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training contract advantage?

heyy, i want to study law this september but the university is non-russel. would me going to a non russel university put me to a disadvantage when applying to those magic/ silver circle and us law firms??

please help me! thank you

Reply 1

I do not believe so. Someone I did my law degree with ended up ay Clyde & Co. Some of them also adopt blind recruitment so where you went to law school etc are not known to them when they chose their trainees. However, they are quite competitive. Definitely apply to them if that is what your goal is but also keep plan B in case it does not work out.

Reply 2

Original post by tiny birds
Yes. It will be significantly more challenging to get a TC at the firms you mention without having gone to a RG university.

On what basis do you say it would be "significantly more challenging" without knowing which university the OP is intending to attend, other than it is not part of the Russell Group? Given the increasing trend towards blind recruitment, I don't think you can make such sweeping generalisations.

To the OP: if you give us some more information (e.g. which uni in particular, likely A-level grades, any relevant other factors) then we might be able to give you a better steer. In addition, and given you're yet to study Law, perhaps you could explain what it is attracts you to the MC/SC/US firms in particular?

Reply 3

Original post by tiny birds
Yes. It will be significantly more challenging to get a TC at the firms you mention without having gone to a RG university.

On what basis do you say that?

Reply 4

Original post by user88663
heyy, i want to study law this september but the university is non-russel. would me going to a non russel university put me to a disadvantage when applying to those magic/ silver circle and us law firms??
please help me! thank you

What's a non-russel university?
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Reply 5

Original post by tiny birds
Yes. It will be significantly more challenging to get a TC at the firms you mention without having gone to a RG university.

Not sure I agree with you on that. Firms have began adopting blind recruitment, as I outlined above, to pick the best candidate for the position regardless of where they have studied. Of course there may be a chosen candidate who went to one of the Russell Group universities but equally there may be a chosen candidate who went to a non RG university.
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Reply 6

Original post by Stiffy Byng
What's a non-russel university?

Non Russell Group is my guess of what is meant

Reply 7

Original post by abstrackickoff
Non Russell Group is my guess of what is meant

Obvs, I was just teasing the OP. I am Hon Secretary of the Royal United Society of the Second Eternally Lost L (aka RUSSELL).
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Reply 8

Original post by chalks
On what basis do you say it would be "significantly more challenging" without knowing which university the OP is intending to attend, other than it is not part of the Russell Group? Given the increasing trend towards blind recruitment, I don't think you can make such sweeping generalisations.
To the OP: if you give us some more information (e.g. which uni in particular, likely A-level grades, any relevant other factors) then we might be able to give you a better steer. In addition, and given you're yet to study Law, perhaps you could explain what it is attracts you to the MC/SC/US firms in particular?

univeristy is royal holloway

Reply 9

Original post by user88663
univeristy is royal holloway

Ok, and what are your predicted (or actual) A-Level grades?

Also, what is it that attracts you to working for MC, SC or US law firms?

Reply 10

Original post by chalks
Ok, and what are your predicted (or actual) A-Level grades?
Also, what is it that attracts you to working for MC, SC or US law firms?

my predicted are a*ab, i did work experience at these firms and compared to the regional law firms, the global exposure and how big the overall firms are and the massive opportunities i can get is what attracts me initially, as they are international firms and i would want to go internationally rather than staying in a regional firm
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Reply 11

Original post by tiny birds
I'm a solicitor at a firm in the bracket OP is interested in.
Looking around at colleagues / trainee intake, almost all went to RG. It's difficult, if not impossible, to engage in a truly 'blind' exercise - to the extent these firms even want to do that to begin with.

If you're a solicitor at one of those firms, why have you posted elsewhere that you're starting a postgrad at Girton in October?

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7589799&p=100533545
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Reply 12

Original post by tiny birds
I'm a solicitor at a firm in the bracket OP is interested in.
Looking around at colleagues / trainee intake, almost all went to RG. It's difficult, if not impossible, to engage in a truly 'blind' exercise - to the extent these firms even want to do that to begin with.

If you are a solicitor, do you take part in the recruitment decisions of the firm you work for? If not, how do you know whether the decisions are made university blind?

Reply 13

Original post by user88663
heyy, i want to study law this september but the university is non-russel. would me going to a non russel university put me to a disadvantage when applying to those magic/ silver circle and us law firms??
please help me! thank you

Hi ! RG is much less of a focus in recent years, whilst grades are certainly still a huge factor, the university is less so - firms instead are more focused on motivations for becoming a solicitor and relevant work-experience.

Reply 14

Original post by user88663
my predicted are a*ab, i did work experience at these firms and compared to the regional law firms, the global exposure and how big the overall firms are and the massive opportunities i can get is what attracts me initially, as they are international firms and i would want to go internationally rather than staying in a regional firm

You've done well to get work experience at Magic Circle/US firms whilst at school: what schemes were those? I'm not sure what you mean by "go internationally" - do you mean you want to work overseas, or just that you want to work on international transactions? By all means be as ambitious as you can, but I'd simply counsel against having too narrow a career focus. Those firms are extremely competitive to get into, and there are masses of other fantastic firms which will offer you amazing career opportunities.

I suggest you take @tiny birds earlier post with a pinch of salt: it seems they replied to my question about them studying a post grad this year/actually being a solicitor and have now deleted their response.

Reply 15

Original post by tiny birds
No I haven't - please see above.
This is good advice though. There's no point wanting to become a lawyer because of the MC 'brand', the only thing that matters is whether you enjoy the day-to-day.

Apologies: there seems to have been a glitch in the TSR matrix, and your post wasn't there earlier today.

So, am I right in thinking you're taking some sort of sabbatical from your current firm whilst you take a postgrad? Is the subject you're studying directly relevant to your practice or is this just a break from work?

Reply 16

Original post by tiny birds
Because I am starting a postgraduate course at Girton in October... I'm not quite seeing how those two things are incompatible?
I don't take part in recruitment activity for the firm I work for. I am aware from discussions with Partners that university is a factor used in recruitment (although the firm doesn't advertise itself as 'university blind' to begin with). The university I attended was mentioned at various stages in my recruitment process - although maybe this has changed since I went through.
My comment "It's difficult, if not impossible, to engage in a truly 'blind' exercise" does not say "decisions are/are not made university blind". Even if you scrub an applicant's university from their application, (1) their A-Levels will be indicative of the type of university they attend, and/or (2) their extra-curriculars will be indicative of the type of university they attend.
On point (1), I accept that it is not necessarily true that (i) all students, with, say, A*AA will attend an RG university, or (ii) that all universities which have A*AA entry requirements are in the RG (although, without undertaking further research, I suspect most are).
On point (2), where a student says they're part of the College [x] Club, it becomes clear that they're at a collegiate university, the majority of which (to my knowledge) are in the RG. The same is true for when a student says they volunteer with certain law clinics - there's a clear link to universities which won't be scrubbed out.
In any case - all of this applies to the firms in this bracket which do indeed apply 'university blind' recruitment. Of all of the firms in the bracket provided (MC/SC/US), only a fraction advertise that they apply university blind recruitment. Maybe others do so without advertising it; I wouldn't know.
It's well established that London firms recruit more heavily from RG universities (https://www.chambersstudent.co.uk/where-to-start/newsletter/law-firms-preferred-universities). Sure, you can query how many applicants there are from non-RG vs RG universities, and that may skew the numbers. I don't have data on that, but would be keen to find out.
So then we're back to my comment: "It will be significantly more challenging to get a TC at the firms you mention without having gone to a RG university." I stand by this comment. When it comes down to it, if a student wants to get a TC at a MC/SC/US firm, my advice would always be to attend an RG university (and, ideally, Oxbridge or one of the universities in London which are well regarded). There are a few universities not in the RG which you do see at these firms (Bath, for eg), but, generally speaking, I stick by my advice.
I don't necessarily think this is the way things 'should' be, but from my experience and the data I've seen, it's the way it is.

You are relying on anecdote, not data. That claptrap from Chambers and Partners is years old and has been debunked here time and again.

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