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LLB at University of Manchester vs Exeter

I am struggling to decide which university would be better. I know they are around the same ranking level. But would like to know which university would better prepare me to be a solicitor at a top global firm. Also curious about the quality of teaching and networking opportunities.

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Reply 1

Firstly, both are great options. Quality of teaching will be excellent in both. But the uni experience will be very different so it really depends if you want a big or small city experience? Manchester has a bigger legal market so more regional opportunities for work experience and jobs. But Exeter is a target for all the major London firms too. Also in terms of the student body you are more likely to meet students with London connections at Exeter which could be helpful later.
In terms of living there for three years Exeter is compact, safe and walkable. It's a one university town which means you will know lots of people and will see people you know wherever you go on a night out etc. That can be great fun but some might prefer the anonymity of a bigger city like Manchester. Good luck whichever you decide.
Also worth adding this from Chambers Student Research: Screenshot 2025-04-04 at 09.14.58.png

More Exeter graduates amongst law firm trainees than Manchester grads.
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Reply 2

Original post by RustyMoon
Firstly, both are great options. Quality of teaching will be excellent in both. But the uni experience will be very different so it really depends if you want a big or small city experience? Manchester has a bigger legal market so more regional opportunities for work experience and jobs. But Exeter is a target for all the major London firms too. Also in terms of the student body you are more likely to meet students with London connections at Exeter which could be helpful later.
In terms of living there for three years Exeter is compact, safe and walkable. It's a one university town which means you will know lots of people and will see people you know wherever you go on a night out etc. That can be great fun but some might prefer the anonymity of a bigger city like Manchester. Good luck whichever you decide.
Also worth adding this from Chambers Student Research: Screenshot 2025-04-04 at 09.14.58.png
More Exeter graduates amongst law firm trainees than Manchester grads.

Hello, thank you!! I am leaning towards exeter tbh cause of the whole campus feel.

Reply 3

Original post by RustyMoon
Firstly, both are great options. Quality of teaching will be excellent in both. But the uni experience will be very different so it really depends if you want a big or small city experience? Manchester has a bigger legal market so more regional opportunities for work experience and jobs. But Exeter is a target for all the major London firms too. Also in terms of the student body you are more likely to meet students with London connections at Exeter which could be helpful later.
In terms of living there for three years Exeter is compact, safe and walkable. It's a one university town which means you will know lots of people and will see people you know wherever you go on a night out etc. That can be great fun but some might prefer the anonymity of a bigger city like Manchester. Good luck whichever you decide.
Also worth adding this from Chambers Student Research: Screenshot 2025-04-04 at 09.14.58.png
More Exeter graduates amongst law firm trainees than Manchester grads.

As I've mentioned on previous threads, I would recommend you use the Chambers' research carefully. It is a thoughtful, diligent piece of research with a good sample size and (presumably) reliable methodology.

However, the research is already six years old and is taken from trainee interviews undertaken across 2016-2018. I doubt the recruitment landscape is radically different today but new trends may well have arisen in the intervening period (particularly a move towards blind recruitment). Just be aware that the research is based on speaking with individuals who, in some cases, may have started Uni back in 2012 (or possibly even earlier) and will have gone through the law firm recruitment process over a decade ago.

Finally, given the sample size (c. 2500 trainees over 3 years), the difference between the Exeter percentage (4.9%) and Manchester percentage (3.1%) is meaningless: it's literally a seminar group size difference.

Reply 4

Original post by chalks
As I've mentioned on previous threads, I would recommend you use the Chambers' research carefully. It is a thoughtful, diligent piece of research with a good sample size and (presumably) reliable methodology.
However, the research is already six years old and is taken from trainee interviews undertaken across 2016-2018. I doubt the recruitment landscape is radically different today but new trends may well have arisen in the intervening period (particularly a move towards blind recruitment). Just be aware that the research is based on speaking with individuals who, in some cases, may have started Uni back in 2012 (or possibly even earlier) and will have gone through the law firm recruitment process over a decade ago.
Finally, given the sample size (c. 2500 trainees over 3 years), the difference between the Exeter percentage (4.9%) and Manchester percentage (3.1%) is meaningless: it's literally a seminar group size difference.

I agree it's due an update. They did find more Exeter grads across every category of law firm though.
And the methodology says they interviewed 7,000 in total. See below.
I think the OP can safely conclude that a law degree from Exeter would be well respected and would allow them to move forward in their career.

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Reply 5

Original post by gayathri_05
I am struggling to decide which university would be better. I know they are around the same ranking level. But would like to know which university would better prepare me to be a solicitor at a top global firm. Also curious about the quality of teaching and networking opportunities.

I have a friend who did his LLB at Exeter and landed a training contract with a very big law firm! Suffice to say the London connections are easier formed at Exeter. In Manchester, may be a difficulty to develop the same

Reply 6

Original post by gayathri_05
Hello, thank you!! I am leaning towards exeter tbh cause of the whole campus feel.

It's a beautiful place and the weather will certainly be better than Manchester!

Reply 7

Original post by RustyMoon
I agree it's due an update. They did find more Exeter grads across every category of law firm though.
And the methodology says they interviewed 7,000 in total. See below.
I think the OP can safely conclude that a law degree from Exeter would be well respected and would allow them to move forward in their career.
Screenshot 2025-04-23 at 09.25.00.png

I agree with your conclusion that Exeter is well-regarded and offers good career prospects to those students who excel.

In terms of the research, they interviewed 2500 trainees across 2016 to 2018 so c. 830 per year. A difference in a percentage point or two between universities is minimal and well within a margin of error. I'm not clear whether the report in 2019 is cumulative or standalone i.e. does it build on the earlier research or has it been done afresh?

The important point for those considering university choices is that the research shouldn't be a major factor when deciding between two or three leading institutions. Likewise, law firms will not use it.

Reply 8

Original post by chalks
I agree with your conclusion that Exeter is well-regarded and offers good career prospects to those students who excel.
In terms of the research, they interviewed 2500 trainees across 2016 to 2018 so c. 830 per year. A difference in a percentage point or two between universities is minimal and well within a margin of error. I'm not clear whether the report in 2019 is cumulative or standalone i.e. does it build on the earlier research or has it been done afresh?
The important point for those considering university choices is that the research shouldn't be a major factor when deciding between two or three leading institutions. Likewise, law firms will not use it.

I read it as cumulative but I could be wrong of course. Agree with you that it shouldn't be a major factor but I think it does provide a picture of the landscape out there. Certainly the universities fall into the sort of rankings I would expect. I do agree with you that, like any such study, there will be a margin of error.

Reply 9

Original post by abstrackickoff
I have a friend who did his LLB at Exeter and landed a training contract with a very big law firm! Suffice to say the London connections are easier formed at Exeter. In Manchester, may be a difficulty to develop the same

Hello, just curious. Why do you say it is easier to form connections from exeter rather than manchester?

Reply 10

Original post by gayathri_05
Hello, just curious. Why do you say it is easier to form connections from exeter rather than manchester?

Because inherentl there exist connections between Exeter Law School and London vs connections in Manchester being likely that of in Manchester only
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Reply 11

Original post by RustyMoon
I read it as cumulative but I could be wrong of course. Agree with you that it shouldn't be a major factor but I think it does provide a picture of the landscape out there. Certainly the universities fall into the sort of rankings I would expect. I do agree with you that, like any such study, there will be a margin of error.

It's 2025. Things have changed.

Reply 12

Original post by Stiffy Byng
It's 2025. Things have changed.

Yes but by how much? Pretty sure the same familiar names are still on top. Unless you have evidence to the contrary?
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Reply 13

Original post by RustyMoon
Yes but by how much? Pretty sure the same familiar names are still on top. Unless you have evidence to the contrary?

I'm a practising lawyer. The market has changed even more in favour of large US firms. University-blind recruitment is now widespread, The Chambers survey has no current relevance or value. It propagates a myth that law firms prefer some universities to others.

Reply 14

Original post by Stiffy Byng
I'm a practising lawyer. The market has changed even more in favour of large US firms. University-blind recruitment is now widespread, The Chambers survey has no current relevance or value. It propagates a myth that law firms prefer some universities to others.
That is interesting. Do you have any advice as to what a first year law student should do to be able to secure a vacation scheme at a large firm? Any particular skills one should focus on learning?

Reply 15

Original post by gayathri_05
That is interesting. Do you have any advice as to what a first year law student should do to be able to secure a vacation scheme at a large firm? Any particular skills one should focus on learning?


Work hard so that your academic results are good. Maybe take part in moots, legal advice clinics, and university law society activities. Don't be disappointed if you don't obtain a vacation place in your first year. The competition is intense.

Please have a careful think about why you wish to become a lawyer, especially if you are aiming to work in a large commercial law firm. I have posted elsewhere in this forum about the reality of lawyering, which is nothing like the depictions in TV and movie fictions.

Reply 16

Original post by Stiffy Byng
Work hard so that your academic results are good. Maybe take part in moots, legal advice clinics, and university law society activities. Don't be disappointed if you don't obtain a vacation place in your first year. The competition is intense.
Please have a careful think about why you wish to become a lawyer, especially if you are aiming to work in a large commercial law firm. I have posted elsewhere in this forum about the reality of lawyering, which is nothing like the depictions in TV and movie fictions.

Thank you. I will check out your other posts! I am currently keeping my options open, but don’t want to make any mistakes that might close me off from achieving a career in commercial law if I do decide that is what I want to do.

Reply 17

If a career in commercial law is what you end up deciding, definitely go for but commercial law is one of the most difficult areas to get into. Whether you go down the solicitor or barrister route, getting a training contract or pupillage is very competitive. Add to that commercial law makes it quite challenging and you have to be extraordinarily amazing. To give you an insight into why its so competitive, numerically speaking, a chambers I know of is paying their first year practicing barristers up to £360,000. Many of us may not see that much money until many many many years later in our careers, if ever.

Reply 18

Original post by abstrackickoff
If a career in commercial law is what you end up deciding, definitely go for but commercial law is one of the most difficult areas to get into. Whether you go down the solicitor or barrister route, getting a training contract or pupillage is very competitive. Add to that commercial law makes it quite challenging and you have to be extraordinarily amazing. To give you an insight into why its so competitive, numerically speaking, a chambers I know of is paying their first year practicing barristers up to £360,000. Many of us may not see that much money until many many many years later in our careers, if ever.

Chambers do not pay first year practising barristers. Barristers practising in sets of chambers are all self employed.

Chambers pay pupil barristers during their year of pupillage. The amounts paid vary. The most competitive chambers pay high five figure and sometimes six figure sums.

Pupils can take on their own work during the second six months of pupillage, but in the large commercial chambers they tend not to do so, partly because the chambers don't always have available enough of the small cases which junior barristers in other chambers start out on, and partly because the chambers may prefer that pupils do a full year of training before taking on their own work.

Once a pupil is accepted as a member of chambers, he or she may be able to generate gross fees over 100K in the first year. But NB that if doing legally aided criminal defence work, a barrister won't make anything like 100K in the first year.

Gross fees of 360K in the first year after pupillage would be unusual, although not impossible if working on large commercial disputes with leading counsel. NB those fees would come at the price of very long working hours doing very difficult and demanding work.

A barrister is likely to incur professional expenses of between 20% and 40% of gross fees, and is then taxed on his or her profits, often at the higher rates of income tax. Thus gross fees of, say, 100K, are equivalent to roughly 50K in the barrister's pocket.

In large commercial law firms, trainees and first year Associate solicitors are paid well, but in return for high salaries they are expected to work very long hours for six for seven days a week, with little autonomy and little meaningful client contact. Eighteen hour working days are not uncommon.

Solicitors working in high street law firms make much less money but may have a much better quality of life, although the work can be humdrum.

In my view, the sweet spot for being a solicitor is working in a small or mid sized boutique firm. Interesting work, decent but not crazy money, sensible working hours, more autonomy and client contact, and a less dog eat dog promotion culture.

The culture in large law firms can be Darwinian. Survival of the fittest, move up or get out.

The culture in barristers' chambers is usually collegiate, although some chambers are riven by internal politics and competition. Avoid the latter!

A successful and happy barristers' chambers is an "eat what you kill" collective. Each barrister goes out hunting, brings back a deer, gives a leg to the tribe, another leg to the taxman, and goes home with the rest. The tribe celebrates whenever one of the mightiest hunters (the silks) gets an especially big kill. In bad chambers, people sulk and conspire when a colleague does well.

Some law firms operate on the same financial basis as barristers' chambers, although most law firms use the traditional law firm model, with various arrangements about employees and owners (partners).

Old joke:

A partner in a big law firm buys a Ferrari. The partner says to the associate

"Hey, kid, if you focus, work hard, and hit your targets, then next year...

... I'll buy a Lamborghini."

Reply 19

Original post by gayathri_05
I am struggling to decide which university would be better. I know they are around the same ranking level. But would like to know which university would better prepare me to be a solicitor at a top global firm. Also curious about the quality of teaching and networking opportunities.

Manchester

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