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Is doing maths a-level early bad for top unis?

So in my school if you pick further maths you do maths at the end of year 12 (I'm doing it in a few weeks). Is this a disadvantage for top unis - apparently some want you to do all your A-levels at once? I'll still be taking 3 A-levels (inc. fm) at the end of year 13.

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Reply 1

Depends what do you get in maths. Doing four is always a disadvantage so I think you should drop one of the other three if you can

Reply 2

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by bumba123
So in my school if you pick further maths you do maths at the end of year 12 (I'm doing it in a few weeks). Is this a disadvantage for top unis - apparently some want you to do all your A-levels at once? I'll still be taking 3 A-levels (inc. fm) at the end of year 13.

If its what your school normally does (and a reasonable number do this), there should be no disadvantage.

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by bumba123
So in my school if you pick further maths you do maths at the end of year 12 (I'm doing it in a few weeks). Is this a disadvantage for top unis - apparently some want you to do all your A-levels at once? I'll still be taking 3 A-levels (inc. fm) at the end of year 13.

It won't be a problem because you are still taking 3 A-levels next year. Some unis want to ensure that their students can cope with a heavy workload.
Original post
by bumba123
So in my school if you pick further maths you do maths at the end of year 12 (I'm doing it in a few weeks). Is this a disadvantage for top unis - apparently some want you to do all your A-levels at once? I'll still be taking 3 A-levels (inc. fm) at the end of year 13.

As long as you get the required grades, then it doesnt matter if you have taken one a year early.
Quite a few 6th forms do it where people doing both do maths in year 12 an further maths in year 13.
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by solitary-dispute
Depends what do you get in maths. Doing four is always a disadvantage so I think you should drop one of the other three if you can

How is doing 4 always a disadvantage?
As long as you get the grades then there is no issue.
Quite a few 6th forms do it where people doing both do maths in year 12 and further maths in year 13.

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by Emma:-)
How is doing 4 always a disadvantage?
As long as you get the grades then there is no issue.
Quite a few 6th forms do it where people doing both do maths in year 12 and further maths in year 13.

Sorry of my wording. doing 4 means you have less time to revise the other subjects and you are basically learning a 2 year qualification in 1 year (further maths) so that you place yourself in a disadvantage by doing 2 other subjects

Reply 7

unis like A*AA more than AAAA so you shouldn't waste your time doing 4 instead of 3

Reply 8

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by bumba123
So in my school if you pick further maths you do maths at the end of year 12 (I'm doing it in a few weeks). Is this a disadvantage for top unis - apparently some want you to do all your A-levels at once? I'll still be taking 3 A-levels (inc. fm) at the end of year 13.

Shouldn't be any problems as long as you get your desired grade (presumably A*) in regular maths now, although I don't see why the school doesn't let you do it in year 13 instead. No university will disadvantage you for doing 4 A-Levels, as long as you can handle further maths year 2.

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by solitary-dispute
unis like A*AA more than AAAA so you shouldn't waste your time doing 4 instead of 3
As of yet I have not noticed this supposed extra pressure of doing 4. Besides, our school doesn't let us drop one if we do fm
Original post
by bumba123
So in my school if you pick further maths you do maths at the end of year 12 (I'm doing it in a few weeks). Is this a disadvantage for top unis - apparently some want you to do all your A-levels at once? I'll still be taking 3 A-levels (inc. fm) at the end of year 13.

It can be a disadvantage if you're only doing 3 A-levels (i.e. maths/FM/something else) and you do maths in year 12, and thus only take exams for 2 of your A-levels in year 13. Some universities/courses want to see that you have taken a full set of exams for 3 A-levels in one sitting - in which case if your school offers maths as described, you would need to plan to take 4.


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by solitary-dispute
unis like A*AA more than AAAA so you shouldn't waste your time doing 4 instead of 3


This is true, although for universities/courses which don't accept less than 3 A-levels worth of exams in one sitting you rule yourself out of applying there entirely by not doing 4 so one would be forced to take 4 realistically in that case.

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by solitary-dispute
Depends what do you get in maths. Doing four is always a disadvantage so I think you should drop one of the other three if you can


As far as admissions purposes goes, taking 4 certainly doesn't confer an advantage (no bonus points for extra A-levels) but a lack of an advantage doesn't necessarily imply a disadvantage.

Technically speaking it's only a disadvantage if taking 4 would overstretch the candidate and they'd get weaker grades across the board. Granted I think that is quite common and so it's not generally recommended, although alongside maths/FM is probably the most reasonable time to take a 4th due to the synergy between those two subjects.

In this specific case though OP may need to plan around taking 4 if they wish to take FM or limit some of their potential options.

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by artful_lounger
It can be a disadvantage if you're only doing 3 A-levels (i.e. maths/FM/something else) and you do maths in year 12, and thus only take exams for 2 of your A-levels in year 13. Some universities/courses want to see that you have taken a full set of exams for 3 A-levels in one sitting - in which case if your school offers maths as described, you would need to plan to take 4.
This is true, although for universities/courses which don't accept less than 3 A-levels worth of exams in one sitting you rule yourself out of applying there entirely by not doing 4 so one would be forced to take 4 realistically in that case.
As far as admissions purposes goes, taking 4 certainly doesn't confer an advantage (no bonus points for extra A-levels) but a lack of an advantage doesn't necessarily imply a disadvantage.
Technically speaking it's only a disadvantage if taking 4 would overstretch the candidate and they'd get weaker grades across the board. Granted I think that is quite common and so it's not generally recommended, although alongside maths/FM is probably the most reasonable time to take a 4th due to the synergy between those two subjects.
In this specific case though OP may need to plan around taking 4 if they wish to take FM or limit some of their potential options.

I am taking 4, I won't drop one, and I'm not worried about my grades. I'm just worried about a phrase from the LSE website 'we prefer students who have achieved high grades in their first attempt (and in one sitting)'. Does this refer to retakes or also people who have done it an exam a year early, and do other unis share this sentiment?

Reply 12

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by bumba123
I am taking 4, I won't drop one, and I'm not worried about my grades. I'm just worried about a phrase from the LSE website 'we prefer students who have achieved high grades in their first attempt (and in one sitting)'. Does this refer to retakes or also people who have done it an exam a year early, and do other unis share this sentiment?

If you get an A* in year 12, you're in the best possible position, you have an actual exam to prove your high grade instead of just a predicted.
If you get an A in year 12, I imagine it's still workable but they'll be doubting if you can get an A* in further maths, since it's very difficult unless you're already obliterating regular maths in year 12.

Get less than an A in year 12 and it's joever.

Reply 13

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by Phelena
If you get an A* in year 12, you're in the best possible position, you have an actual exam to prove your high grade instead of just a predicted.
If you get an A in year 12, I imagine it's still workable but they'll be doubting if you can get an A* in further maths, since it's very difficult unless you're already obliterating regular maths in year 12.
Get less than an A in year 12 and it's joever.

Now I'm going to curse myself, but I would be pretty disappointed if I get an A. Thank you for the encouragement!
Original post
by bumba123
I am taking 4, I won't drop one, and I'm not worried about my grades. I'm just worried about a phrase from the LSE website 'we prefer students who have achieved high grades in their first attempt (and in one sitting)'. Does this refer to retakes or also people who have done it an exam a year early, and do other unis share this sentiment?

Both - "in their first attempt" indicates a preference for students who don't resit, and "in one sitting" suggests a preference for students to take their exams together.

That said since the format you describe is very format for maths teaching I think given you are taking 4 A-levels I don't think it's going to disadvantage you at LSE - you can always contact them to check though :smile:

Reply 15

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by bumba123
So in my school if you pick further maths you do maths at the end of year 12 (I'm doing it in a few weeks). Is this a disadvantage for top unis - apparently some want you to do all your A-levels at once? I'll still be taking 3 A-levels (inc. fm) at the end of year 13.

hi there!

As long as you meet the requirements of your offer, both in subject and grades, accompanied by a strong personal statement - you will be fine!

Kind regards, Jenifer (Kingston rep)

Reply 16

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by solitary-dispute
Sorry of my wording. doing 4 means you have less time to revise the other subjects and you are basically learning a 2 year qualification in 1 year (further maths) so that you place yourself in a disadvantage by doing 2 other subjects

No, this is totally normal for Maths/FMaths and many students cope really well in my experience.

Reply 17

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by solitary-dispute
unis like A*AA more than AAAA so you shouldn't waste your time doing 4 instead of 3

Completely wrong if two of the four are Maths/FMaths you should take 4. [Yes normally A*AA would be better but not if you need 4 because you are doing Maths/FMaths]
(edited 9 months ago)

Reply 18

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by Muttley79
Completely wrong if two of the four are Maths/FMaths.
How so?

Reply 19

Original post
by bumba123
How so?

What you are doing is absolutely fine - I was replying to the poster who says 4 is not sensible.

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