looking for a job.

Excellent advice, eloquently expressed.

There may have once been a time when a 2:2 from Oxford would carry more weight than a 2:1 from a polytechnic, awarded by the CNAA. I have often used the example of a Maths graduate applying for a teaching post in the 1970s to 1990s. If it it was to teach Maths in a state maintained comprehensive the 2:1 would win; if it was for "General Subjects" in a private preparatory school it would be Oxford all the way. With few exceptions, those days are long gone.

That said, a relative of mine who is a partner in one of the big four accountancy firms tells me that they have an unofficial list of around a dozen UK universities from which they recruit exclusively, alongside graduates from "high ranking" overseas institutions. Obviously, I cannot verify that.
Is there some reason why you are having to pick between the two? Why not attend an RG uni and aim to get good grades? :hmmmm2:

Edit: my bad, I didn't see this was in the debate section. Hmm I'm not sure really, it's a bit of both I guess. A 3rd from Newcastle is probably not going to be thought as impressive as a 1st from Leicester, but contrariwise a 2.1 from Oxford is probably going to trump a 1st from an ex-poly.

Reply 17

Original post
by HirenT
Which matters more? Going to one of the top Russell Group Universities or going to a non-Russell group and achieving high grades?
Would an employer potentially prefer someone who went to King's College London compared to someone who went to Bedfordshire?

Good question. I’ve been wondering the same thing as it’s harder to get a 1st from certain institutions (for degrees like law, anyway). Surely it would be unfair to purely look at degree classification in that case? But at the same time, I can see how people are annoyed when a law grad with a 2.1 from Cambridge is preferred over a 1st from ULaw or something because on paper, the latter has the better grade. Uni-blind recruitment does seem to be a thing in most fields though, so I’m not sure how they deal with this.

Edit just read artful lounger’s post and that makes a lot more sense
(edited 9 months ago)

Reply 18

Original post
by HirenT
Which matters more? Going to one of the top Russell Group Universities or going to a non-Russell group and achieving high grades?
Would an employer potentially prefer someone who went to King's College London compared to someone who went to Bedfordshire?

I would say that what really matters is going to the right university for you personally. If that is a prestigious university, great, if it isn't, thats great too. The things that matter are the teaching, the modules offered, the support availiable, and the community and atmosphere. At the end of the day, you will do your best work if you are happy, comfortable, and supported and your experience at university could shape the rest of your career, so you wnt that experience to be positive. Base your choice on what current and recent students of the university say (especially if they are doing/have done the same/a similar course to what you want to do) as well as your own experience at open days or other events. Looking at subject specific rankings can also be helpfuul, but don't make them your only source.
Original post
by artful_lounger
Firstly I wouldn't agree that it necessarily follows that a "good grade" is easier to get at a "non-prestigious" university. Secondly, not only are many if not most employers agnostic to where you studied, I don't actually think having a 1st vs just a standard 2:1 is going to make much of any difference in most professional fields. For most grad schemes the degree (and classification) are just a tick box along the lines of "Does the applicant have a degree at 2:1 or above yes or no? If yes, proceed with reviewing the CV/application materials otherwise. If no, do not consider further."
Realistically what will make the difference is what you do to make yourself employable by developing relevant transferable skills and, most importantly, securing appropriate experience through internships/vacation schemes/etc as applicable to your sector. Debatably some more "prestigious" universities may be able to have links to a wider range of options and/or have a larger or more engaged alumni base to leverage for networking to explore internship options etc. This may be particularly true for certain sectors (e.g. investment banking, management consulting, heritage/arts, and similar areas).
Note also for some areas it really doesn't matter at all provided you graduate in the first place, e.g. medicine.
Essentially I think you're setting up a false dichotomy and focusing too much on that rather than the actual issues you would face as a graduate looking for a job.

I agree

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