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Reply 1
It's hard to say. Oxbridge applicants on average have better grades than LSE applicants.
Reply 2
11.5 per place at LSE
3.5 at oxford
3.8 cambridge
Reply 3
nas7232
11.5 per place at LSE
3.5 at oxford
3.8 cambridge


It's only per place, not per offer. So out of the 11.5 people, maybe 10 people were given offers, but they decide go to other universities e.g. Oxbridge. Whereas with Oxbridge, I would guess that 99% of people would choose it as first choice.
Reply 4
Surely competitiveness cannot be measured crudely in terms of simply numbers, as someone mentioned before just because Oxbridge has less applicants per place, if all the applicants are of a high standard competition is stiffer there. For instance offers from Oxbridge are all AAA/AAB whereas at LSE offers can be significantly lower, indicating a slightly lower calibre of applicant for some courses at LSE.
Reply 5
I'd agree there, i would say taht Oxbridge is more competitive, simply from the view that the best of the best in this country (and many from abroad) apply there, whereas i know quite a few who didnt apply to oxbridge but did to LSE.
For law there is something ridiculous like 20 people per place at Manchester, and 3000 applicants for Law at Bristol for 145 places.
Reply 7
Splinter
I'd agree there, i would say taht Oxbridge is more competitive, simply from the view that the best of the best in this country (and many from abroad) apply there, whereas i know quite a few who didnt apply to oxbridge but did to LSE.


I would have to say 3rd most competative in England.

According to "Times Good Uni. guide 2004:"

" Only oxford and cambridge have higher entry standards" (pg. 352)

Overall my University ranking would be:

1) Oxbridge
3) Imperiel/LSE (as they do the complete opposite in courses.)
5) UCL
Phil23
hi,

Does anyone think that LSE is the most competitive uni in teh UK, more so than oxbridge; I'm hearing weird stuff, and reading obsurd stats of applications to places ratios etc,

what do you all say?

LSE has about 4 times as many applicants per place as Oxbridge.
Reply 9
moma545
i think the ranking depends on the category

i guess i'm excluding lse. lse seems to be tops in areas like econ and math. however, it does not have as broad a range of courses available as the other universities that i have listed in my informal ranking.


According to the World League tables (compiled by Times) LSE is:

2nd for social science and only second to Harvard (Eco, Law, Business, Poltiics, etc)

10th in the world for Humanities (hist, etc.)

But not ranked for the remaining science and computing league tables

As a result i think your ranking for science is correct but LSE has to be one of the best is the world for sociel sciences and art.
Reply 10
an Siarach
LSE has about 4 times as many applicants per place as Oxbridge.


As ive said before, this statistic means very little.
Reply 11
This yr, LSE received 17 000 applicants for around 1 000 places.
I would say it is pretty competative. However Oxford and Cambridge will still be harder to get into.
Reply 12
moma545
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i guess i'm excluding lse. lse seems to be tops in areas like econ and math.

Maths? :confused:
Reply 13
HamaL
This yr, LSE received 17 000 applicants for around 1 000 places.
I would say it is pretty competative. However Oxford and Cambridge will still be harder to get into.


Where did you get this stat?
Reply 14
TheWolf
Where did you get this stat?


I'd wager at least one nought too many in either case; although, incidentally, the ratio remains the same :rolleyes:
Reply 15
moma545
well, i don't know about maths. i guess tops in maths would be trinity college cambridge or imperial?

sorry for the weird lingo, americans say math rather than maths. i guess that's going to change for me soon.


for Maths there r alot of unis better than LSE. LSE have a rather Undergunded and small maths department (12 lecturers inc 2 professors i think). LSE 'd rather spend their money on subjects that they are good at e.g. social sciences. They have the maths department there just for the sake of their Economics course.
I think u'll find theres unis like Oxbridge,Imperial,Warwick,UCL etc.. ahead of LSE for Mathematics.
Reply 16
TheWolf
Where did you get this stat?


UG admissions - my mate rang them and he was told about their *NEW* 17:1 application: place ratio.
Reply 17
HamaL
UG admissions - my mate rang them and he was told about their *NEW* 17:1 application: place ratio.


To be honest i think you can only declare LSE to be the most competative in Social Sciences and Humanities; they don't specialise in any other areas so of course it won't be the best in ICT, French, etc.

Reputation or employabilty, which i rank as most important, their is only one rival which is Imperial. The World League table (Times) unlike the national one (Times and Guardian) is compiled by citations, peer reviews by scholars and students and we see LSE 4th in Europe. But i guess this is going on a slight tangent.
Reply 18
tiantang
To be honest i think you can only declare LSE to be the most competative in Social Sciences and Humanities; they don't specialise in any other areas so of course it won't be the best in ICT, French, etc.

Reputation or employabilty, which i rank as most important, their is only one rival which is Imperial. The World League table (Times) unlike the national one (Times and Guardian) is compiled by citations, peer reviews by scholars and students and we see LSE 4th in Europe. But i guess this is going on a slight tangent.



LSE may get more applicants but they also make more offers. Oxford'd maybe make 11 or 12 offers for 10 places, whereas LSE may have to make 20 offers for 10 places. Demand elasticity :biggrin:
an Siarach
LSE has about 4 times as many applicants per place as Oxbridge.


Good point. And the difference in A Level grades is very small, and far more LSE students are admitted as 'mature' with old A Levels, so that their formal A Level grades are effectively discounted by LSE, and an awful lot of LSE undergrads are overseas so they will have qualifications other than A Levels. To get a true comparison you'd have to break the figures down so that you're comparing like with like: ie non-mature school leavers with only A Levels as qualifications. Even then the slightly higher A Levels grades at Oxbridge are offset by the fact that they have a much smaller pool of applicants, the difference in grades achieved (as opposed to offered) is a very small percentage, however the percentage difference is appliacations is enormous, so yes, on this basis LSE is harder to get into.

One other point just to wind up all the Oxbridge worshippers - LSE's students in general are better qualified - more of them are postgraduates with degrees already! (I'm sure I'll get a lot of neg rep for that!)...