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Epilepsy and Equality Act and PCEP

Hello,

I have made an application to join my local police force through the police constable entry program. In my application I stated I suffer from Epilepsy, I stated the reasonable adjustments that I may require in flexible shifts and shifts finishing no later than 12am, and that whilst I will do everything I can to get a manual driving licence provided the co-operation and stating I have Epilepsy would not be a barrier to joining my local police force as I want to become a police officer. I spoke to local police officers who said to contact recruitment and HR, I put forward an application as they said you never know if you never try. How does the Equality Act protect this please?

Reply 1

Hi, I had a colleague in a similar position. Can you look up the policy for your area police? Eg this is Essex
https://www.essex.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/essex/careers/careers-medical-faqs.pdf

Which has a section about Epilepsy and what can be considered reasonable adjustments.

Unfortunately for my colleague her epilepsy diagnosis was very recent and as she was unable to drive she didn't explore it further back then. However now she has her epilepsy under control and can drive again she is considering it too.

I hope you can find the information you need from your local force, but it does seem to be on a case by case basis.
Best wishes for your application

Reply 2

Original post by TheBrizzleBrit
Hi, I had a colleague in a similar position. Can you look up the policy for your area police? Eg this is Essex
https://www.essex.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/essex/careers/careers-medical-faqs.pdf
Which has a section about Epilepsy and what can be considered reasonable adjustments.
Unfortunately for my colleague her epilepsy diagnosis was very recent and as she was unable to drive she didn't explore it further back then. However now she has her epilepsy under control and can drive again she is considering it too.
I hope you can find the information you need from your local force, but it does seem to be on a case by case basis.
Best wishes for your application

Hi Brizzle,

My area police is Bedfordshire. I cannot find it please can you help me find it please? My Epilepsy diagnosis was back in High School. I was 7 years seizure free and over the last 2 years I have had 4 seizures although they were whilst asleep. My Epilepsy is kept under control when my medication is taken on time, alongside a good length of sleep.

The response I got so far in my application is I would need to fill out a FAW Form. Although my reasonable adjustments is not guaranteed. And since it’s a PCEP Program, I would need to have had a manual driving licence by the time I have finished my training. I am just wondering what is the training length and how long I would have and got to get a manual driving license?

Reply 3

Reply 4

Original post by Anonymous
Hello,
I have made an application to join my local police force through the police constable entry program. In my application I stated I suffer from Epilepsy, I stated the reasonable adjustments that I may require in flexible shifts and shifts finishing no later than 12am, and that whilst I will do everything I can to get a manual driving licence provided the co-operation and stating I have Epilepsy would not be a barrier to joining my local police force as I want to become a police officer. I spoke to local police officers who said to contact recruitment and HR, I put forward an application as they said you never know if you never try. How does the Equality Act protect this please?

All Beds police officers start on Intervention, which is the front line response element, and considered critical as this is where you will receive all of your basic police training and experience. Beds operates a 4 on / 4 off shift pattern on intervention -meaning you will usually do 2 days followed by 2 nights then 4 off.

You would effectively be asking for a "no nights" adjustment - and the only way to achieve this would be for you to do 4 days in a row, straddling 2 teams. Whilst this is theoretically possible, it would be a horrible idea for the force, creating a lot of admin headaches and leaving your actual team one short on every night shift. A lot of people spend a minimum of 3 years on intervention, many spend their entire careers there. It's also questionable if you would be able to do certain training and how you'd obtain a response driving ticket with no night driving.

Additionally, whilst doing 4 days means no change in shift, doing 4 days of 12 hour shifts is very, very tiring as you have 3 days with only a 12 hour break between shifts, and its not impossible that you could be late off on any of those.

Bottom line - it's theoretically possible, but is it really a reasonable adjustment for a constable who is new to the force? You're asking the force and your future team to make a lot of adjustments for you and for the team to be short-handed on all night shifts.

Reply 5

Original post by Trinculo
All Beds police officers start on Intervention, which is the front line response element, and considered critical as this is where you will receive all of your basic police training and experience. Beds operates a 4 on / 4 off shift pattern on intervention -meaning you will usually do 2 days followed by 2 nights then 4 off.
You would effectively be asking for a "no nights" adjustment - and the only way to achieve this would be for you to do 4 days in a row, straddling 2 teams. Whilst this is theoretically possible, it would be a horrible idea for the force, creating a lot of admin headaches and leaving your actual team one short on every night shift. A lot of people spend a minimum of 3 years on intervention, many spend their entire careers there. It's also questionable if you would be able to do certain training and how you'd obtain a response driving ticket with no night driving.
Additionally, whilst doing 4 days means no change in shift, doing 4 days of 12 hour shifts is very, very tiring as you have 3 days with only a 12 hour break between shifts, and its not impossible that you could be late off on any of those.
Bottom line - it's theoretically possible, but is it really a reasonable adjustment for a constable who is new to the force? You're asking the force and your future team to make a lot of adjustments for you and for the team to be short-handed on all night shifts.

But surely there’ll be a way to do shifts that’s flexible according to what I can do right. After all I don’t want my health condition to stop me working within the force. And they have taken on officers with Epilepsy when I spoke to them in person.

Reply 6

Original post by Anonymous
But surely there’ll be a way to do shifts that’s flexible according to what I can do right. After all I don’t want my health condition to stop me working within the force. And they have taken on officers with Epilepsy when I spoke to them in person.

I don't see how flexible working is going to be good for anyone in this situation.

Let's say you're part of Team B. You do two days shifts 7am - 7pm with your team. Your team then has 24 hours off before coming back on nights at 7pm - 7am. But if you can't do that, the only way around it is for you to do two more days with Team C, who are now on days, whilst your own team is on nights. I can't see what other flexible working arrangement could possibly exist. Were you thinking that you could do 8-4 for five days?

Another thing to consider is that you will have a tutor phase lasting a few months after you have finished training school. During this time, you are paired up with an experienced tutor constable who will essentially teach you the job. If you are on your own shift pattern - you won't have enough time with your tutor to get your Onefile competencies done when you're working on another team's shift pattern.

There are other roles, like Neighbourhoods, who will probably not do many shifts finishing after midnight, but I am certain that Beds Police would require you to have at least a years experience on Intervention before letting you onto Neighbourhoods as its likely you'll have less support, a much smaller team and get tasked with problem solving and long term issues as well as all the basic policing calls. Some roles are office hours Mon-Fri, but those would normally require you to have some experience and have completed your probation.

Reply 7

Original post by Anonymous
Hi Brizzle,
My area police is Bedfordshire. I cannot find it please can you help me find it please? My Epilepsy diagnosis was back in High School. I was 7 years seizure free and over the last 2 years I have had 4 seizures although they were whilst asleep. My Epilepsy is kept under control when my medication is taken on time, alongside a good length of sleep.
The response I got so far in my application is I would need to fill out a FAW Form. Although my reasonable adjustments is not guaranteed. And since it’s a PCEP Program, I would need to have had a manual driving licence by the time I have finished my training. I am just wondering what is the training length and how long I would have and got to get a manual driving license?

Hi! I've also applied for this role. I've completed nationalsift and about to start the OAC. I've completed the writtenexercise but I'm not very confident in passing of thebriefing and video competency exercises. I wanted to askyou if you know in particular what they will ask me in thissection? And how can I pass? Would appreciate anyhelp! Pls

Reply 8

Original post by Trinculo
All Beds police officers start on Intervention, which is the front line response element, and considered critical as this is where you will receive all of your basic police training and experience. Beds operates a 4 on / 4 off shift pattern on intervention -meaning you will usually do 2 days followed by 2 nights then 4 off.
You would effectively be asking for a "no nights" adjustment - and the only way to achieve this would be for you to do 4 days in a row, straddling 2 teams. Whilst this is theoretically possible, it would be a horrible idea for the force, creating a lot of admin headaches and leaving your actual team one short on every night shift. A lot of people spend a minimum of 3 years on intervention, many spend their entire careers there. It's also questionable if you would be able to do certain training and how you'd obtain a response driving ticket with no night driving.
Additionally, whilst doing 4 days means no change in shift, doing 4 days of 12 hour shifts is very, very tiring as you have 3 days with only a 12 hour break between shifts, and its not impossible that you could be late off on any of those.
Bottom line - it's theoretically possible, but is it really a reasonable adjustment for a constable who is new to the force? You're asking the force and your future team to make a lot of adjustments for you and for the team to be short-handed on all night shifts.

Hi! I've also applied for this role. I've completed nationalsift and about to start the OAC. I've completed the writtenexercise but I'm not very confident in passing of thebriefing and video competency exercises. I wanted to askyou if you know in particular what they will ask me in thissection? And how can I pass? Would appreciate anyhelp!

Reply 9

Original post by Anonymous
Hi! I've also applied for this role. I've completed nationalsift and about to start the OAC. I've completed the writtenexercise but I'm not very confident in passing of thebriefing and video competency exercises. I wanted to askyou if you know in particular what they will ask me in thissection? And how can I pass? Would appreciate anyhelp!

I'm afraid I can only comment on post-selection matters. I joined a several years ago under a completely different scheme.

Reply 10

Application Update: Just completed the National Sift Assessment. Anyone know what’s the pass rate or how to be successful please?

Reply 11

Anyone know the next steps after the national sift assessment please?

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