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(Original post by tiantang)
To be honest i think you can only declare LSE to be the most competative in Social Sciences and Humanities; they don't specialise in any other areas so of course it won't be the best in ICT, French, etc.

Reputation or employabilty, which i rank as most important, their is only one rival which is Imperial. The World League table (Times) unlike the national one (Times and Guardian) is compiled by citations, peer reviews by scholars and students and we see LSE 4th in Europe. But i guess this is going on a slight tangent.
You forgot to mention the table puts LSE second best in the world for social sciences, ahead of Oxbridge, and given that this is what LSE was created for- social sciences, surely that's what matters...
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Surely competitiveness cannot be measured crudely in terms of simply numbers, as someone mentioned before just because Oxbridge has less applicants per place, if all the applicants are of a high standard competition is stiffer there. For instance offers from Oxbridge are all AAA/AAB whereas at LSE offers can be significantly lower, indicating a slightly lower calibre of applicant for some courses at LSE.
Offers are not the same as acceptances. There is actually very little difference, the average entry score is just a few per cent behind Oxbridge - in itself it is statistically insignificant, and largely explained by different policies towards mature and disadvantaged students who will be admitted with lower grades: come to that only a very small number of LSE students are admitted on A Levels, because of high numbers of postgraduates, mature students and overseas students. What really is significant is that LSE picks from a very much wider pool of people from across the globe, not just the home counties...
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As ive said before, this statistic means very little.
As I've said before, it means a lot.
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This yr, LSE received 17 000 applicants for around 1 000 places.
I would say it is pretty competative. However Oxford and Cambridge will still be harder to get into.
I think TSR should give you a special prize: the highest number of anti-LSE posts...
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[QUOTE=moma545]i think the ranking depends on the category

for science, math and engineering:

1. cambridge
2. imperial
3. oxford

for arts and social sciences:

1. oxford
2. cambridge
3. ucl

i guess i'm excluding lse. lse seems to be tops in areas like econ and math.


I love that; 'i guess i'm excluding lse.' So on what basis have you arrived at this 'ranking'? Somehow I don't think it's based on years of careful research and reflection...
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(Original post by HamaL)
for Maths there r alot of unis better than LSE. LSE have a rather Undergunded and small maths department (12 lecturers inc 2 professors i think). LSE 'd rather spend their money on subjects that they are good at e.g. social sciences. They have the maths department there just for the sake of their Economics course.
I think u'll find theres unis like Oxbridge,Imperial,Warwick,UCL etc.. ahead of LSE for Mathematics.
Yeah and there are few people who are ahead of Hamal in his worship of LSE..
Need someone to pick holes in the LSE rep? Need someone to be a bit picky about Houghton Street and to somehow always accentuate the negative? Hammy's yer man..

For the record, everything LSE does is social sciences, if they do maths they do social science maths, if they do history they teach it as social science (of course these subjects overlap into other categories, but often this is just administrative or arbitrary)..
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Yeah and there are few people who are ahead of Hamal in his worship of LSE..
Need someone to pick holes in the LSE rep? Need someone to be a bit picky about Houghton Street and to somehow always accentuate the negative? Hammy's yer man...
aww i'm sorry i upset you Hewins. But when LSE's good at something i say it, if they are not so good at something, again i say it. Plus i'd be the last person who'd wanna ***** about LSE's Maths Department

PQ: maybe *someone* in their Undergraduate admissions department exaggerated the figures
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It wouldn't surprise me....but why they would feel the need to is beyond me - there's only really LIPA (Liverpool Institute of Performing Arts - competetive in a completely different way) that has more intimidating apps/place figures.

Although I believe that if the restrictions were taken off Oxbridge applications (only applying to one or t'other and applying before 15 Oct - even for international students (who otherwise have until 30 June)) they would have similar or higher application/place ratios (and likewise if LSE was added to the Oxbridge duo application restrictions the apps/place ratio would drop right down).
I agree with you.*looks at Hewins getting ready to attack* :tsr:
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I am going to enter a very silly comment...
what if, lol, what if oxbridge dun do interviews? I think its the interviews that scared the people not to apply for places there, yet actually many people actually wanted a place in those uni.

Just a note, I was not one of those who got scared away, I actually didn't like Oxford after I went to visit it...
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(Original post by moma545)
i think the ranking depends on the category

for science, math and engineering:

1. cambridge
2. imperial
3. oxford

for arts and social sciences:

1. oxford
2. cambridge
3. ucl

i guess i'm excluding lse. lse seems to be tops in areas like econ and math. however, it does not have as broad a range of courses available as the other universities that i have listed in my informal ranking.
come on, oxford has got to be better than imperial college for maths, isn't it? :confused:
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Offers are not the same as acceptances. There is actually very little difference, the average entry score is just a few per cent behind Oxbridge - in itself it is statistically insignificant, and largely explained by different policies towards mature and disadvantaged students who will be admitted with lower grades: come to that only a very small number of LSE students are admitted on A Levels, because of high numbers of postgraduates, mature students and overseas students. What really is significant is that LSE picks from a very much wider pool of people from across the globe, not just the home counties...
I agree that the grades offered are not the same as the grades applicants attain. However as i have said before competitiveness is not simply the applicants per place, it surely must be based upon the quality of the applicants in terms of their actual and potential academic achievement. If someone is applying for PPE at Balliol there will be five extremely good candidates applying for every place, if that same candidate applies for Gov and Economics at LSE there will certainly be more applicants per place, but will it be harder to gain a place i.e. will it be more competitive? Of course it won't competition must be based of the strength of the other applicants. The average UCAS point entry for Oxford and Cambridge (including GS and AS) is 498 and 509 respectively, however for LSE it is only 446 points. Therefore LSE is not the most competitive university based on the difficulty of obtaining a place.
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I am going to enter a very silly comment...
what if, lol, what if oxbridge dun do interviews? I think its the interviews that scared the people not to apply for places there, yet actually many people actually wanted a place in those uni.

Just a note, I was not one of those who got scared away, I actually didn't like Oxford after I went to visit it...
THE INTERVIEWS were the coolest thing ever...i had a really pleasant experience and the interviewers were really friendly, unlike at KCL, and from what i've heard, at ucl :eek: .

I think this is putting people off..the rational in everyone...if thios bad experience in UCL, "what must oxbridge interviews be like", sort of perception,

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I agree that the grades offered are not the same as the grades applicants attain. However as i have said before competitiveness is not simply the applicants per place, it surely must be based upon the quality of the applicants in terms of their actual and potential academic achievement. If someone is applying for PPE at Balliol there will be five extremely good candidates applying for every place, if that same candidate applies for Gov and Economics at LSE there will certainly be more applicants per place, but will it be harder to gain a place i.e. will it be more competitive? Of course it won't competition must be based of the strength of the other applicants. The average UCAS point entry for Oxford and Cambridge (including GS and AS) is 498 and 509 respectively, however for LSE it is only 446 points. Therefore LSE is not the most competitive university based on the difficulty of obtaining a place.

intersting point you make. I sort of agree with this too. Generally, if someone is good enough for oxbridge, then they are good enough for imperial, UCL or LSE, aren't they? As a result, they'd be better than a large majority of the applicants, so will be more likely to get an offer...ignoring the official statistics. I mean, this is what i think, thinking about the applications /offer procedure.
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This yr, LSE received 17 000 applicants for around 1 000 places.
I would say it is pretty competative. However Oxford and Cambridge will still be harder to get into.
And that's because Oxbridge interview, whereas LSE doesn't. So you could be a boring nerd with straight As and get in to LSE, but not Oxbridge as their rigorous interviewing process makes sure of that . Obviously it's impossible for LSE to interview their applicants because a) due to sheer number of applicants and b) because a high proportian live overseas.

Edit: HamaL where did you get that statistic from? shi!t makes me even glad to have an offer...w00t! :thrasher: .
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So you could be a boring nerd with straight As and get in to LSE, but not Oxbridge as their rigorous interviewing process makes sure of that
I thought the whole idea of the Oxbridge interview process is to make sure you are a boring nerd? teehee
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I thought the whole idea of the Oxbridge interview process is to make sure you are a boring nerd? teehee
no its not...its about seeing whos actually got a life other than studying and stuff. I think they sort of hate nerds that only do their work, and are recluses, and do no extra curricular activities. The reason i sa this is that they always seem to ask about sport - well at oxford anyway. This is not only from my interviews, but others whom i talked to...therefore i shouldn't think it is just a coincidence.

as they "work hard and play hard" :thrasher:

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I thought the whole idea of the Oxbridge interview process is to make sure you are a boring nerd? teehee
He he, no of course it isn't. Oxbridge hates nerds, they're looking for well-rounded individuals and that doesn't necessarily mean having straight As in your exams.

BTW FeedTheFlamingo I'm doing IR at the LSE this Autumn too...(yes, I know you're already there)...
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very very close poll. Guess there is no right or wrong answer! Neutral
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hi,

Does anyone think that LSE is the most competitive uni in teh UK, more so than oxbridge; I'm hearing weird stuff, and reading obsurd stats of applications to places ratios etc,

what do you all say?
lol this isn't something that can be polled. Either it is the most competitive uni or its not.....there's no opinion in it!
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lol this isn't something that can be polled. Either it is the most competitive uni or its not.....there's no opinion in it!
I'm extremely biased because I will be an LSE student but even i can't say that LSE is btr than Oxbridge.
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