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Mark Thakkar
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...328336,00.html
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[q1]> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...328336,00.html[/q1]

Except I can't be arsed to sign up for the times - care to paste the article?

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Do you do marking over the summer? Sounds like it needs a lot of brainpower to me - I much prefer my
cushy IT job

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I don't actually remember signing up for The Times but I entered my standard username/password combo
and it worked:

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Exam board exposed for poor checks Will Iredale and Jonathan Calvert

THE government is to send a hit team into one of Britain's biggest GCSE and A-level exam boards
after a Sunday Times investigation found that it was failing to check the marks on thousands of
candidates' papers.

An undercover reporter — working at the London-based processing centre of the Edexcel board — found
practices that could cost candidates vital grades in public examinations.

The reporter discovered that Edexcel was breaching the official code of conduct for examining
boards, which requires it to check that the marks on every exam paper have been added up correctly.

The board was scrutinising only a sample percentage of exam papers to detect these marking errors.
By contrast, all the other English and Welsh examining boards say they check each one. The reporter
also witnessed part-time staff cutting corners by passing exam scripts whose total marks they were
supposed to have checked.

The findings will add to pressure on Edexcel, which has been criticised for making too many errors.
It has previously been threatened by the government with the loss of its licence unless it improves.

Yesterday the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority (QCA), which regulates exam boards, said it
would investigate the findings and require Edexcel to recheck all the papers that had passed through
without being scrutinised.

"The QCA does not condone any breach of the code of practice and we will be immediately
investigating the matter on Monday," said a spokesman. "We will instruct Edexcel to check all the
scripts that have been marked so far."

The education department expressed concern about the findings. "If this is the case, it is
disturbing. The QCA will act on it," it said.

Last year a quarter of A-level English students in one London school were marked down because of
clerical errors by Edexcel. One student was given 39 marks when the true total was 65 — the
difference between an E and a B grade.

Our investigation found that Edexcel makes no attempt to check all the exam papers, despite the code
of conduct regulated by the QCA which states: "All scripts must be checked for incomplete marking
and errors in totalling."

Staff were required to check only a random sample — about a quarter of the papers they were given.
If they found no mistakes, they could pass the rest without even looking at them. This meant that
errors could slip through the system.

Last week the other main examining boards — the AQA, the OCR and the WJEC — all confirmed that they
checked each of the exam papers. Edexcel claims that it introduced the random sampling method this
year in line with British Standard quality controls to improve its checking systems.

"It is more accurate than checking 100% of the scripts because it allows you to focus on the problem
areas," said Laurence Anderson, Edexcel's general manager of operations.

The claim was contradicted by Lord May, president of the Royal Society and a specialist in
statistics. "Any suggestion that it is better to look at a carefully designed sub-sample rather than
all the papers strikes me as arrant nonsense," he said.

The latest survey by leading private schools singles out Edexcel as the worst of the three exam
boards last summer. It said: "Schools have stated that Edexcel was unhelpful, uncommunicative,
unprofessional and discourteous (to the point of phones being hung up on staff)."
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I don't see what this has to do with summer jobs though.

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Alex Warren <[email protected]> wrote:
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[q1]> I don't see what this has to do with summer jobs though.[/q1]
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When do most public examinations take place... and therefore when do they get marked...

Indeed, Reed recruitment agency seemed to be after people yesterday, when I was walking through
Nottingham town centre

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[q1]> Last year a quarter of A-level English students in one London school[/q1]
were marked
[q1]> down because of clerical errors by Edexcel. One student was given 39[/q1]
marks when
[q1]> the true total was 65 - the difference between an E and a B grade.[/q1]
<snip>
[q1]> Staff were required to check only a random sample - about a quarter[/q1]
of the
[q1]> papers they were given. If they found no mistakes, they could pass[/q1]
the rest
[q1]> without even looking at them. This meant that errors could slip[/q1]
through the
[q1]> system.[/q1]
<snip>
[q1]> "It is more accurate than checking 100% of the scripts because it[/q1]
allows you to
[q1]> focus on the problem areas," said Laurence Anderson, Edexcel's[/q1]
general manager
[q1]> of operations.[/q1]

ROFL. I love that quote. Brilliant. 'Edexcel - Improving Accuracy By Reducing Precision'

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surely those taking the A-level exams can't do any marking or checking tho, can they?

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One student was given 39
[q1]> marks when[/q1]
[q2]> > the true total was 65 - the difference between an E and a B grade.[/q2]
[q1]> <snip>[/q1]
[q2]> > Staff were required to check only a random sample - about a quarter[/q2]
[q1]> of the[/q1]
[q2]> > papers they were given. If they found no mistakes, they could pass[/q2]
[q1]> the rest[/q1]

That is not right. Just looking at 25% of them. The other exam board look at every single one.

Edexcel. How could they be so sure that the other 75% of the papers were all correctly marked?

I still dont feel satisfied with my grades. I believe something did go wrong. But this summer should
prove to be very interesting.....

Edexcel exam board should lose its licence?

[q2]> > without even looking at them. This meant that errors could slip[/q2]
[q1]> through the[/q1]
[q2]> > system.[/q2]

Yep I strongly believe there were major errors. That have not been corrected. There are probabaly
hundreds of candidates with the incorrect grades.....

[q2]> > "It is more accurate than checking 100% of the scripts because it[/q2]
[q1]> allows you to[/q1]
[q2]> > focus on the problem areas[/q2]

It does'nt allow you to focus on problem areas. IT CREATES MAJOR PROBLEMS!!!!!. It is INACCURATE.

," said Laurence Anderson, Edexcel's
[q1]> general manager[/q1]
[q2]> > of operations.[/q2]
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[q1]> ROFL. I love that quote. Brilliant. 'Edexcel - Improving Accuracy By Reducing Precision'[/q1]
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:58:46 +0100, "John Gately aka Darius" <[email protected]> wrote:

[q1]>surely those taking the A-level exams can't do any marking or checking tho, can they?[/q1]

Why not? I imagine you'd have to disclose your interest, but there would certainly be nothing wrong
with you marking papers (assuming you were suitably qualified), on the grounds that the mark scheme
doesn't get to you as an examiner until after the paper is sat. Put it another way: examiners often
mark the paper sat by their students (although not the script, of course).

The chances of coming across your own paper when checking must be fairly remote. Depending on the
scrutinising system it might even be no advantage to.

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[q1]> surely those taking the A-level exams can't do any marking or checking[/q1]
tho,
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can you please stop top posting before i have to shoot you?

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Is it true that they're so desperate for examiners they're willing to pay them quite a lot of money?

How could I get one of these jobs?

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For A level it's not much, especially if you are conscientious. I'm lucky to get through three
scripts an hour for a three-essay type paper. You used to have to be a good honours graduate with at
least two years' experience of working on that particular syllabus (whichever one it is). I don't
know what the requirements are now......

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On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:06:58 +0100, "Ginnie Redston" <[email protected]> wrote:

[q1]>For A level it's not much, especially if you are conscientious. I'm lucky to get through three[/q1]
[q1]>scripts an hour for a three-essay type paper. You used to[/q1]

Whereas I can do a foundation tier GCSE paper in about 3 minutes each once I get steaming...

[q1]>have to be a good honours graduate with at least two years' experience of working on that[/q1]
[q1]>particular syllabus (whichever one it is). I don't know what the requirements are now......[/q1]

I believe that's still the ideal, but with the demand simply exploding there are big variations, as
far as I can make out, between departments. I might even mark some AS in Jan - just for a laugh...

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[q1]> Edexcel. How could they be so sure that the other 75% of the papers were all correctly marked?[/q1]

This has happened for years - except no-one bothered checking you just lumped it - most of a year
about 3 years above me at school got D's in history - turned out only one paper considered and they
all had As - they were all holding oxbridge, red brick offers and because it wasn't corrected until
october after much pressure they lost places and had to take a year out or find something else - how
frustrating!
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