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UKMT Olympiad + STEP/TMUA/MAT General Advice Needed

Experienced Mathematicians (fingers crossed @Muttley79 sees this) - how do you learn to start chipping into really hard problems that you just cannot seem to crack, even after an hour of contemplation, even after a night or 2 of sleeping on a problem. Even when you are tenacious by nature?

I'm trying to support a maths student who wants to progress but becomes demotivated by hours of little to no progress on tough Olympiad style questions .

Can you teach yourself techniques to problem solve on your own?
Student was gifted George Polya's How to Solve it but it's too dry for their age.
I've seen Paul Zeitz's 'Art & Craft of Problem Solving' mentioned on Reddit but am worried the examples may be too advanced for a Y10?

Any general advice would be most welcome - either resources or approaches.
I am sure this skill comes with age but I don't want demotivation to kill the fun in the meantime.

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by toppov
Experienced Mathematicians (fingers crossed @Muttley79 sees this) - how do you learn to start chipping into really hard problems that you just cannot seem to crack, even after an hour of contemplation, even after a night or 2 of sleeping on a problem. Even when you are tenacious by nature?
I'm trying to support a maths student who wants to progress but becomes demotivated by hours of little to no progress on tough Olympiad style questions .
Can you teach yourself techniques to problem solve on your own?
Student was gifted George Polya's How to Solve it but it's too dry for their age.
I've seen Paul Zeitz's 'Art & Craft of Problem Solving' mentioned on Reddit but am worried the examples may be too advanced for a Y10?
Any general advice would be most welcome - either resources or approaches.
I am sure this skill comes with age but I don't want demotivation to kill the fun in the meantime.

For a decent about y10++ problem solving book, I like
https://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/9478
its similar to polya but much more readable/interesting. You can download the introductory chapter(s) to have a quick scan (the download/introductory chapter is on the easier side) and while the example/discussed questions are rmore imc/smc style, rather than olmpiad, being explicit about how to start with questions (sketch/extreme cases/sub numbers/transform/...) is often where you start with olympiad/harder questions and being explicit about listing the different problem solving techniques and trying them often gets you started. Without knowing the kid, sometimes just solving the same problem a few different ways can get them to appreciate its less about applying school maths in a straightforward fashion, and time spent thinking about a problem is rarely wasted, as long as they get some insights / do something / dont just stare at a blank page. Aops are "better" than ukmt in having a range of different solutions on line.

Zeitz is too advanced as you say. Gardiners essence of maths (free)
https://www.openbookpublishers.com/books/10.11647/obp.0168
is probably somewhere between y10 and zeitz but has core topics well laid out in a problem based way and could be dipped into as appropriate. Its a bit less prollem solving, but more topic / chapters but good to work through the basics. The old proof without words books are good to flick through/think about as is a decent history book, ... and the parallel/nrich/... stuff. Obviously, the amount of problem solving in step/mat is different to olympiad stuff, though its a good thing to have in your bag of maths tricks.

Reply 2

This is a fantastic reply @mqb2766 and the one I was looking for - thank you so much! I'm going to get both books on the back of your recommendation.
May I ask about AoPS....is it the US equivalent of UKMT? I'm trying to navigate the site as an ignoramus and it looks great but I'm struggling with two things:
1) it all seems geared at selling online classes. Am I missing some static content area of past papers or questions banks that correlate with the 'range of different solutions online' that you mention.
2) I'm not sure which level to direct the Y10 student to. They score fullish marks in IMC, obtained JMO silver & Cayley gold but found Hamilton hard this year - what level would that be? Very 'naturally' good at UKMT, hasn't been hot-housed, obviously hasn't studied A level maths yet but often asks teacher to explain higher level maths that they've not yet come across in lessons

Reply 3

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by toppov
This is a fantastic reply @mqb2766 and the one I was looking for - thank you so much! I'm going to get both books on the back of your recommendation.
May I ask about AoPS....is it the US equivalent of UKMT? I'm trying to navigate the site as an ignoramus and it looks great but I'm struggling with two things:
1) it all seems geared at selling online classes. Am I missing some static content area of past papers or questions banks that correlate with the 'range of different solutions online' that you mention.
2) I'm not sure which level to direct the Y10 student to. They score fullish marks in IMC, obtained JMO silver & Cayley gold but found Hamilton hard this year - what level would that be? Very 'naturally' good at UKMT, hasn't been hot-housed, obviously hasn't studied A level maths yet but often asks teacher to explain higher level maths that they've not yet come across in lessons

If the kid gets full marks on imc, they may find the problem solving book not that stretching. Theyll learn some stuff from it, and its a good, readable overview of the approaches though. The essence of maths is a good one to work through and probably about right level for them. Theres also the ukmt mentoring sheets and the frost slides.

1) Yes, its the us version of ukmt and yes it sells. There are some good books (a bit expensive) but it has access to things like
https://artofproblemsolving.com/wiki/index.php/AMC_10_Problems_and_Solutions
and the solutions have a good range which is good to learn from. Theres a similar bmo geometry solutions
https://imogeometry.blogspot.com/p/british.html
so ignore the advertising stuff and there is some good stuff on there. For other books, there are the older maa ones, some of which are relevant / good.

2) Again, I dont really know their / your background but its sometimes hard to get the level/topics right to begin with. Ive had a quick look at this years hamilton and yeah its not necessarily straightforward, but not too bad either. 1 and 2 should be fairly straightforward? 3 is similar triangles which ukmt (and others) go big on, but not really covered in much depth at school so unless the kid has done some practice, its not going to come easily. However, if its a geometry problem, one of the first things to think about is similar triangles, and once youre pointing in that direction it should give quite easily (couple of ratios). Similarly for digit problems like 4. 5 should scream dots and Id prrobably do something like the altenative solution (ukmt) so just list alternatives which is kinda boring but clear. Id guess its a mix of problem solving but also doing the practice on topics like similar triangles, simple diophatine equations, dots/prime factorisation, ... Doing some learning/practice about basic geometry, basic number theory, .... as well as problem solving would probably be beneficial but I guess its really digging into what/why they found this years hamilton hard and helping with that. Id have thought q5 should be fairly doable for a keen kid, even though its the second last question.

Not sure if that really answers your questions, but it may be a mix of exposure/practice on "competition" (basic) geometry/number theory techniques as well as some getting your hands dirty with problem solving.

Reply 4

Thanks so much for that wealth of info - you'll now appreciate why I need help navigating. I haven't done maths since O level and those were phased out decades ago.
Student won't review the Hamilton Solutions as, much like an ostrich, can't face it until confronted with the results. Top level summary immediately afterwards (just before putting head in sand due to disappointment) was that they were able to have an okay crack at 4 questions (including 1,3 & 4) left 6 for time reasons and didn't comment either on 2 or 5.
I'll pass on your opinion for which I'm extremely grateful as there's not much out there to go on and it will help identify the issues. Kevin Olding of Mathsaurus might do a review but only in passing when the boundaries & results are released which is probably not for another couple of weeks.
Dr Frost was not on my radar - I had a look on the website but found it hard to navigate to them & could only flush the slides out by googling 'Dr Frost UKMT slides' but what's there is great. Student had already identified a weakness on speed/time questions and we could have done with that resource 10 days ago!
Thanks again @mqb2766....you've been brilliant. I'm pretty sure I'll be returning with maths related requests for advice over the next few years so keep me on your radar.

Reply 5

Can I just check that the 'Frost slides' are the ones listed under Riemann Zeta Club?

Reply 6

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by toppov
Can I just check that the 'Frost slides' are the ones listed under Riemann Zeta Club?

Yes. Theyre a decent overview of smc/bmo stuff with a small amount of step/mat thrown in, and not too bad for readability. Theyre a decent overview of tricks to cover geometry/algebra/number theory etc for ukmt. Its worth mentioning again, that only some of this would be relevant to step and mat. So algebra is always good (step), there is the odd bit of geometry and number theory questions in mat ...

One thing I noticed from the hamilton this year was that two of the questions (2&6) were about finding a best solution and then proving its best, which is a very bmo-type question. So finding the tiling for q2 should have been relatively straightforward, but then to show its the best one is the harder part. So even if someone has a harder time one year, its worth chalking it up to experience and putting in a bit of effort for next time.

Reply 7

your observations are the seeds of personal statement material for down the line & not something I'd pick up on but will be pointing out for possible future use...nice!

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by toppov
your observations are the seeds of personal statement material for down the line & not something I'd pick up on but will be pointing out for possible future use...nice!

No problem. A few other things they find interesting.

Martin Gardner - Colossal book of mathematics (and the colossal book of short puzzles and problems). He wrote for scientific america for a couple of decades and published numerous recreational maths books (so similar to problem solving / ukmt / non school maths). These are probably a good place to start and dip into, as long as they like 500+ page books.

Roger Nelson - Proofs without words: exercises in visual thinking. There are several follow ons and the books are a bit old though the idea is to illustrate/visualise proofs using diagrams, so the motivation / ideas behind the algebra. It is more focussed on geometry, but has a range of differernt applications and is similar to thinking about how to visualise/sketch a problem/solution in the problem solving stuff.

There are many other (pop maths) books by Ian Stewart, Alex Bellos, ... I guess it depends on what they find interesting. Similarly there are more competition focussed books like on the ukmt, aops, ... web. Zeitz is good but maybe a year or so too early and similarly for A Primer for Mathematics Competitions by Zawaria. I always think a good maths history book is interesting, but Id find it hard to recommend one for someone in y10+ as the more informative ones tend to be drier/more academic.

Oxford maths club has weekly talks
https://www.maths.ox.ac.uk/outreach/oxford-online-maths-club
and similarly there is a fair amount of stuff on cambridges outreach
https://maths.org/

Some of the stuff above could be used in a personal statement, though that should really be about what the kid finds interesting .... rather than a list of stuff theyve read/done.

Reply 9

These suggestions are brilliant & so helpful.
Just purchased the Gardner books as they'll totally hit the mark. A love of recreational maths has always been there though I tread slightly carefully at this stage where constant suggestion of resources on my part makes it less fun. I know that if I left those two 'lying around' they'll be lingered over for a good deal of time.
I'm going to struggle to get my hands on Proofs without Words but a preview reminded me slightly of some of the visuals I saw on a trial of Brilliant.com. Do you happen to know whether the content on there is any good? It's quite an expensive subscription just for fun
Also keen to hear of any good logic based app games - Simon Tatham's Puzzle collection is the go to time passer on tube journeys for both of us. The Maths.org link is perfect. The Plus 'Magazine' puzzles are great (wish they were on an app) and the articles are perfect. Student is more included to read those at the moment than get stuck into a book because is currently in a phase of reading immersive & emotionally moving modern novels - fair enough. Likes to watch Three Gods-type TedEd Riddles, Josephus problem, The 100 Prisoners Riddle etc on YouTube to wind down at night. Soaks it all up like a sponge. Wish I'd had access to all these resources as a teenager. In an attempt to better understand why maths is so loved I read an untouched copy of Fermat's Last Theorem last summer - completely brilliant & I now get it even though I can't do it.

Reply 10

I keep looking at the Roger Nelson book...it looks fantastic (but so £££)

Reply 11

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by toppov
These suggestions are brilliant & so helpful.
Just purchased the Gardner books as they'll totally hit the mark. A love of recreational maths has always been there though I tread slightly carefully at this stage where constant suggestion of resources on my part makes it less fun. I know that if I left those two 'lying around' they'll be lingered over for a good deal of time.
I'm going to struggle to get my hands on Proofs without Words but a preview reminded me slightly of some of the visuals I saw on a trial of Brilliant.com. Do you happen to know whether the content on there is any good? It's quite an expensive subscription just for fun
Also keen to hear of any good logic based app games - Simon Tatham's Puzzle collection is the go to time passer on tube journeys for both of us. The Maths.org link is perfect. The Plus 'Magazine' puzzles are great (wish they were on an app) and the articles are perfect. Student is more included to read those at the moment than get stuck into a book because is currently in a phase of reading immersive & emotionally moving modern novels - fair enough. Likes to watch Three Gods-type TedEd Riddles, Josephus problem, The 100 Prisoners Riddle etc on YouTube to wind down at night. Soaks it all up like a sponge. Wish I'd had access to all these resources as a teenager. In an attempt to better understand why maths is so loved I read an untouched copy of Fermat's Last Theorem last summer - completely brilliant & I now get it even though I can't do it.

There are electronic copies (and it is old) for the nelson one. Ill have a look for it.

Reply 12

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by toppov
I keep looking at the Roger Nelson book...it looks fantastic (but so £££)

https://archive.org/details/proofs-without-words-roger-nelsen/Proofs%20without%20Words%20-%20Roger%20Nelsen/page/2/mode/2up
has the first 3 volumes. The second and third are pdfs.

Reply 13

Fantastic - right up her street. Would love to see a shiny new coloured version (on an app for portability!) but these will do.

Reply 14

@mqb2766 I have a new question if that is okay?
Obviously Hamilton went pretty well BUT her layout to Q2 was HORRID. I wouldn't know but she knew it was horrid & her maths teacher had a look too and also commented that it was horrid- the script came back (with the sole comment of 'well done' on it) so they had a look at it.
She'd actually been in a panic when attempting Q2 as had been somewhat thrown by both Q1 & Q2 but I suspect her layout is not the best even when things are going well.

My question :
How do mathematicians learn the discipline of a neat layout with all the rights statements etc ?
I'm guessing it is not worthy of a dedicated book but do you know of an essay or webpage on it? I think from memory I saw one on AoPS when you directed me there.
Or is it something you pick up just doing questions and looking at model answers and having your scrappy layout pointed out to you 😀

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by toppov
@mqb2766 I have a new question if that is okay?
Obviously Hamilton went pretty well BUT her layout to Q2 was HORRID. I wouldn't know but she knew it was horrid & her maths teacher had a look too and also commented that it was horrid- the script came back (with the sole comment of 'well done' on it) so they had a look at it.
She'd actually been in a panic when attempting Q2 as had been somewhat thrown by both Q1 & Q2 but I suspect her layout is not the best even when things are going well.
My question :
How do mathematicians learn the discipline of a neat layout with all the rights statements etc ?
I'm guessing it is not worthy of a dedicated book but do you know of an essay or webpage on it? I think from memory I saw one on AoPS when you directed me there.
Or is it something you pick up just doing questions and looking at model answers and having your scrappy layout pointed out to you 😀

Pretty much the last one, so something you pick up just doing questions and looking at model answers and having your scrappy layout pointed out to you. I guess the key thing to understand is how a scrappy layout/logic could be misinterpreted and why she may lose marks in the future (typically markers will be a bit harsher as the levels go up).

Im not sure how she works, but for olympiads like this, often the ans are relatively short and most of the time is spent thinking/scribbling. If she has the time, it may be worth getting in the habit of spending 10-20 min per question scribbling, then 5 min writing up a bit more coherently.

Edit - on a slightly different manner, this popped up about improving mat
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7528019
and if you have a look at the tips, theyre (not surprisingly) similar to the problem solving stuff, so sketch, sub numbers, eliminate/work back from answers, spot magic numbers, ....

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In the words of a poster on that linked thread Thank you SOO MUCH! This is EXCEPTIONALLY helpful.
She's a massive scribbler/rough worker so I just don't know what happened on Q2. There was definitely an element of panic which is unusual as she normally does not break a sweat in a crisis. It's all good though as I think the marker report acknowledged that it was a very very slightly off paper this year.
She's going to attempt Q6 this weekend even though she said she didn't understand the answer. I've cut & paste a few approach hints of yours from the other thread for her to look at so fingers crossed.

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by toppov
In the words of a poster on that linked thread Thank you SOO MUCH! This is EXCEPTIONALLY helpful.
She's a massive scribbler/rough worker so I just don't know what happened on Q2. There was definitely an element of panic which is unusual as she normally does not break a sweat in a crisis. It's all good though as I think the marker report acknowledged that it was a very very slightly off paper this year.
She's going to attempt Q6 this weekend even though she said she didn't understand the answer. I've cut & paste a few approach hints of yours from the other thread for her to look at so fingers crossed.

Thanks. For the q6, I didnt really write it as hints, so Im not sure if theyd be that helpul. To get started you could think of it as a checker board and if a black cell has been dug, the only 4 possiblities are the neighbouring white cells (touching horizontally and verticallly), however a white cell cannot be dug if another of its adjacent, black cells has been dug in a different direction (and vice versa if the white cell has been dug initially). So understanding what happens to the n=3 case is fairly fundamental to the more general "n" (a bit like understanding what happens with a population of 3 penguins for the cayley as at each iteration, you select 3 penguins)

The n>=3 in the question pretty much hints that understanding the n=3 case would be a sensible starting point. In problem solving terms, that would be considering an extreme case (n as small as possible).

How does this generalise to n=5,7 and what the insights are for the more general case. You should probably expect there may be a bit of jiggery pokery to go from 3 -> 5, somewhat like the swapping penguin order when you need an extra one. Then what are the general constraints which make this a minimum value for M?

So really understanding what constraints are that give the minimum value for M and coming up with an algorithm that achieves it goes hand in hand. Just post what she attempts if she still doesnt understand it.

Edit - from a quick look at the markers report, they suggest something similar so work out what happens with n=3,5,7 ... and by then you should really understand the general solution and what the constraints are to justify what the lower bound is. Also note the comment about how the mole moves, so it can move anywhere at a particular time, as long as the cell it digs up is valid. So moley can teleport to any cell on the board at any time.

Edit 2 - There are some similar "games" in martin gardners books, so thinking about sequences that end up in some sort of winning state.

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by toppov
In the words of a poster on that linked thread Thank you SOO MUCH! This is EXCEPTIONALLY helpful.
She's a massive scribbler/rough worker so I just don't know what happened on Q2. There was definitely an element of panic which is unusual as she normally does not break a sweat in a crisis. It's all good though as I think the marker report acknowledged that it was a very very slightly off paper this year.
She's going to attempt Q6 this weekend even though she said she didn't understand the answer. I've cut & paste a few approach hints of yours from the other thread for her to look at so fingers crossed.

Was mulling this over a bit yesterday and another way to get started on the problem would be to think about the logical reasoning (another problem solving section) associated with the general "n" problelm. Its also differs from the previous way in that youre less interested thinking about the sequence of cells dug and more interested in the properties of the final solution. The usual thing is that when you hit a brick wall with one approach, try another thing.

So to approach the problem from the other direction (and it would be partially related to how they describe the solution). So roughly there are two main rules

a cell can be dug if the two neighbouring cells in one direction are undug,

a dug cell must be connected horizontally / vertically to another dug cell

and were looking for a minimal solution.

Taking the first rule, that means there must be at least one dug cell in each row and column (n rows and n columns so 2n in total). The reasoning is very simple as if there isnt, the first rule means you can dig a cell on the first empty row/column next to the dug area and keep iterating out over the undug rows/columns. The smallest number of dug cells which would satisfy this is n and youd arrange those along the diagronal and each dug cell would be double counted for a row and a column. A dug diagonal also passes through the centre cell which is where moley starts, so it seems a reasonable arrangement to consider. So M>=n.

Now think about the second rule, how can a minimal number of additional cells be introduced so the diagonal forms a connected set of cells? ....

The above is to get her started and there is a reasonable amount of extra reasoning in the ... But when you come up with the answer theres a few interesting insights about such paths.

Reply 19

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by mqb2766
Was mulling this over a bit yesterday and another way to get started on the problem would be to think about the logical reasoning (another problem solving section) associated with the general "n" problelm. Its also differs from the previous way in that youre less interested thinking about the sequence of cells dug and more interested in the properties of the final solution. The usual thing is that when you hit a brick wall with one approach, try another thing.
So to approach the problem from the other direction (and it would be partially related to how they describe the solution). So roughly there are two main rules

a cell can be dug if the two neighbouring cells in one direction are undug,

a dug cell must be connected horizontally / vertically to another dug cell

and were looking for a minimal solution.
Taking the first rule, that means there must be at least one dug cell in each row and column (n rows and n columns so 2n in total). The reasoning is very simple as if there isnt, the first rule means you can dig a cell on the first empty row/column next to the dug area and keep iterating out over the undug rows/columns. The smallest number of dug cells which would satisfy this is n and youd arrange those along the diagronal and each dug cell would be double counted for a row and a column. A dug diagonal also passes through the centre cell which is where moley starts, so it seems a reasonable arrangement to consider. So M>=n.
Now think about the second rule, how can a minimal number of additional cells be introduced so the diagonal forms a connected set of cells? ....
The above is to get her started and there is a reasonable amount of extra reasoning in the ... But when you come up with the answer theres a few interesting insights about such paths.

Thanks so much for the above. For some reason she's really defeated on Q6 even with UKMT's video solution, courtesy of Geoff Smith, and your hints. Wants to return to it 'when I'm older' (?!) but I think she needs to work through it with someone in person so will suggest she asks a nice maths teacher

On a completely different note, can I ask what level Euler's line & circle is in terms of curriculum maths and UKMT maths.....
Is it something that comes up A level ?
I think it comes up in BMO1 because I read an old thread on here where a Y10 or 11 who was aiming high mentioned not being familiar with the terms centroid/circumcentre/orthocentre.
Does it come up in anything prior to BMO1 (MOG, Maclaurin etc?).
We've just come across it in a super-curricular context & need to self teach. I found an introduction on Brilliant here but wondered if there was any better basic walk through (online preferably). As an aside I'm envious I was never exposed to maths beyond O level...the Euler line is v cool.
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