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Physician Associate job change

Does anyone have any idea how I can get information to students currently studying this course to suggest that they contact their university for update on information regarding the change in this job. If you are currently on the course you need to know. If you thinking of applying for it you also need to know.

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Reply 1

Hi, what do you mean by change in job?

Reply 2

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by Sarps
Hi, what do you mean by change in job?

The job that the course says it leads to isn't going to exist by the time anyone who is currently studying on the course or anyone starting in 2025 finishes it. As this is a vocational course when the job changes then the course can't lead to it because it only leads to a Physician Associate job.

I would suggest that anyone currently doing this course contacts the university running it and finds out if the university has made alternative arrangements for these students. Anyone thinking of applying for this course needs to contact the university and ask them for up to date information on what changes are likely to be made to their studies.

Luckily a lot of responsible universities have either stopped these courses or paused them for 2025 but there still some universities running them. This is not at all fair on students.

Reply 3

I’ve applied for the course and got in, but I’d like to discuss this a bit more, how do you know this? Do you think PAs won’t exist anymore or will there be limited availability of jobs to the point where there is no point?

Reply 4

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by Sarps
I’ve applied for the course and got in, but I’d like to discuss this a bit more, how do you know this? Do you think PAs won’t exist anymore or will there be limited availability of jobs to the point where there is no point?

OK do you know about the Leng review? If not look it up. Secondly we already know that the name Physician Associate is going to change to something else because currently it confuses patients. We also know that the actual job is going to change. Currently the way that PAs are employed compromises patient safety. If your university has accepted you onto a Physician Associate course then you need to ask them what happens if the name of the job changes and the actual job changes. This is why responsible universities have either stopped running the course for September 2025 or paused it for 2025.

As it is getting late for you to find another masters course starting in September 2025 you also need to know from the university that has accepted you what course you can transfer to if the PA job changes. You also need to know now that there are a lot of unemployed PAs already. To research the job aspect, look up how many jobs there are being advertised for PAs and then compare this to the number of people on last years intake and the number of people likely to be on your course.

Please be aware that the Physicians Associate course is not like other masters courses. It is a stand alone two year vocational course. The vocational bit means that it only leads to the one job that is a Physician Associate so if that job ceases to exist the course leads to nothing. You really need to contact the university about all of this as it is their job to make sure that the course they are offering you now will still exist in September.

I hope you have time if you decide not to do this course to find something else before September.

Reply 5

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by Flamingo10
OK do you know about the Leng review? If not look it up. Secondly we already know that the name Physician Associate is going to change to something else because currently it confuses patients. We also know that the actual job is going to change. Currently the way that PAs are employed compromises patient safety. If your university has accepted you onto a Physician Associate course then you need to ask them what happens if the name of the job changes and the actual job changes. This is why responsible universities have either stopped running the course for September 2025 or paused it for 2025.
As it is getting late for you to find another masters course starting in September 2025 you also need to know from the university that has accepted you what course you can transfer to if the PA job changes. You also need to know now that there are a lot of unemployed PAs already. To research the job aspect, look up how many jobs there are being advertised for PAs and then compare this to the number of people on last years intake and the number of people likely to be on your course.
Please be aware that the Physicians Associate course is not like other masters courses. It is a stand alone two year vocational course. The vocational bit means that it only leads to the one job that is a Physician Associate so if that job ceases to exist the course leads to nothing. You really need to contact the university about all of this as it is their job to make sure that the course they are offering you now will still exist in September.
I hope you have time if you decide not to do this course to find something else before September.

Would it be too late to apply for other master programs as of right now?

Reply 6

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by Sarps
Would it be too late to apply for other master programs as of right now?

I don't know. You will have to see what is available.

Reply 7

are you someone who is studying Physician Associate

Reply 8

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by Sarps
are you someone who is studying Physician Associate

No I am not. I just happen to know that this course is a very bad idea so I am trying to warn people not to do it. The biggest problem with it is that it is a stand alone 2 year vocational course and as a post grad course it attracts post grad fees. So if you pay £25k plus living expenses to study it and then you can't get a job it isn't the sort of post grad that you can use for any other job as it only leads to one job. £25k is a lot to lose if you can't get a job.

There is currently a lot of unemployment among PAs.

Reply 9

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by Flamingo10
No I am not. I just happen to know that this course is a very bad idea so I am trying to warn people not to do it. The biggest problem with it is that it is a stand alone 2 year vocational course and as a post grad course it attracts post grad fees. So if you pay £25k plus living expenses to study it and then you can't get a job it isn't the sort of post grad that you can use for any other job as it only leads to one job. £25k is a lot to lose if you can't get a job.
There is currently a lot of unemployment among PAs.

It’s cute that you’ve got an opinion on something you’re not even studying. Stay in your lane you’re not studying the PA course, so why are you acting like an expert. You’re spending more time obsessing over PAs, sitting on your laptop running your mouth, than actually doing your job if you even have one. Maybe you should focus on your own hustle instead of stalking a profession you couldn't even get into the first place.

Don't even bother replying you 'never wanted to do the course in the first place' bs when you’re running your mouth all over the PA threads. If you’re not interested in it, maybe stop wasting your time and energy on something you clearly don’t understand. Take a look into free will because at the end of the day, your opinion doesn’t hold weight like that and people going to do what they want to do regardless of what you think or claim to know.

Reply 10

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by GhostMango
It’s cute that you’ve got an opinion on something you’re not even studying. Stay in your lane you’re not studying the PA course, so why are you acting like an expert. You’re spending more time obsessing over PAs, sitting on your laptop running your mouth, than actually doing your job if you even have one. Maybe you should focus on your own hustle instead of stalking a profession you couldn't even get into the first place.
Don't even bother replying you 'never wanted to do the course in the first place' bs when you’re running your mouth all over the PA threads. If you’re not interested in it, maybe stop wasting your time and energy on something you clearly don’t understand. Take a look into free will because at the end of the day, your opinion doesn’t hold weight like that and people going to do what they want to do regardless of what you think or claim to know.

Are you someone who is studying the course, if so I would love to also your perspective on things

Reply 11

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by GhostMango
It’s cute that you’ve got an opinion on something you’re not even studying. Stay in your lane you’re not studying the PA course, so why are you acting like an expert. You’re spending more time obsessing over PAs, sitting on your laptop running your mouth, than actually doing your job if you even have one. Maybe you should focus on your own hustle instead of stalking a profession you couldn't even get into the first place.
Don't even bother replying you 'never wanted to do the course in the first place' bs when you’re running your mouth all over the PA threads. If you’re not interested in it, maybe stop wasting your time and energy on something you clearly don’t understand. Take a look into free will because at the end of the day, your opinion doesn’t hold weight like that and people going to do what they want to do regardless of what you think or claim to know.
That is fine. But at least you cannot say that you were not warned. I have warned you and so have other people. What I am trying to do is to warn the people who have not yet decided. People who are able to do the research and not just assume that everything will be alright.

Reply 12

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by Flamingo10
That is fine. But at least you cannot say that you were not warned. I have warned you and so have other people. What I am trying to do is to warn the people who have not yet decided. People who are able to do the research and not just assume that everything will be alright.

Your warnings are opinions, understand the concept of free will and let people do whatever they want to do, your not a parent so pipe down and go focus on your own life.

Reply 13

Right so this is where I am at today. Yesterday I emailed several universities that are still advertising the PA studies course and asked them what plans they had for students should the name of the job change and also if the actual job changes. Several of them had extremely out of date information on their pages advertising this course.

One had a link to the RCP which is nothing to do with the PA role. When something like this occurs it makes me personally wonder what else is out of date/ misleading in their information if they haven't bothered to correct something like that.

Reply 14

How about instead of emailing the universities who clearly don't really care what you think since they're still running courses, why don't you email the higher ups who are the ones with actual authority and voice your opinion there. I'm sure your email will get lost somewhere amongst them.

Reply 15

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by GhostMango
How about instead of emailing the universities who clearly don't really care what you think since they're still running courses, why don't you email the higher ups who are the ones with actual authority and voice your opinion there. I'm sure your email will get lost somewhere amongst them.

Well there is a problem with universities who are running vocational courses for a job that will have a different name and a different scope of practice than what is in their information on the course. Why anyone would consider paying a university £25k for course that has misleading and out of date information I actually don't know. It kind of says that they don't care about the students as long as they get the money.

Reply 16

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by Flamingo10
Well there is a problem with universities who are running vocational courses for a job that will have a different name and a different scope of practice than what is in their information on the course. Why anyone would consider paying a university £25k for course that has misleading and out of date information I actually don't know. It kind of says that they don't care about the students as long as they get the money.

The BMA has just lost the case against the GMC. So there will not be a name change

Reply 17

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by Sarps
The BMA has just lost the case against the GMC. So there will not be a name change

That is nothing to do with the name change. The name change as been suggested by the Leng Review. The BMA case was to do with calling PAs medical professionals when they haven't studied medicine. The outcome of that case made it clear that PAs were not medically trained and had to tell patient that they were not medically trained and were not doctors so that has cleared up that problem. Some PAs were telling patients that they were medically trained but by law they can't do that anymore.

Reply 18

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by GhostMango
It’s cute that you’ve got an opinion on something you’re not even studying. Stay in your lane you’re not studying the PA course, so why are you acting like an expert. You’re spending more time obsessing over PAs, sitting on your laptop running your mouth, than actually doing your job if you even have one. Maybe you should focus on your own hustle instead of stalking a profession you couldn't even get into the first place.
Don't even bother replying you 'never wanted to do the course in the first place' bs when you’re running your mouth all over the PA threads. If you’re not interested in it, maybe stop wasting your time and energy on something you clearly don’t understand. Take a look into free will because at the end of the day, your opinion doesn’t hold weight like that and people going to do what they want to do regardless of what you think or claim to know.
I am a Pa student going into second year and I can promise you, do not do the course! The person above is saying the truth it is not worth the time or energy to do this hard degree and you won’t get a job, will get treated poorly.

Reply 19

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by Nat_glebo
I am a Pa student going into second year and I can promise you, do not do the course! The person above is saying the truth it is not worth the time or energy to do this hard degree and you won’t get a job, will get treated poorly.

Can you transfer to a different masters?

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