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Would you want to marry the person you're currently dating?

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Reply 20

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by Rakas21
Tell him if he proposes you'll agree to a pre nup so long there's an inedelity clause

if he wanted to he would've done it a long time ago, lol. his endgame is to probably discard me once he gets bored and get with a woman instead because he wants to have kids.

Reply 21

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by Ciel.
if he wanted to he would've done it a long time ago, lol. his endgame is to probably discard me once he gets bored and get with a woman instead because he wants to have kids.

Isn't that a better reason to offer the carrot I described and tie him down. Even offer to adopt.

Reply 22

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by Rakas21
Isn't that a better reason to offer the carrot I described and tie him down. Even offer to adopt.

eh, i'm not gonna force it, it's his decision if he doesn't wanna get married. and i don't want to be a parent, like ever tbh. i can barely take care of myself when my mental health gets bad, so i would defo just neglect it. if i'm honest, he'd make a pretty awful parent tbh... unless he can find a way to fix his drinking habits and anger issues

Reply 23

Absolutely not

Reply 24

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by Rakas21
Assuming they were poor, no. Obviously a celeb is rich enough that divorce would favour me were it to happen.

Presumably if you were to marry a woman who had more pre marital assets/wealth than you, you wouldn't have any issue signing a pre nuptial to protect her assets either?

I will say that the law relating to financial remedy cases (which covers divorce and financial support for children) is not quite as straightforward as many think it is in this thread. Pre nuptial agreements are not automatically binding, though the court will have regard to them, and even without one pre marital assets will often largely be protected in a shorter marriage. It's in a longer marriage and assets become intertwined that you'll struggle to separate them out, but even then it's possible to do so in the case of non marital assets like inheritance which has been kept separate from marital assets. Frankly, a lot of the issues that arise in financial remedy cases come from the inability of one or both parties to acknowledge the contribution that the other has made to the relationship and overall marital assets. An obvious example of that is men not acknowledging the contribution of women in raising children, but by no means is that always the case.

Anyway, I have been married (happily, fortunately) for quite a long time by the standards of most people on this site, so I think the answer should probably be yes.

Reply 25

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by Ciel.
eh, i'm not gonna force it, it's his decision if he doesn't wanna get married. and i don't want to be a parent, like ever tbh. i can barely take care of myself when my mental health gets bad, so i would defo just neglect it. if i'm honest, he'd make a pretty awful parent tbh... unless he can find a way to fix his drinking habits and anger issues

If he’s angry and drunk, why would you wish to stay with him at all?

Reply 26

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by Rakas21
If he’s angry and drunk, why would you wish to stay with him at all?

he treats me really well when he's sober. and i have plenty of faults myself.

Reply 27

Well this thread was all a bit more cynical and depressing than I expected.

Anyway I'm still deciding if I would want to marry my boyfriend. It's only been like 4-5 months, I don't think I know him well enough yet. Also I'm just not sure about the whole institution of marriage. Not for financial/prenup reasons but because I like the idea of waking up every day and deliberately choosing to be with my partner rather than feeling like it's my only choice, you know?

Reply 28

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by Crazy Jamie
Presumably if you were to marry a woman who had more pre marital assets/wealth than you, you wouldn't have any issue signing a pre nuptial to protect her assets either?
I will say that the law relating to financial remedy cases (which covers divorce and financial support for children) is not quite as straightforward as many think it is in this thread. Pre nuptial agreements are not automatically binding, though the court will have regard to them, and even without one pre marital assets will often largely be protected in a shorter marriage. It's in a longer marriage and assets become intertwined that you'll struggle to separate them out, but even then it's possible to do so in the case of non marital assets like inheritance which has been kept separate from marital assets. Frankly, a lot of the issues that arise in financial remedy cases come from the inability of one or both parties to acknowledge the contribution that the other has made to the relationship and overall marital assets. An obvious example of that is men not acknowledging the contribution of women in raising children, but by no means is that always the case.
Anyway, I have been married (happily, fortunately) for quite a long time by the standards of most people on this site, so I think the answer should probably be yes.

While it would be in my interest not to, I actually believe in marriage and so yes I would sign it. I’d actually want one with an infidelity clause regardless of her income.

While I do agree that there’s an argument around lost earnings for raising children I still think this is a gynocentric view since it looks upon being a non-working mother as a liability rather than a privilege. I also think it ignores the choice aspect of a woman choosing to rear children and depend on her husband since under current law, it’s not reasonable to suggest she was forced or coerced.

I should say that while I’d want a pretty hard pre nup i do think one should be reasonable. Infidelity should be financially crushing in response but if one just wanted a divorce for unhappiness ect.. then I’d be open to a defined payoff. So I’d say infidelity should be a 90% loss of the assets but a divorce request for other reasons should only be 75% (enough not to be a likely financial incentive but enough that she’d have a house deposit and car money).
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by anosmianAcrimony
Well this thread was all a bit more cynical and depressing than I expected.
Anyway I'm still deciding if I would want to marry my boyfriend. It's only been like 4-5 months, I don't think I know him well enough yet. Also I'm just not sure about the whole institution of marriage. Not for financial/prenup reasons but because I like the idea of waking up every day and deliberately choosing to be with my partner rather than feeling like it's my only choice, you know?


That makes a lot of sense to me. And yes I did not expect us to get into prenup territory either :hmmmm2:

Reply 30

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by Rakas21
While it would be in my interest not to, I actually believe in marriage and so yes I would sign it. I’d actually want one with an infidelity clause regardless of her income.

Just as an FYI, if you want an infidelity clause that's enforceable you're likely going to need to plan to move to the US at some point. Not only was no fault divorce recently introduced in this country, which means individuals don't need a reason in the eyes of the law to ask for a divorce, but it's been a much longer established principle that conduct is not taken into consideration in financial remedy cases in this country save for in exceptional circumstances. And suffice to say, adultery is virtually never going to be an exceptional circumstance. Just so you can make plans, depending on how important this is to you of course.

While I do agree that there’s an argument around lost earnings for raising children I still think this is a gynocentric view since it looks upon being a non-working mother as a liability rather than a privilege. I also think it ignores the choice aspect of a woman choosing to rear children and depend on her husband since under current law, it’s not reasonable to suggest she was forced or coerced.


It's not about liability or privilege. It's about contribution to the marriage, and recognising that taking time to raise children is as valuable an endeavour for the purposes of the marriage as earning money. Though I take it that's not something you agree with?

Reply 31

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by Crazy Jamie
Just as an FYI, if you want an infidelity clause that's enforceable you're likely going to need to plan to move to the US at some point. Not only was no fault divorce recently introduced in this country, which means individuals don't need a reason in the eyes of the law to ask for a divorce, but it's been a much longer established principle that conduct is not taken into consideration in financial remedy cases in this country save for in exceptional circumstances. And suffice to say, adultery is virtually never going to be an exceptional circumstance. Just so you can make plans, depending on how important this is to you of course.
It's not about liability or privilege. It's about contribution to the marriage, and recognising that taking time to raise children is as valuable an endeavour for the purposes of the marriage as earning money. Though I take it that's not something you agree with?

Thanks for that information, it’s surprising and disappointing. Could an adultery clause not be enforceable separate to the divorce. I.e. the divorce might be awarded 50/50 but you can essentially view the infidelity clause as its own contract so you get the 40% awarded back that way.

I agree there’s value to being a mother but if she’s initiating a divorce then the question is to what degree we should accommodate that without becoming a financial incentive. Beyond having defined terms in a pre nup, I’m struggling to see a solution otherwise lovely mother or not, you are financially punishing a man who in many cases did not want to end the marriage given that men initiate divorce far less than women.

Reply 32

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by 04MR17
That makes a lot of sense to me. And yes I did not expect us to get into prenup territory either :hmmmm2:

In the modern age of high divorce rates the question of a pre nup and its terms is paramount for either spouse when considering marriage. As much as I’d like to meet a woman and have full confidence in our everlasting happiness together, that is statistically naive.

The alternative of course is that the state steps back and simply no longer recognises marriage meaning that you’d still marry but it would simply be a civil affair (though this is not something I favour).
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Reply 33

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by Rakas21
Thanks for that information, it’s surprising and disappointing. Could an adultery clause not be enforceable separate to the divorce. I.e. the divorce might be awarded 50/50 but you can essentially view the infidelity clause as its own contract so you get the 40% awarded back that way.

I'm not aware of anyone having attempted that in this country, but I highly doubt it would be found to be enforceable in the county court. Putting my contract law hat on, there are two obvious problems. The first is that contracts require consideration, otherwise known as the 'price of the promise'. Broadly, you need to exchange something for something else. I'm not sure what the consideration would be here, as it's essentially a promise that either of you will be penalised in future if you do a certain thing. Legally I'm not sure that's surmountable. But the bigger issue is that penalty clauses in this country are not enforceable. Adultery, in and of itself, does not cause loss. So a clause that said that on committing adultery the guilty party would forfeit a percentage of the marital assets that they would otherwise be entitled to in financial remedy is almost certainly going to be a penalty clause. I can't immediately see how it wouldn't be. So it's a novel idea, but I can't see it working in the county court in this country.
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by 04MR17
Could you see yourself tying the knot with your current significant other?

Fine if the answer is no, some things aren't as serious especially if it's early days in your relationship.

Equally, it could be that you both don't want to follow the tradition/concept of marriage

What do you think?

Can you imagine getting married to your significant other?

Or are things not quite there yet?

I'm interested to hear what people say


It is silly to marry someone I just met. If I am in a deep, long and trustful relationship with the person I dated, it is imaginable. Being married is both a sign of each others love and trust, at least it should be.

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