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hi, please could i have some help on this? I'm not sure how they got 1-2sin theta from 4 sin theta cos theta?
question: https://ibb.co/QjfkP4sp
thanks!

Reply 1

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by anonymous56754
hi, please could i have some help on this? I'm not sure how they got 1-2sin theta from 4 sin theta cos theta?
question: https://ibb.co/QjfkP4sp
thanks!

they've squared 2sinT + cosT = 1 (T = "theta") then in the term 4sinTcosT they've just replaced cosT = 1 - 2sinT from the original equation.

Reply 2

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by davros
they've squared 2sinT + cosT = 1 (T = "theta") then in the term 4sinTcosT they've just replaced cosT = 1 - 2sinT from the original equation.

ohhh ok i see. I also squared it and got tot hat stage but i didn't substitue cos theta. Instead, I kept it like that, factorised sin theta out and solved it but got 4 solutions. I then subbed them back in and two didn't work so I eliminated two and got the same answers. Would I still get the marks?
Thanks!

Reply 3

Just as an aside, you could also go with half angles, especially with the 1 on the right as that cancels with part of the half angle for cos(T)
2sin(T) + cos(T) = 1
4sin(T/2)cos(T/2) - 2sin^2(T/2) = 0
sin(T/2)(2cos(T/2) - sin(T/2)) = 0
so
sin(T/2) = 0
or
tan(T/2) = 2

But if youd squared stuff up and rejected a couple of the answers, that should be ok, though squaring equations isnt usually the way to go because of the extraneous solns. The usual way to do cos(x)+sin(x) is the harmonic identity, though in this case the half angle is maybe slightly simpler.

Reply 4

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by mqb2766
Just as an aside, you could also go with half angles, especially with the 1 on the right as that cancels with part of the half angle for cos(T)
2sin(T) + cos(T) = 1
4sin(T/2)cos(T/2) - 2sin^2(T/2) = 0
sin(T/2)(2cos(T/2) - sin(T/2)) = 0
so
sin(T/2) = 0
or
tan(T/2) = 2
But if youd squared stuff up and rejected a couple of the answers, that should be ok, though squaring equations isnt usually the way to go because of the extraneous solns. The usual way to do cos(x)+sin(x) is the harmonic identity

I tried the double angle and got 0 but im not sure how they got 2.21 using it? 0+pi is just pi but that wouldn't work? Thanks!

Reply 5

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by anonymous56754
I tried the double angle and got 0 but im not sure how they got 2.21 using it? 0+pi is just pi but that wouldn't work? Thanks!

What did you try? Youd only use double angles if you had a product or square of "normal" trig terms.

Reply 6

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by mqb2766
What did you try? Youd only use double angles if you had a product or square of "normal" trig terms.

sorry not double angles, the simple harmonic formula. I got root 5 sin(theta+0.4636)=1 and solved for theta=0 but not sure where 2.21 comes from?
Also, another question I had was how did you recognise that it could be written as in simple harmonic form, is there a trick?
thanks!

Reply 7

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by anonymous56754
sorry not double angles, the simple harmonic formula. I got root 5 sin(theta+0.4636)=1 and solved for theta=0 but not sure where 2.21 comes from?
Also, another question I had was how did you recognise that it could be written as in simple harmonic form, is there a trick?
thanks!

When you solve
sin(theta+0.46) = 1/sqrt(5)
you should get two solutions on 0 to 2pi?

Asin(x) + Bcos(x)
can be written in harmonic form using the angle addition identity (you could work back from the ans?). So the trig args are the same "x" and you have the addition of sin() and cos() (scaled by A and B). It should be in your textbook?

Reply 8

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by mqb2766
When you solve
sin(theta+0.46) = 1/sqrt(5)
you should get two solutions on 0 to 2pi?
Asin(x) + Bcos(x)
can be written in harmonic form using the angle addition identity (you could work back from the ans?). So the trig args are the same "x" and you have the addition of sin() and cos() (scaled by A and B). It should be in your textbook?

The first solution I got when I solved it was 0 then adding pi gives pi but that is invalid because it doesn't work when I sub it back in

Reply 9

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by anonymous56754
The first solution I got when I solved it was 0 then adding pi gives pi but that is invalid because it doesn't work when I sub it back in

sin(theta+0.46) = 1/sqrt(5)
so cast, trig curves, .... give
theta + 0.46 = arcsin(1/sqrt(5)) and pi-arcsin(1/sqrt(5))
....

Reply 10

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by mqb2766
sin(theta+0.46) = 1/sqrt(5)
so cast, trig curves, .... give
theta + 0.46 = arcsin(1/sqrt(5)) and pi-arcsin(1/sqrt(5))
....

Yes, solving what you have written gives 0 and pi but not 2.21, as indicated on the ms

Reply 11

Original post
by anonymous56754
Yes, solving what you have written gives 0 and pi but not 2.21, as indicated on the ms

theta + 0.46 = pi - 0.46
theta = 2.2
Original post
by davros
they've squared 2sinT + cosT = 1 (T = "theta") then in the term 4sinTcosT they've just replaced cosT = 1 - 2sinT from the original equation.


Now it makes sense. I already wondered why the term was changed in that way. So the original equation was converted:

2 sinT + cosT = 1 => cosT = 1 - 2 sinT

and then replaced as you explained.

Sometimes I am unable to see the wood for the trees.
(edited 8 months ago)

Reply 13

Basically
T=theta (fyi)

T+0.4636..=arcsin(1/root5)
T+0.4636= 0.4636, pi-0.4636(=2.6779)
T=0.4636-0.4636, 2.6779-0.4636

Therefore, T=0, T=2.21



Original post
by anonymous56754
Yes, solving what you have written gives 0 and pi but not 2.21, as indicated on the ms

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