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Senior maths challenge vs intermediate olympiad

Which is harder, in your opinion?

Reply 1

I did intermediate challenge and senior maths challenge, even without any preparation I got bronze in both, I assume intermediate Olympiad is probably harder then senior maths challenge

Reply 2

Btw, its fine to do these 'competitions' etc, but just be aware that they are not going to make any difference to your UCAS application - whatever your school tries to tell you. Unis generally just ignore them, simply because not all schools can offer this and because in their eyes it doesn't actually mean you will be a 'better student' at University.

Reply 3

Original post
by McGinger
Btw, its fine to do these 'competitions' etc, but just be aware that they are not going to make any difference to your UCAS application - whatever your school tries to tell you. Unis generally just ignore them, simply because not all schools can offer this and because in their eyes it doesn't actually mean you will be a 'better student' at University.


Man, I did loads of competitions and virtual work experience, thinking it would boost my UCAS application. I think they do boost as they are super-curricular activities and related to my uni course

Reply 4

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by Shankie
Man, I did loads of competitions and virtual work experience, thinking it would boost my UCAS application. I think they do boost as they are super-curricular activities and related to my uni course

First of all, I am not your 'Man', and secondly what evidence do you have that they made any difference to your University application.

Reply 5

Original post
by McGinger
First of all, I am not your 'Man', and secondly what evidence do you have that they made any difference to your University application.


Sorry about that. I just meant it casually.
About the competitions and work experience they come under super-curricular activities. When an Oxford representative visited my college, they said they focus a lot on super-curriculars in the personal statement. My principal, who studied at Oxford, also told us the same.

Reply 6

Original post
by Shankie
I did intermediate challenge and senior maths challenge, even without any preparation I got bronze in both, I assume intermediate Olympiad is probably harder then senior maths challenge

What about intermediate olympiad vs senior kangaroo?

Reply 7

Original post
by Muu9
What about intermediate olympiad vs senior kangaroo?


Some people at my college did those competitions and got into outreach programmes run by Oxford and Cambridge (some even got into the residential ones). When I applied for these programmes, I mentioned all the competitions and work experience I had done, and I got into the Oxford and Bath residentials. One of the big benefits is that it’s completely free (they cover accommodation, food, and travel). Also, for some universities like Bath, doing these programmes can lead to a reduced offer (not for Oxbridge though). My advice : If U get a chance to do those competitions then don't hesitate and do it, it might benefit U in future.

Reply 8

Original post
by Shankie
Sorry about that. I just meant it casually.
About the competitions and work experience they come under super-curricular activities. When an Oxford representative visited my college, they said they focus a lot on super-curriculars in the personal statement. My principal, who studied at Oxford, also told us the same.

Universities will be more impressed by evidence of your interest in the degree subject that relies on your own initiative, not just 'my school told me to'. Unis are very aware that not all applicants come from the sort of school that enables this, another reason to just ignore 'medals'.

Your PS is not just a list of 'things I've done'. Its how you reflect on any additional stuff you have done and what you have learnt from it that has shifted your intellectual intrigue beyond just the A level syllabus that is important, and how you explain this in your PS. 'I got a bronze in a Maths competition' doesn't show this, and doesnt mark you out as being in any way different to all the others who did it.

Reply 9

Original post
by McGinger
Universities will be more impressed by evidence of your interest in the degree subject that relies on your own initiative, not just 'my school told me to'. Unis are very aware that not all applicants come from the sort of school that enables this, another reason to just ignore 'medals'.
Your PS is not just a list of 'things I've done'. Its how you reflect on any additional stuff you have done and what you have learnt from it that has shifted your intellectual intrigue beyond just the A level syllabus that is important, and how you explain this in your PS. 'I got a bronze in a Maths competition' doesn't show this, and doesnt mark you out as being in any way different to all the others who did it.

Thanks for the advice. I understand your point and I agree it's important to reflect properly, not just list activities. I just see competitions and work experience as ways to deepen my interest in the subject I want to study at university, which I can then reflect on in my PS. I'll keep your advice in mind when writing it. Appreciate you taking the time to explain.

Reply 10

@McGinger
I thought virtual work experience can help with applications if it's relevant what you want to study, eg: something on sustainability if you want to go into geography or env sci. Is that not the case?
As for maths challenges, I agree but I think they may still have some value if you do exceptionally well in the later rounds.

Reply 11

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by DerDracologe
I thought virtual work experience can help with applications if it's relevant what you want to study, eg: something on sustainability if you want to go into geography or env sci. Is that not the case?
As for maths challenges, I agree but I think they may still have some value if you do exceptionally well in the later rounds.

The main value is for oxbridge++ type mathsy applications where there is an entrance exam and possibly an interview. So really its just practicing "harder" elementary maths questions (which is rarely a bad thing). However, doing some harder questions can hopefully open the door to find out things beyond the normal curriculum as long as you dont just treat them as a once a year slog for 2 hrs. So theyre worth mentioning on a ps but more in the context of what you learnt (for oxbridge++ applications), rather than just I got this level.

Reply 12

Original post
by DerDracologe
@McGinger
I thought virtual work experience can help with applications if it's relevant what you want to study, eg: something on sustainability if you want to go into geography or env sci. Is that not the case?
As for maths challenges, I agree but I think they may still have some value if you do exceptionally well in the later rounds.

Cambridge Supercurriculars - good for all Unis - super-curricular_suggestions.pdf
How to incorporate this stuff into your PS - Guide-to-Super-curriculars.pdf

Reply 13

Original post
by McGinger
Btw, its fine to do these 'competitions' etc, but just be aware that they are not going to make any difference to your UCAS application - whatever your school tries to tell you. Unis generally just ignore them, simply because not all schools can offer this and because in their eyes it doesn't actually mean you will be a 'better student' at University.

they do help your personal statement, which can make an Oxbridge interview more likely, no?

Reply 14

Original post
by Shankie
Some people at my college did those competitions and got into outreach programmes run by Oxford and Cambridge (some even got into the residential ones). When I applied for these programmes, I mentioned all the competitions and work experience I had done, and I got into the Oxford and Bath residentials. One of the big benefits is that it’s completely free (they cover accommodation, food, and travel). Also, for some universities like Bath, doing these programmes can lead to a reduced offer (not for Oxbridge though). My advice : If U get a chance to do those competitions then don't hesitate and do it, it might benefit U in future.

The initial training camp requires strong performance on BMO 1 in years 10 or 11 to qualify, correct?

Reply 15

Original post
by McGinger
Cambridge Supercurriculars - good for all Unis - super-curricular_suggestions.pdf
How to incorporate this stuff into your PS - Guide-to-Super-curriculars.pdf

The UKMT competitions are listed there

Reply 16

Original post
by Muu9
The UKMT competitions are listed there

Whats the reason for the question about the relative difficulty of the different comps? Its easy to just do a paper and see which you think. Personally, theyre different formats, smc has a wider range of question difficulty as it is designed to be done by a wider range of kids. Intermediate olympiad (maclaurin) is probably harder to get an equivalent score.

For the ukmt comps on a ps, yes they can be mentioned though putting down what you achieved shouldnt take more than a liine or two. For oxbridge++ maths, theyd probably like to see some discussion of what you did yourself, so whether you read about proofs, diophantine/integer stuff, divisibility/remainders/congruence, ... as that demonstrates an interest and a certain degree of self motivation.

As for making an oxbridge interview more likely, cambridge interviews a relatively high proportion of applicants. Oxford would place a higher importance on the mat score (which will be more important than the smc, for instance). Both unis partially rely on your academic profile, but if youre doing olympiads, youre likely to have done a significant amount of other stuff that demonstrates your interest. Getting a gold or not on the smc will probably be lost in the noise and kids get interviewed who dont mention ukmt comps at all on a ps.
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