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[Official] US announces new tariffs on most countries

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Reply 180

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by 2WheelGod
If a party doesn't make any firm promises about the specifics of policy they will employ to achieve their goals, you can't accuse them of dishonesty for doing something they never claimed they were not going to do.
Some consistency please.
On the other hand, Trump promised to bring prices down and end the war in Ukraine from day one. Yet you don't seem concerned about these explicit failures to make good on his promises.
Hmm 🤔

If a party doesn't make any firm promises of substance should it really be trusted with power?

The politician who is able to deliver on each and every campaign promise on day one is yet to be born. One must allow for a degree of rhetoric, provided that the policies are clear and that there are obvious steps being taken to implement them within a defined timescale.

On tariffs - as well as other "signature" issues - Mr Trump has moved with remarkable speed. His opponents would say he has been reckless. But, either way, he can hardly be accused of dragging his feet.

Reply 181

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by Supermature
Both of these statements are true.
But that does not alter the fact that the Government raised National Insurance, having stated in their manifesto that they would not. Thus they are in breach of a manifesto pledge.
Had they stated in the manifesto that they would not increase employee contributions then they would not be in breach of the pledge.

They said in a single sentence they would raise National Insurance on working people.

I dont think they said anything about National Insurance on companies, public bodies or 3rd sector organisations in their manesfesto.

Perhaps I missed it.

Reply 182

Original post
by Supermature
If a party doesn't make any firm promises of substance should it really be trusted with power?
The politician who is able to deliver on each and every campaign promise on day one is yet to be born. One must allow for a degree of rhetoric, provided that the policies are clear and that there are obvious steps being taken to implement them within a defined timescale.
On tariffs - as well as other "signature" issues - Mr Trump has moved with remarkable speed. His opponents would say he has been reckless. But, either way, he can hardly be accused of dragging his feet.

No party/body can be trusted with power.

Which is why one must observe and judge how they act before, during and after they take power.

Reply 183

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by Quady
So you're saying they've not put in place tariff higher than the US as of March and aren't going to increase them further?

No, I said European leaders had not behaved as if "international trade and commerce is a war that has to be won, regardless of the impact on other nations or a country's own economy and workforce".

Did you buy a job lot of straw men in a bankruptcy sale, or something?

Reply 184

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by Quady
So the UK does not have a trade deficit?

Careful, that bumper box of straw men won't last forever.

Reply 185

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by Wired_1800
:lol: Clever sleight of hand, but glad the evidence is on the thread.

Indeed it is. 😉

Reply 186

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by 2WheelGod
Indeed it is. 😉

:wink:

Reply 187

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by Wired_1800
It definitely is shaking up the world economic order. Countries are waking up from their slumber after years of cheating the US.
I would have supported a comprehensive review by Starmer but we know he is not that type of guy.

Oh yes, Lesotho has been cheating the US for years.
Poor ickle merika!
🤣

Reply 188

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by Supermature
We were discussing his aims, not whether he has yet been able to achieve them.
But you are essentially correct. What makes America great depends on which side of the political fence you stand on.

You have made a big argument about how bad it is to not make good on your promises in the early days of a government.
I guess that only applies to Labour, not to Trump. 🤔

Reply 189

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by 2WheelGod
Oh yes, Lesotho has been cheating the US for years.
Poor ickle merika!
🤣

:lol: Good one

Reply 190

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by Supermature
Read what I put in my comment. I am not defending that statement. I suggested that it was reprehensible. But so was the behaviour of Bill Clinton and JFK, much as I admired the political acumen of the latter.
That said, I have heard far worse in my time.
To suggest that Donald Trump is the only male politician in the history of the United States who ever talked that way flies in the face of what we know about human nature.

Ok. Please link to those quotes by other presidents that are as "reprehensible" as "I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

And there's the little matter of being a fraudster, sex attacker and adjudged rapist. How many other presidents does that apply to?

"I'm not defending Trump's behaviour, but..."
😂

Reply 191

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by Supermature
If a party doesn't make any firm promises of substance should it really be trusted with power?
The politician who is able to deliver on each and every campaign promise on day one is yet to be born. One must allow for a degree of rhetoric, provided that the policies are clear and that there are obvious steps being taken to implement them within a defined timescale.
On tariffs - as well as other "signature" issues - Mr Trump has moved with remarkable speed. His opponents would say he has been reckless. But, either way, he can hardly be accused of dragging his feet.

So to accept that it is not always possible to make hard promises before being in power is bad, but making wild and unrealistic promises only to break them is ok?
To any rational thinker, the former seems more honest and sensible than the latter.

Reply 192

European markets hold on to early gains and major Asian markets recover slightly following days of losses in the wake of Donald Trump's tariffs

The UK's FTSE 100 opens 1% up, with France's Cac 40 index up 1.8% and Germany's Dax opening 1.3% higher

China says it will "fight to the end" after Trump threatened to hit Beijing with an extra 50% tariff if it doesn't withdraw its retaliatory levy on Tuesday

Beijing's commerce ministry accuses the Trump administration of blackmail and says his tariffs are "a typical unilateral bullying practice"

The new tariffs could leave some US companies bringing in certain goods from China facing a 104% tax - here's a timeline of how the tit-for-tat tariffs have unfolded

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp8vyy35g3mt

Reply 193

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by 2WheelGod
You have made a big argument about how bad it is to not make good on your promises in the early days of a government.
I guess that only applies to Labour, not to Trump. 🤔

This is not the place to discuss the policies of the UK Labour Party, except to reiterate that you are attempting to draw a false comparison between two entirely different sets of circumstances. There are other threads dedicated to the policies and performance of the UK Government.

However, I am constrained to point out that you have - once again - either misunderstood or attempted to misrepresent what I wrote. My exact words were: "One must allow for a degree of rhetoric, provided that the policies are clear and that there are obvious steps being taken to implement them within a defined timescale." (Reply 180)

This thread is about President Trump's tariffs. He was abundantly clear before, during and after the election campaign about his intention to impose tariffs as and when he deemed it appropriate to do so. And so he has, within the first three months of taking office. I think most people, regardless of their opinion on the policy itself, would judge that to be an administration delivering on its election promises.

Reply 194

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by Wired_1800
European markets hold on to early gains and major Asian markets recover slightly following days of losses in the wake of Donald Trump's tariffs
The UK's FTSE 100 opens 1% up, with France's Cac 40 index up 1.8% and Germany's Dax opening 1.3% higher
China says it will "fight to the end" after Trump threatened to hit Beijing with an extra 50% tariff if it doesn't withdraw its retaliatory levy on Tuesday
Beijing's commerce ministry accuses the Trump administration of blackmail and says his tariffs are "a typical unilateral bullying practice"
The new tariffs could leave some US companies bringing in certain goods from China facing a 104% tax - here's a timeline of how the tit-for-tat tariffs have unfolded
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp8vyy35g3mt

What we are now seeing are various nations, businesses and individuals scrambling to gain advantage over each other in a new economic order where the rules of the game have fundamentally changed. Meanwhile, speculators are having a field day, as they always do in times of market turbulence.

The emerging consensus, as former Conservative Chancellor Lord Lamont commented on a BBC radio broadcast yesterday, is that in future there will likely be "shorter supply chains" and more "regional" trade.

As I have been at pains to point out, an appreciation of the rationale behind the tariff policy is not confined to the hard-right, as so many of President Trump's opponents are inclined to believe. I noted another excellent Guardian article, written by Dr James Meadway of the Progressive Economy Forum, no ally of the Trump administration.

Here’s one key thing you should know about Trump’s shock to the world economy: it could work

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/07/donald-trump-world-economy-shock-us

"Perhaps the rolling market chaos will become too much. Perhaps the administration will blink first. There is no guarantee this extraordinary gamble will work, not even for those in the clique around Trump. But it would be a mistake to assume it cannot work and however the pieces now land, they will not return to their old places."

Reply 195

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by Supermature
This is not the place to discuss the policies of the UK Labour Party, except to reiterate that you are attempting to draw a false comparison between two entirely different sets of circumstances. There are other threads dedicated to the policies and performance of the UK Government.
However, I am constrained to point out that you have - once again - either misunderstood or attempted to misrepresent what I wrote. My exact words were: "One must allow for a degree of rhetoric, provided that the policies are clear and that there are obvious steps being taken to implement them within a defined timescale." (Reply 180)
This thread is about President Trump's tariffs. He was abundantly clear before, during and after the election campaign about his intention to impose tariffs as and when he deemed it appropriate to do so. And so he has, within the first three months of taking office. I think most people, regardless of their opinion on the policy itself, would judge that to be an administration delivering on its election promises.

Sorry, but you can't make one argument in one thread, then take the opposite position in another.
Some consistency please.

Reply 196

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by Supermature
What we are now seeing are various nations, businesses and individuals scrambling to gain advantage over each other in a new economic order where the rules of the game have fundamentally changed. Meanwhile, speculators are having a field day, as they always do in times of market turbulence.
The emerging consensus, as former Conservative Chancellor Lord Lamont commented on a BBC radio broadcast yesterday, is that in future there will likely be "shorter supply chains" and more "regional" trade.
As I have been at pains to point out, an appreciation of the rationale behind the tariff policy is not confined to the hard-right, as so many of President Trump's opponents are inclined to believe. I noted another excellent Guardian article, written by Dr James Meadway of the Progressive Economy Forum, no ally of the Trump administration.
Here’s one key thing you should know about Trump’s shock to the world economy: it could work
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/07/donald-trump-world-economy-shock-us
"Perhaps the rolling market chaos will become too much. Perhaps the administration will blink first. There is no guarantee this extraordinary gamble will work, not even for those in the clique around Trump. But it would be a mistake to assume it cannot work and however the pieces now land, they will not return to their old places."

I agree with your position.

I think one point that was mentioned to me is the own goal committed by some of the investors who reacted emotionally to dump some key stocks, only for them to be picked up by other investors for cheap.

If I had a broker who dumped key stocks during this time, he would have his P45 in the post by the end of the week.

Reply 197

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by 2WheelGod
Ok. Please link to those quotes by other presidents that are as "reprehensible" as "I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."
And there's the little matter of being a fraudster, sex attacker and adjudged rapist. How many other presidents does that apply to?
"I'm not defending Trump's behaviour, but..."
😂

Other presidents that are reprehensible?

The specific quote, first paraphrased by another contributor to this thread and upon which you have just elaborated, has been attributed to Donald Trump.

But it is manifestly obvious that Mr Trump is not the only US President that has been involved in scandalous behaviour of one kind or another, nor is he the only male on the planet who has used such objectionable language in an unguarded moment.

It is questionable, for example, whether anything Mr Tump has done in his personal life is really worse than many of the antics we associate with Bill Clinton.

Mr Trump's indiscretions, in contrast to those of his predecessors, have been greatly magnified by virtue of his having been in the public eye in the era of the Internet and social media and this has enabled his enemies and opponents to portray him as a monster. Unfortunately for them, their endeavours failed to gain traction with the majority of American voters.

Reply 198

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by 2WheelGod
Sorry, but you can't make one argument in one thread, then take the opposite position in another.
Some consistency please.

I can, and I do, because the circumstances are entirely different.

Put simply, the Trump administration made pledges on tariffs which are now being implemented. My critique of the UK Labour Party is that it (like the Conservative Party) intentionally hid from the electorate the unpalatable choices that it would need to make once in office, then compounded that dishonesty by making the wrong choices.

I could elaborate further but that would be to risk derailing this thread.

Reply 199

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by Supermature
I can, and I do, because the circumstances are entirely different.
Put simply, the Trump administration made pledges on tariffs which are now being implemented. My critique of the UK Labour Party is that it (like the Conservative Party) intentionally hid from the electorate the unpalatable choices that it would need to make once in office, then compounded that dishonesty by making the wrong choices.
I could elaborate further but that would be to risk derailing this thread.

Of course the circumstances are different.
One concerns Labour, who you seem to need to attack.
The other concerns Trump, who you seem to need to defend.

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