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Reply 1
Yes but have another referendum.
100% yes
We should never have left.
We should never have left.
Reply 3
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No.
it has not turned out the way I thought it would, but that is the fault of Tory Governments since Boris
it has not turned out the way I thought it would, but that is the fault of Tory Governments since Boris
Reply 4
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by meenu89No.
it has not turned out the way I thought it would, but that is the fault of Tory Governments since Boris
it has not turned out the way I thought it would, but that is the fault of Tory Governments since Boris
*Cameron I’d say as he called the referendum in the first place.
We should, but our pride....
Reply 6
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by Talkative Toad*Cameron I’d say as he called the referendum in the first place.
but we only left the EU under Boris after his election win. Theresa May is also to blame
Reply 7
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by meenu89but we only left the EU under Boris after his election win. Theresa May is also to blame
Yeah but we could have avoided it if Cameron hadn’t called the referendum in the first place.
Reply 8
Of course we should rejoin. We knew it would be folly before the referendum.
Reply 9
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by meenu89No.
it has not turned out the way I thought it would, but that is the fault of Tory Governments since Boris
it has not turned out the way I thought it would, but that is the fault of Tory Governments since Boris
Brexiters attempting to abdicate any sense of personal responsibility for their poor voting decisions by blaming the Boris government is nonsensical. 74% of Leave voters voted Conservative in 2019. Brexiters were responsible for the Boris government.
Reply 10
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no. not so soon after leaving.
this is the problem. it's not so easy to just leave and rejoin the eu as the ordinary person might think.
'Not only do you have to comply with entry requirements on political and economic capacity to manage the effects of membership, but you also have to get the explicit approval of all existing member states and of the European Parliament.
'None of that is a given.
'As times passes, the UK is diverging from EU standards. Moreover, as a new applicant the UK would be obliged to commit to being part of those bits of the EU that it used to have opt-outs on, like the Euro, Schengen and various bits of justice and home affairs.'
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/five-reasons-why-rejoining-the-eu-is-a-difficult-path-to-follow/
'There might also be concerns that the UK’s historic ‘awkwardness’ would persist, in terms of not playing along with general expectations of constructive behaviour and not using ‘Brussels’ as a scapegoat for unpopular political choices. The EU might well ask itself, does it need another member that causes difficulties?'
this is the problem. it's not so easy to just leave and rejoin the eu as the ordinary person might think.
'Not only do you have to comply with entry requirements on political and economic capacity to manage the effects of membership, but you also have to get the explicit approval of all existing member states and of the European Parliament.
'None of that is a given.
'As times passes, the UK is diverging from EU standards. Moreover, as a new applicant the UK would be obliged to commit to being part of those bits of the EU that it used to have opt-outs on, like the Euro, Schengen and various bits of justice and home affairs.'
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/five-reasons-why-rejoining-the-eu-is-a-difficult-path-to-follow/
'There might also be concerns that the UK’s historic ‘awkwardness’ would persist, in terms of not playing along with general expectations of constructive behaviour and not using ‘Brussels’ as a scapegoat for unpopular political choices. The EU might well ask itself, does it need another member that causes difficulties?'
Reply 11
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by Gazpacho.Brexiters attempting to abdicate any sense of personal responsibility for their poor voting decisions by blaming the Boris government is nonsensical. 74% of Leave voters voted Conservative in 2019. Brexiters were responsible for the Boris government.
I am not abdicating any responsibility for the decision or my vote in 2019 to enforce the referendum. given the same choice now I would still vote to Leave
(edited 10 months ago)
Reply 12
Yes, but we're a total liability. I can see us being welcomed back relatively easily, as its a huge show of faith in the EU overall for the one who left to come crawling back, but there's lots of people on each side who would want to to see it fail.
The way we carried out that referendum was stupid and should never have went ahead, we let way too much jingoism and misinformation into it.
The way we carried out that referendum was stupid and should never have went ahead, we let way too much jingoism and misinformation into it.
Reply 13
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by meenu89I am not abdicating any responsibility for the decision or my vote in 2019 to enforce the referendum. given the same choice now I would still vote to Leave
Then stop blaming Boris Johnson for the very outcome you voted for.
Reply 14
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If lib dem somehow managed to get into power then I think we might rejoin the EU, otherwise it is basicly impossible for at least a while
Reply 15
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by Gazpacho.Then stop blaming Boris Johnson for the very outcome you voted for.
They are to blame if they didn't do their job properly.
It doesn't help our politicians happily used the EU as an excuse for their bad policies.
It's the same with Canada and America or Scotland and the rest of the UK.
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by TheStupidMoonThey are to blame if they didn't do their job properly.
It doesn't help our politicians happily used the EU as an excuse for their bad policies.
It's the same with Canada and America or Scotland and the rest of the UK.
It doesn't help our politicians happily used the EU as an excuse for their bad policies.
It's the same with Canada and America or Scotland and the rest of the UK.
Thank you for so neatly vindicating my point.
Boris Johnson was not an unknown quantity when he became PM. He had a proven track record of dishonesty and it was obvious to all that beneath his bluster was a man of very limited substance. One has to be particularly naïve to expect such an individual to deliver on his promises and expect good governance yet people were stupid enough to fall for him. The electorate got the outcome they collectively voted for.
Anyway, which specific policies were you thinking of. The harm that Brexit inflicted on Britain was entire predictable before the Brexit referendum.
Reply 17
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by Gazpacho.Thank you for so neatly vindicating my point.
Boris Johnson was not an unknown quantity when he became PM. He had a proven track record of dishonesty and it was obvious to all that beneath his bluster was a man of very limited substance. One has to be particularly naïve to expect such an individual to deliver on his promises and expect good governance yet people were stupid enough to fall for him. The electorate got the outcome they collectively voted for.
Anyway, which specific policies were you thinking of. The harm that Brexit inflicted on Britain was entire predictable before the Brexit referendum.
Boris Johnson was not an unknown quantity when he became PM. He had a proven track record of dishonesty and it was obvious to all that beneath his bluster was a man of very limited substance. One has to be particularly naïve to expect such an individual to deliver on his promises and expect good governance yet people were stupid enough to fall for him. The electorate got the outcome they collectively voted for.
Anyway, which specific policies were you thinking of. The harm that Brexit inflicted on Britain was entire predictable before the Brexit referendum.
You either trust politicians to do a job or you don't. While I find anyone with any faith in any politician to be fully naïve it doesn’t make them responsible for the outcome of Brexit mainly because Brexit didn’t have to be a bad thing but was rather fumbled by those tasked with actioning it. As a remain voter my consternation with the leave voters is not from a position of making the wrong choice, since I'm fully aware of the EUs failings and issues, but rather for being so naïve as to think our politicians were capable of doing anything other than ineffectual squawking. It is unfair to say to leave voters “you knew this would happen” when they didn’t and without being entirely cynical about politicians (like me) they shouldn’t be expected to.
Reply 18
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by Gazpacho.Anyway, which specific policies were you thinking of. The harm that Brexit inflicted on Britain was entire predictable before the Brexit referendum.
Plenty of EU directives had leeway for their implementation by member states.
There was also the misreporting on them and the confusion between the EU charter of rights and the convention on human rights, which we're still in.
So the point is the public were misled by the government, behaving in a manner against the wishes of the public then pretending they had to do it because the EU said so or human rights said so when that wasn't the case.
Reply 19
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by DjtoodlesYou either trust politicians to do a job or you don't. While I find anyone with any faith in any politician to be fully naïve it doesn’t make them responsible for the outcome of Brexit mainly because Brexit didn’t have to be a bad thing but was rather fumbled by those tasked with actioning it. As a remain voter my consternation with the leave voters is not from a position of making the wrong choice, since I'm fully aware of the EUs failings and issues, but rather for being so naïve as to think our politicians were capable of doing anything other than ineffectual squawking. It is unfair to say to leave voters “you knew this would happen” when they didn’t and without being entirely cynical about politicians (like me) they shouldn’t be expected to.
The major outcomes of Brexit - a rise in non-EU migration, a rise in small boat crossings, a continuation of our economic stagnation - were a predictable and intrinsic consequence of Brexit that many of us spotted beforehand.
Whether Brexiters voted for Brexit fully aware that these would be the outcomes or if they gullibly swallowed the populist nonsense fed to them by establishment politicians like Johnson, Farage, Gove, etc. or large elements of the establishment press, is irrelevant. They are still responsible for their voting choice and thus the outcomes of Brexit.
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