Trump's America heads into fascism - will the UK follow it?

Nothing to do with gay pride. I believe in free speech and don't think someone should lose their livelihood for having an opinion.

I'm not saying I agree with everything he's done but he's never been convicted of those things you say he is.
The alternative was everything that's wrong with society these days. We need to stand up to woke. I'm not saying we need someone like Trump but we need someone who goes against all that nonsense. Rupert Lowe would certainly get my vote to be Prime Minister.

So like
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/creq99l218do
or
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/anti-american-wh-press-sec-blasted-over-demand-to-punish-reporter-who-criticized-trump/ar-AA1GjCzG
or ....
Trumps crackdown on free speech is almost unprecedented in recent times
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/30/trump-crackdown-free-speech
and today Senator Alex Padilla was "arrested" for trying to ask a question in noems press conference after the (unwanted) deployment of troops.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/12/los-angeles-protests-alex-padilla-kristi-noem
I guess to keep to topic, Im reasonably happy with free speech in the uk and certainly dont want troops deployed on the streets on a whim. Middleton seemed keen, though farage seems to have distanced himself/reform from middleton yesterday, though who knows what 48 hrs will do.

I mean he has been convicted… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Carroll_v._Donald_J._Trump
He has also numerous times explictly outlined how he sexually abused women by saying he kissed and groped them ‘without waiting’ and also talked about how he watched naked underage changing without their consent

Surely you value Trump’s economic, social and political policies? You don’t agree with ‘everything’ he’s done, but what do you believe in?? Does the fact he is threatening world peace, destroying the world economy and posing a serious threat to free speech have any influence in you support for him??

Nothing to do with gay pride. I believe in free speech and don't think someone should lose their livelihood for having an opinion.

I'm not saying Trump is the answer but you can only vote for who's standing. On one hand you had a candidate endorsed by countless woke celebrities who I despise and was just an extension of them really. On the other hand you had a candidate who upsets all these woke celebrities with everything he says. I know who I'd rather vote for.
I never trust anything the Guardian says, they represent everything that's wrong with modern society.
Back in the 80s we were told we'd all be under water by the year 2000. It never happened. All it's doing is making our lives more expensive and inconvenient.
Which leads me on to a huge positive about Trump is scrapping net zero targets. Another big positive is scrapping DEI.

I'm not saying Trump is the answer but you can only vote for who's standing. On one hand you had a candidate endorsed by countless woke celebrities who I despise and was just an extension of them really. On the other hand you had a candidate who upsets all these woke celebrities with everything he says. I know who I'd rather vote for.
I never trust anything the Guardian says, they represent everything that's wrong with modern society.
Back in the 80s we were told we'd all be under water by the year 2000. It never happened. All it's doing is making our lives more expensive and inconvenient.
Which leads me on to a huge positive about Trump is scrapping net zero targets. Another big positive is scrapping DEI.

I'm not saying Trump is the answer but you can only vote for who's standing. On one hand you had a candidate endorsed by countless woke celebrities who I despise and was just an extension of them really. On the other hand you had a candidate who upsets all these woke celebrities with everything he says. I know who I'd rather vote for.
I never trust anything the Guardian says, they represent everything that's wrong with modern society.
Back in the 80s we were told we'd all be under water by the year 2000. It never happened. All it's doing is making our lives more expensive and inconvenient.
Which leads me on to a huge positive about Trump is scrapping net zero targets. Another big positive is scrapping DEI.

Then you are to have to offer your definition of woke and explain why you feel so threatened by it you'd happily give up personal freedoms. It is a nebulous and effectively meaningless term used by politicians and those in the media to trigger an emotional response.
Trump made it quite clear that any protests, protected as free speech under the 1st amendment, at his North Korea style military parade would be met with force. We've just seen a California state senator forcibly removed from a room by Trump's goons for daring to speak. Can you explain how you reconcile a believe in free speech while supporting someone opposed to free speech as these are contradictory positions.

I think you might have been misled here, one person at the UN made a statement in the 1980s explaining that if the world didn't start to take action by 2000, that some countries would face serious and widespread flooding in the future (which is unfortunately already happening).
Scrapping net zero targets to favour more expensive fossil fuels over cheaper renewables worsens outcomes for consumers and doesn't help anyone except the fossil fuel companies. In the meanwhile the costs (economic, social, environmental) of not-taking action with a warming planet continue to rise which harm us *all*.

I dont understand your free speech argument. Celebrities getting upset, rightly or wrongly, isnt stopping/suppressing free speech, whereas trump certainly seems to be doing precisely that. Two of the links were not guardian and they covered people whod lost their jobs, under trump, because of free speech and there are plenty of others. That seemed to be the issue you were concerned about. For padilla, for instance,
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/12/california-sen-alex-padilla-handcuffed-at-noem-presser-00403253
which says pretty much what the guardian story does.

Why is woke culture the main deciding factor for you? Do you not perhaps think that economic, political and social policies, along with the huge implications to world peace and nuclear war that Trump in power has, are slightly more detrimental to the world than whatever this 'woke culture' you so despise is? What even is it? What is 'wrong with modern society'?
You also do realise a million people are already underwater due to climate change, and could you explain to me why climate change would be a 'scam'? Who would benefit - and what is causing thousands of species to become extinct, extremely fast rising temperatures, and the huge prevalence of extreme weather in today's society as compared to 250 years ago??
Why don't you just speak about how Trump has actually bettered the world? What has he done? Past the fact he is a sex offender, climate change denyer and already caused detrimental effects to the world economy, political situation and diplomatic situation, could you name one thing he has done which is actually good? Past 'wokeness' or 'DEI' - since you clearly have no idea what they are

Woke people claim to be kind but they're the nastiest most judgmental people I've ever met. They can't wait to throw the next person under the bus for saying something that's not politically correct.
Flooding happened in the 80s, it's nothing new.
I'm not saying I agree with everything Trump does. I'm saying the alternative would have been a lot worse.
Last time I looked the UK coastline was in the same place it was in the 80s. Just a bit of erosion.
As for woke culture and modern society when I think back to the things I used to say at work 20 years ago I'd never get away with it now. In fact I can't even give my honest opinion in the workplace now because it would put my job at risk. As for DEI, that's just anti-white racism.

Woke people claim to be kind but they're the nastiest most judgmental people I've ever met. They can't wait to throw the next person under the bus for saying something that's not politically correct.
Flooding happened in the 80s, it's nothing new.
I'm not saying I agree with everything Trump does. I'm saying the alternative would have been a lot worse.
Last time I looked the UK coastline was in the same place it was in the 80s. Just a bit of erosion.
As for woke culture and modern society when I think back to the things I used to say at work 20 years ago I'd never get away with it now. In fact I can't even give my honest opinion in the workplace now because it would put my job at risk. As for DEI, that's just anti-white racism.

In the last 40 years, the Norfolk coastline has eroded 400 metres, the Suffolk coastline 180, and Holderness 60. These are just examples. UK farming productivity could be hampered by 50% due to climate change. 1 in 6 UK species are at risk of extinction. 3000 people died from heatwave in 2022. Why is the 'coastline' the only thing you think climate change affects? I can bring more stats if you want, it's completely ludicrous of you to suggest otherwise.
So you not being able to 'get away with some things you could say 20 years ago' is an excuse for having Trump in power? You really can't think of a better argument? What is your honest opinion, please enlighten us with your knowledge..
You also conveniently ignored the main points of my argument - which is that the fact Trump's complete and utter hopelessness has already led the world to brink of war, destroyed the economy and caused thousands of innocent immigrants to be imprisoned and tortured. Oh, and also caused a complete attack on free speech.
DEI is not 'anti-white racism,' it is putting everyone on a fair playing field - there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. Due to the effects of slavery and the historical complete mistreatment from the US government of ethnic minorities, they are at a huge disadvantage.

On this side of the pond, there was the story today about a reform candidate expressing "free speech" about charles being a traitor and calls for islam to be eradicated from the uk.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mg4jx3mldo
She has been expelled / lost her job. Seems strange that youre claiming the woke people, whoever they are, are the nastiest and judgemental.

Woke people claim to be kind but they're the nastiest most judgmental people I've ever met. They can't wait to throw the next person under the bus for saying something that's not politically correct.
Flooding happened in the 80s, it's nothing new.
I'm not saying I agree with everything Trump does. I'm saying the alternative would have been a lot worse.
Last time I looked the UK coastline was in the same place it was in the 80s. Just a bit of erosion.
As for woke culture and modern society when I think back to the things I used to say at work 20 years ago I'd never get away with it now. In fact I can't even give my honest opinion in the workplace now because it would put my job at risk. As for DEI, that's just anti-white racism.

That is not a substantive definition of woke. That is just someone who has not developed emotional resilience the deal with someone being judgemental or saying mean things, which is an important skill that most of us learn as adults.
I actively quiz Trump supporters because I'd like to obtain some understanding of their thinking. Unfortunately I consistently find they are unable to articulate constructive evidence-based arguments to justify their positions. It does at least add some insight into why Trump supporters for his populist demagoguery.

Actually when I was younger I was probably quite woke, there was no such thing at the time. As I've got older I've learned that everybody is in it for themselves and you've got to look after yourself because nobody else will.

There's lies, damn lies and statistics. Norfolk used to be under water hundreds of years ago that's why it's so flat. I'm not going to worry about the coastline eroding a few metres in 40 years time. I'll most likely be dead by then anyway.
It was a lot more pleasant going into work and having the politically incorrect banter we used to have. I'm not saying Trump was the answer, I'm saying he was the only choice.
DEI is anti white racism. I have seen job adverts that clearly state that only people from minority groups will be considered for the job.
Reform shot themselves in the foot by booting out Rupert Lowe. People have their opinions and shouldn't lose their job over it.

Reform shot themselves in the foot by booting out Rupert Lowe. People have their opinions and shouldn't lose their job over it.

There's lies, damn lies and statistics. Norfolk used to be under water hundreds of years ago that's why it's so flat. I'm not going to worry about the coastline eroding a few metres in 40 years time. I'll most likely be dead by then anyway.
It was a lot more pleasant going into work and having the politically incorrect banter we used to have. I'm not saying Trump was the answer, I'm saying he was the only choice.
DEI is anti white racism. I have seen job adverts that clearly state that only people from minority groups will be considered for the job.
Reform shot themselves in the foot by booting out Rupert Lowe. People have their opinions and shouldn't lose their job over it.

I'm not saying Trump is the answer but you can only vote for who's standing. On one hand you had a candidate endorsed by countless woke celebrities who I despise and was just an extension of them really. On the other hand you had a candidate who upsets all these woke celebrities with everything he says. I know who I'd rather vote for.
I never trust anything the Guardian says, they represent everything that's wrong with modern society.
Back in the 80s we were told we'd all be under water by the year 2000. It never happened. All it's doing is making our lives more expensive and inconvenient.
Which leads me on to a huge positive about Trump is scrapping net zero targets. Another big positive is scrapping DEI.

Re. celebrities endorsement, I agree Kamala's campaign went all in on it and I found it super cringe and old fashion and out of touch with the working class. Her campaign seemed very performative. I think the campaign advisers did a pretty terrible and expensive job and lots of democrats supporters are frustrated with it. In the same time, Trump also associated himself with some cringe celebrities too. In principle I agree with Bernie Sanders view on how the campaign should have been conducted, more focused on the ordinary working class (60% of America lives paycheque to paycheque ) and how to make America work for them. I think that Kamala's campaign only skated over this.
I think that overall America's political class both Republicans and Democrats is in shambles and out of touch with the ordinary American. Lots of Americans haven't yet woken up from following the carrot on the stick fantasy.