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    (Original post by bratcat)
    Um...what 'hard-earned taxes' would those be then?
    Curses... badly worded...
    What I mean is that my hard earned WAGES get taxed to pay for them to feed their habits. Whoops...
    [EDIT] I pay NI and Income tax (for some reason :mad: ... must remember to chase up the Inland Revenue...)
    I'm a first year uni student.
    [EDIT] plus we all pay VAT and duties on petrol, ciggies and alcohol that we consume.
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    I heard it for the first time just before christmas and since then i swear i've heard it everyday since. Traveled like the SARS virus.
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    (Original post by tommyknockers)
    I heard it for the first time just before christmas and since then i swear i've heard it everyday since. Traveled like the SARS virus.
    You only hear it more because EVERYONE is increasingly using the same word to describe them. Before it was ruled by regional dialect. Now its all becoming standardised and homogenised... rather like Euro-codes taking over all of our British Standards.... :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by ClosetGinger)
    It's such a snobby word, used by middle-class media types to describe the "under class". How unfair is it that people are categorised in this way based on their social status? Maybe i'm the only one who feels this way but hey just needed to let it out
    There's nothing socially unjust about it. Being a chav is more about acting like a gay ****** than being part of the lower class.
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    we were dicussing this in form, as its a scottish term taken into the english language, i thought it was seriously just a dilect...

    however, up here, it doesnt referrer to "lower" classes, it refferres to people who are chavs! your very stereotypical to assume all "lower" class people are chavish. chav just means to us, sitting getting laid behind the bins at kfc, wearing burberry to excess, fake giant gold jewlery, and buckfast... not being stereotypical myself.
    basically it just refferres to a group of people that dont take the time to understand others, and assume if your not a chav your a gorfic....as the dilect and unintellegence states.

    i know its goth, not gorf....

    trada.
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    I am.

    Only cos i dont know what it means.

    Yes some people might say im not with it cos i dont.
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    (Original post by M-J)
    we were dicussing this in form, as its a scottish term taken into the english language, i thought it was seriously just a dilect...

    however, up here, it doesnt referrer to "lower" classes, it refferres to people who are chavs! your very stereotypical to assume all "lower" class people are chavish. chav just means to us, sitting getting laid behind the bins at kfc, wearing burberry to excess, fake giant gold jewlery, and buckfast... not being stereotypical myself.
    basically it just refferres to a group of people that dont take the time to understand others, and assume if your not a chav your a gorfic....as the dilect and unintellegence states.

    i know its goth, not gorf....

    trada.
    Do you take the time to understand 'them'?

    I have to say though I've never seen anyone dressed in Burberry, having sex 'behind the bins at K.F.C.' However, I don't generally frequent 'the bins at K.F.C.' But hey, whatever floats your boat.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Curses... badly worded...
    What I mean is that my hard earned WAGES get taxed to pay for them to feed their habits. Whoops...
    [EDIT] I pay NI and Income tax (for some reason :mad: ... must remember to chase up the Inland Revenue...)
    I'm a first year uni student.
    [EDIT] plus we all pay VAT and duties on petrol, ciggies and alcohol that we consume.
    Yeah, I was just thinking that I didn't pay much tax & N.I. insurance when I was in 6th form and in my first year as an undergraduate. Mind you, I did a lot of baysitting to earn money, thus participating in the evil chain of government tax evasion (facilitated, I might add, by upstanding members of the community such as doctors, nurses, social workers etc). Someone at the hospital in which my mum worked woud say, 'I'm going out tonight and I need someone to look after my brats'. And my mother would volunteer me.

    A bit dodgy when you look back on it.
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    (Original post by bratcat)
    Yeah, I was just thinking that I didn't pay much tax & N.I. insurance when I was in 6th form and in my first year as an undergraduate. Mind you, I did a lot of baysitting to earn money, thus participating in the evil chain of government tax evasion (facilitated, I might add, by upstanding members of the community such as doctors, nurses, social workers etc). Someone at the hospital in which my mum worked woud say, 'I'm going out tonight and I need someone to look after my brats'. And my mother would volunteer me.

    A bit dodgy when you look back on it.
    Hehe it is a bit dodgy to be honest... but its casual work, I'm sure the IR wouldn't come door-a-knocking with a bill for probably £3.17 in tax you should have declared. You could argue that you Don't earn enough to pay income tax and that you have no fixed employer so it wouldn't be possible to pay NI if they did come round demanding the money. Whats ironic is that they probably would actually send round bailiffs to collect the money, at an administrative cost of hundreds to collect a couple of quid. :rolleyes:
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    ah i didnt say it all happens at the same time, was just a comical generalisation.
    however i dont cause fights or etc with chavs, whereas they do all that "you looking at me" crap.....

    i was only inferring that the majority i have came across only wish to associate with each other.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Hehe it is a bit dodgy to be honest... but its casual work, I'm sure the IR wouldn't come door-a-knocking with a bill for probably £3.17 in tax you should have declared. You could argue that you Don't earn enough to pay income tax and that you have no fixed employer so it wouldn't be possible to pay NI if they did come round demanding the money. Whats ironic is that they probably would actually send round bailiffs to collect the money, at an administrative cost of hundreds to collect a couple of quid. :rolleyes:
    Dodgy in more ways than one though...I mean the way in which healthcare professionals were prepared to entrust the care of their children to a 17 year old young woman they'd never even met. Quite a cushy number though. Mostly the children would be in bed so I'd watch their TV, raid their fridge, listen to their CDs and then go off home. It wasn't really worthy of the label 'work'.

    Ah, those were the days!
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    (Original post by M-J)
    ah i didnt say it all happens at the same time, was just a comical generalisation.
    however i dont cause fights or etc with chavs, whereas they do all that "you looking at me" crap.....

    i was only inferring that the majority i have came across only wish to associate with each other.
    Your post sparked off this vision in my head of an urban David Attenborough hiding behind K.F.C. bins waiting for nightfall when 'Burberry-Clad Chavs' would emerge from the undergrowth and begin fornicating with one another
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    If the definition of a chav is, as some people seem to think, not based around violence, but more around culture, music, fashion sense and lifestyle, then I think people have every right to disagree with it. This is putting people into social pidgeon holes, and I don't think it is right to do so.
    Around where I live, this is the accepted definition. It is a mere generic insult to people who listen to rap etc. and dress in a particular way. These people are often subjected to unfair treatment as society seems to blame them for anything. I sometimes wonder why their personal traits are assumed via their clothes and musical tastes.

    It's a different story when these people are merely trouble makers, but I believe these could be better described by other words. I certainly feel intimidated when I walk past a bunch of half witted retrogrades who are downing white lightning in the park. I don't trust them to be civilised. I don't trust them at all.

    Perhaps even this is societies fault though. I doubt that there is a chav gene, so I assume it will be mainly down to upbringing. Why do people consider this to be a good route to go down? Perhaps they are merely bitter about their lack of intelligence and subsequent inability to express themselves in more sociable ways. I don't know. I'm mostly mumbling now so it's probably best if I stop.
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    (Original post by ThePenguinMafia)
    If the definition of a chav is, as some people seem to think, not based around violence, but more around culture, music, fashion sense and lifestyle, then I think people have every right to disagree with it. This is putting people into social pidgeon holes, and I don't think it is right to do so.
    Around where I live, this is the accepted definition. It is a mere generic insult to people who listen to rap etc. and dress in a particular way. These people are often subjected to unfair treatment as society seems to blame them for anything. I sometimes wonder why their personal traits are assumed via their clothes and musical tastes.

    It's a different story when these people are merely trouble makers, but I believe these could be better described by other words. I certainly feel intimidated when I walk past a bunch of half witted retrogrades who are downing white lightning in the park. I don't trust them to be civilised. I don't trust them at all.

    Perhaps even this is societies fault though. I doubt that there is a chav gene, so I assume it will be mainly down to upbringing. Why do people consider this to be a good route to go down? Perhaps they are merely bitter about their lack of intelligence and subsequent inability to express themselves in more sociable ways. I don't know. I'm mostly mumbling now so it's probably best if I stop.
    The thing is though that there is no denying the two go together. I don't care what anyone wears, what accent they speak with or what their family background is. But over and over again you see the same type of people in town downing vast amounts of drink, smoking, swearing at people, messing up public property, chucking stones at cars, intimidating everyone, etc etc. These people are the very lowest form of life and don't deserve any attempts by others to justify their actions. No-one has to do that, it's a choice and a very bad choice at that. These people have become known as chavs, townies, neds - whatever you want to call them. It's not about labelling, snobbishness or anything even along those lines.
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    (Original post by bratcat)
    Your post sparked off this vision in my head of an urban David Attenborough hiding behind K.F.C. bins waiting for nightfall when 'Burberry-Clad Chavs' would emerge from the undergrowth and begin fornicating with one another
    heheh regular city dwelling david attenbourgh hiding behind bins, uncovering vairous phenominons...... :rolleyes:
    found my future career......wonder as an observation, how long it will be until there is chav porn (heheheh dont bad rep me for saying that, it was JUST a point!)

    i dont get social grouping, none of my friends or me fit into any group. i dont get the chav revolution either, burberry, no class, little morals, many teenage pregnancys, and buckfast. cant get more stereotypical than that, havent met anyone that obviously chav like. the only thing i really really dislike about the chav culture is the giant hooped earings that look like they streach thier ear lobes, and the fake giant gold clown things dangling from thier necks
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    (Original post by englishstudent)
    The thing is though that there is no denying the two go together. I don't care what anyone wears, what accent they speak with or what their family background is. But over and over again you see the same type of people in town downing vast amounts of drink, smoking, swearing at people, messing up public property, chucking stones at cars, intimidating everyone, etc etc. These people are the very lowest form of life and don't deserve any attempts by others to justify their actions. No-one has to do that, it's a choice and a very bad choice at that. These people have become known as chavs, townies, neds - whatever you want to call them. It's not about labelling, snobbishness or anything even along those lines.
    I, unlike many, haven't mentioned snobbishness at all. I'm not getting at people for disliking those sorts, as I also feel intimidated and sometimes scared when I walk past them.
    In all honesty, I don't understand why you quoted me.
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    (Original post by ThePenguinMafia)
    I, unlike many, haven't mentioned snobbishness at all. I'm not getting at people for disliking those sorts, as I also feel intimidated and sometimes scared when I walk past them.
    In all honesty, I don't understand why you quoted me.
    I wasn't disagreeing with you just saying that Chav to me is less to do with fashion etc than behaviour. I think that's perhaps the root of the discussion. People shouldn't be judged for what they wear but for what they do but I was just pointing out that there does seem to be correlation between dress and behaviour. I wasn't criticising you and the main reason I quoted you was to follow on from what you were saying.
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    I live on an estate, and I have never ever been described as a chav. However every single person who lives here (apart from me) have almost identical behaviour, fashion sense and music taste. I am yet to find a person living on this estate who goes against the grain. A far I am concerned people can dress how they want, but I have a right to be unimpressed by people who dress just like everyone else to give themselves some sort of hardcore group identitiy which serves to mask their own insecurities. On estates, kids all go to the same school and are brought up in the same culture - day in, day out. I'm sorry, but I can't have respect for anyone who has no ambition to break free from anti social behaviour. You can call me a snob if you want, but it has nothing to do with snobbery, it's to do with the violence and vandalism against families like my own because I haven't made the same life choice as the 'chavs'. I'm sick of always being on the phone to the police......
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    (Original post by englishstudent)
    I wasn't disagreeing with you just saying that Chav to me is less to do with fashion etc than behaviour. I think that's perhaps the root of the discussion. People shouldn't be judged for what they wear but for what they do but I was just pointing out that there does seem to be correlation between dress and behaviour. I wasn't criticising you and the main reason I quoted you was to follow on from what you were saying.
    Fair enough. I'm just used to people quoting me in order to argue.
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    (Original post by ClosetGinger)
    It's such a snobby word, used by middle-class media types to describe the "under class". How unfair is it that people are categorised in this way based on their social status? Maybe i'm the only one who feels this way but hey just needed to let it out

    I could insult chavs all day, but Ive got better things to do. THey are scum of the earth across the country, as evidenced by the fact that EVERYBODY knows who they are.

    note: is evidenced a real word?
 
 
 
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