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Original post by burberry_butter
Do you need commercial awareness?
I’ve already graduated uni and originally wanted to be a solicitor but now has realised I am much more suited to being a barrister.

What do you need? Help!

Thanks in advance everyone :smile:

What makes you think that you're more suited to being a barrister? Have you done any mini pupillages? What experience or knowledge do you have of what a barrister does and the skills that you need to work as a barrister? I only ask these things because you make it sound like you had this realisation somewhat on the spur of the moment, and before you do anything you need to make sure that it's a career path that you choose to pursue based on a critical assessment of your own ability and your realistic prospects of actually becoming a barrister. It is an exceptionally competitive career path and not one to be pursued lightly.

In answer to your questions, you become a barrister by doing the Bar Course (currently called the Bar Practice Course or BPC, but it's had various names over the years) and then securing pupillage with a barristers' chambers. Getting a place on the Bar Course is not difficult, but securing pupillage is extremely difficult and highly competitive. It requires a strong written application, actual skills and ability, and genuine tenacity. Yes, it does require commercial awareness to some degree, but not in the same way as is required for a solicitor. It's more an awareness of and an ability to speak to current legal issues and events. But that is one factor of many that goes into a successful application.

I'd suggest that you do some proper research on this career path, and gain some experience (most notable through mini pupillages) if you don't have it already, before you make any decisions as to what to do next. It's an expensive path to go down only to find that it's not realistic for you.

Reply 2

Original post by Crazy Jamie
What makes you think that you're more suited to being a barrister? Have you done any mini pupillages? What experience or knowledge do you have of what a barrister does and the skills that you need to work as a barrister? I only ask these things because you make it sound like you had this realisation somewhat on the spur of the moment, and before you do anything you need to make sure that it's a career path that you choose to pursue based on a critical assessment of your own ability and your realistic prospects of actually becoming a barrister. It is an exceptionally competitive career path and not one to be pursued lightly.
In answer to your questions, you become a barrister by doing the Bar Course (currently called the Bar Practice Course or BPC, but it's had various names over the years) and then securing pupillage with a barristers' chambers. Getting a place on the Bar Course is not difficult, but securing pupillage is extremely difficult and highly competitive. It requires a strong written application, actual skills and ability, and genuine tenacity. Yes, it does require commercial awareness to some degree, but not in the same way as is required for a solicitor. It's more an awareness of and an ability to speak to current legal issues and events. But that is one factor of many that goes into a successful application.
I'd suggest that you do some proper research on this career path, and gain some experience (most notable through mini pupillages) if you don't have it already, before you make any decisions as to what to do next. It's an expensive path to go down only to find that it's not realistic for you.

Hi Jamie,

I feel as though one of my strengths is definitely my ability to communicate and think on my feet. People often say I’m very confrontational and that I would make a great lawyer due to how I articulate myself. I realised that I do not want to be cooped up in an office, drafting and doing paperwork but rather having a job with more latitude. I feel as though I would enjoy it a lot more and it would be a lot more fulfilling for me.

Do you need commercial awareness if you were to specialise in an area such as medical negligence or employment law?

I only want to be lawyer temporarily as I need the money to pursue other endeavours I have planned. If it is as expensive as you say it is then I would rather pass and do something else like a paralegal.

What expenses are involved? Is there funding for such?
Original post by burberry_butter
I feel as though one of my strengths is definitely my ability to communicate and think on my feet. People often say I’m very confrontational and that I would make a great lawyer due to how I articulate myself. I realised that I do not want to be cooped up in an office, drafting and doing paperwork but rather having a job with more latitude. I feel as though I would enjoy it a lot more and it would be a lot more fulfilling for me.

Do you need commercial awareness if you were to specialise in an area such as medical negligence or employment law?

I only want to be lawyer temporarily as I need the money to pursue other endeavours I have planned. If it is as expensive as you say it is then I would rather pass and do something else like a paralegal.

What expenses are involved? Is there funding for such?

So, a few thoughts.

Communications skills and being able to think on your feet are obviously key skills for a barrister, but the skills that you need go far beyond that. It's fair to say that the job isn't office based, but again, there is more to it than it simply not being office based. It is hard work, stressful and there is a lot of pressure on you. As I said above, I would encourage you to do some mini pupillages and actually see and speak to barristers doing the job.

I wonder if we're talking at cross purposes about commercial awareness. Knowledge of what broadly is going on in the legal industry is something you should be able to build regardless of what type of lawyer you become. As I say, perhaps not in the same way as becoming a solicitor, but it is something that you need to secure pupillage, because pupillage interviews will involve answering questions, debating and engaging in discussions on current events in the legal word and notable legal issues. It doesn't mean you need an in depth, working knowledge of the law in those areas. But you need to be broadly aware of them and be able to discuss them. That is both being well read (something which you should be able to do irrespective) and being able to think and construct arguments and points on your feet.

If you're entering law for the money I would flat out not recommend that you become a barrister. If you want to make money, there are career routes that enable you to do that without the same degree of risk. There may well be a trade off between how interesting you find the work and how easy it is to get into that work, but these are the factors that you need to balance. There is something of a disconnect between wanting to be a barrister to make money, and just becoming a paralegal in the alternative. Paralegals earn relatively low wages. You can still save money working as a paralegal depending on other factors, but it's unlikely to be enough to fund significant endeavours. Barristers earn a lot more than paralegals, and indeed they usually earn notable more than solicitors of equivalent experience in the same practice area. So it does depend on what you want the money for and how much you need. Either way, I would really only recommend that you become a barrister if you want to be a barrister.

Your expenses at this stage are the Bar Course. I haven't looked up the latest fees, but it'll be somewhere around the £15,000 to £18,000 mark. If you don't get pupillage on or before the Bar Course (and most don't), you'll then need to find an alternative role, such as a paralegal or advocate, to build up the experience and skills you need to secure pupillage. Those roles, relatively speaking, are lower paid, so it's not so much the expense of doing those roles, because you'll be earning money, but more the risk of becoming stuck in lower paid employment without an obvious plan to progressing beyond securing pupillage. Some of those who don't go on to secure pupillage have managed to put themselves on alternative career paths, either inside the law or outside it, but for many they go through several years of pupillage applications and then essentially have to start again, and that's a difficult proposition. You can get scholarships to cover some or all of the cost of the Bar Course, but the larger scholarships are (as you might expect) extremely competitive.

Reply 4

Original post by Crazy Jamie
So, a few thoughts.
Communications skills and being able to think on your feet are obviously key skills for a barrister, but the skills that you need go far beyond that. It's fair to say that the job isn't office based, but again, there is more to it than it simply not being office based. It is hard work, stressful and there is a lot of pressure on you. As I said above, I would encourage you to do some mini pupillages and actually see and speak to barristers doing the job.
I wonder if we're talking at cross purposes about commercial awareness. Knowledge of what broadly is going on in the legal industry is something you should be able to build regardless of what type of lawyer you become. As I say, perhaps not in the same way as becoming a solicitor, but it is something that you need to secure pupillage, because pupillage interviews will involve answering questions, debating and engaging in discussions on current events in the legal word and notable legal issues. It doesn't mean you need an in depth, working knowledge of the law in those areas. But you need to be broadly aware of them and be able to discuss them. That is both being well read (something which you should be able to do irrespective) and being able to think and construct arguments and points on your feet.
If you're entering law for the money I would flat out not recommend that you become a barrister. If you want to make money, there are career routes that enable you to do that without the same degree of risk. There may well be a trade off between how interesting you find the work and how easy it is to get into that work, but these are the factors that you need to balance. There is something of a disconnect between wanting to be a barrister to make money, and just becoming a paralegal in the alternative. Paralegals earn relatively low wages. You can still save money working as a paralegal depending on other factors, but it's unlikely to be enough to fund significant endeavours. Barristers earn a lot more than paralegals, and indeed they usually earn notable more than solicitors of equivalent experience in the same practice area. So it does depend on what you want the money for and how much you need. Either way, I would really only recommend that you become a barrister if you want to be a barrister.
Your expenses at this stage are the Bar Course. I haven't looked up the latest fees, but it'll be somewhere around the £15,000 to £18,000 mark. If you don't get pupillage on or before the Bar Course (and most don't), you'll then need to find an alternative role, such as a paralegal or advocate, to build up the experience and skills you need to secure pupillage. Those roles, relatively speaking, are lower paid, so it's not so much the expense of doing those roles, because you'll be earning money, but more the risk of becoming stuck in lower paid employment without an obvious plan to progressing beyond securing pupillage. Some of those who don't go on to secure pupillage have managed to put themselves on alternative career paths, either inside the law or outside it, but for many they go through several years of pupillage applications and then essentially have to start again, and that's a difficult proposition. You can get scholarships to cover some or all of the cost of the Bar Course, but the larger scholarships are (as you might expect) extremely competitive.

Thank you!

Reply 5

Original post by burberry_butter
Hi Jamie,
I feel as though one of my strengths is definitely my ability to communicate and think on my feet. People often say I’m very confrontational and that I would make a great lawyer due to how I articulate myself. I realised that I do not want to be cooped up in an office, drafting and doing paperwork but rather having a job with more latitude. I feel as though I would enjoy it a lot more and it would be a lot more fulfilling for me.
Do you need commercial awareness if you were to specialise in an area such as medical negligence or employment law?
I only want to be lawyer temporarily as I need the money to pursue other endeavours I have planned. If it is as expensive as you say it is then I would rather pass and do something else like a paralegal.
What expenses are involved? Is there funding for such?


Hi, I just completed my time shadowing several different barristers at the criminal bar - and you should know they are also cooped up with paperwork. They spend a significant time in court but also spend the same amount of time out of court on paperwork. This is because pre to a sentencing, trial or hearing they need to draft opening statements and arguments ect and read the entirety of cases, and their case load can reach 12 hours a day. They work non stop and paper work dominates their job. So although yes, there is a practicality to their job and a need to communicate, also beware that your are going to be swamped with paperwork

Reply 6

Original post by thirsty-heft
Hi, I just completed my time shadowing several different barristers at the criminal bar - and you should know they are also cooped up with paperwork. They spend a significant time in court but also spend the same amount of time out of court on paperwork. This is because pre to a sentencing, trial or hearing they need to draft opening statements and arguments ect and read the entirety of cases, and their case load can reach 12 hours a day. They work non stop and paper work dominates their job. So although yes, there is a practicality to their job and a need to communicate, also beware that your are going to be swamped with paperwork

I understand and know that there is a written element to being a barrister but didn’t know it could reach up to 12 hours a day! I will need to take this into consideration. Thank you for letting me know.
Original post by burberry_butter
I understand and know that there is a written element to being a barrister but didn’t know it could reach up to 12 hours a day! I will need to take this into consideration. Thank you for letting me know.

As a barrister you are self employed, so you do have some flexibility as to when you do your work, but the workload is significant. Particularly early on in your career, you will have to do a hearing or trial, possibly involving travel to and from court, and then will have to come home and prepare your next case in the evening before going off to court again the next day. That sort of routine is common early on and involves long days.

That's not to say that you can't have a work life balance at the Bar. You can, and personally I feel like I have a very good work life balance. But there are two caveats to that. The first is that I have been doing this job for over 15 years now, and it is in part because of that experience and the relationships I have with my clerks that allows me to get that balance by proactively taking a lot more time off than I did when I was younger. The second is that even that doesn't insulate me from long working days. Even with me managing my workload, I do still have days and weeks that are incredibly intense, and put pressure on me and my wife, who obviously has to do more when it comes to the kids when I'm buried under work. I do have time to do other things, spend time with friends and family, and I make a point of going on several holidays a year with my wife and kids. But the trade off is those intense working weeks. There are very much peaks and troughs with this work even when you manage it well, and managing it well is something that takes time to figure out. It's why you really need to enjoy this job. If you do and can manage the lifestyle, you'll earn very good money, be engaged in satisfying work, and still get time to do other things. But if you do enjoy it, the risk of things like burnout become so much higher. Honestly if you don't enjoy this job I don't think you can really do it. The pressure and stress would just be too much if you didn't enjoy it.

Reply 8

Original post by burberry_butter
Hi Jamie,
I feel as though one of my strengths is definitely my ability to communicate and think on my feet. People often say I’m very confrontational and that I would make a great lawyer due to how I articulate myself. I realised that I do not want to be cooped up in an office, drafting and doing paperwork but rather having a job with more latitude. I feel as though I would enjoy it a lot more and it would be a lot more fulfilling for me.
Do you need commercial awareness if you were to specialise in an area such as medical negligence or employment law?
I only want to be lawyer temporarily as I need the money to pursue other endeavours I have planned. If it is as expensive as you say it is then I would rather pass and do something else like a paralegal.
What expenses are involved? Is there funding for such?



Being confrontational isn't necessarily a personality trait that will assist you in litigation. The ability to handle confrontation is important (barristers need very thick skins), but having a disposition towards aggression or being argumentative are not, by themselves, always good things for a lawyer. To use a military analogy (and litigation is sublimated warfare), a barrister must be a fearless warrior, but not a berserker killing machine.

Yes to intellectual rigour, critical reasoning power, and possession of a massive built in BS Detector, but no to being a stroppy person who likes a good row.

As someone said, to cross examine does not mean to examine crossly. The preferred weapon of the very best barristers is a rapier, not a bludgeon or a bazooka.

Commercial litigation involves vast (and I mean vast) amounts of working in an office, and vast (and I mean vast) amounts of paperwork, as well as court hearings. If you are not prepared to spend a sunny summer weekend or most of a Christmas holiday in your chambers reading thousands of pages of documents when drafting a hundred page pleading, or preparing for a court hearing, don't even think of becoming a commercial barrister. Commercial barristers are very well paid. The money is hard earned.

PS: Being a barrister requires a lot of independence of mind and the ability to check everything out yourself. I cannot help but notice that note that you didn't, it appears, carry out a Google search which would, in a few seconds, have produced several pages explaining how to become a barrister.

Reply 9

Original post by burberry_butter
I understand and know that there is a written element to being a barrister but didn’t know it could reach up to 12 hours a day! I will need to take this into consideration. Thank you for letting me know.

How many hours a did did you think barristers work in a week? How many of them billable hours?

Reply 10

Original post by Stiffy Byng
Being confrontational isn't necessarily a personality trait that will assist you in litigation. The ability to handle confrontation is important (barristers need very thick skins), but having a disposition towards aggression or being argumentative are not, by themselves, always good things for a lawyer. To use a military analogy (and litigation is sublimated warfare), a barrister must be a fearless warrior, but not a berserker killing machine.
Yes to intellectual rigour, critical reasoning power, and possession of a massive built in BS Detector, but no to being a stroppy person who likes a good row.
As someone said, to cross examine does not mean to examine crossly. The preferred weapon of the very best barristers is a rapier, not a bludgeon or a bazooka.
Commercial litigation involves vast (and I mean vast) amounts of working in an office, and vast (and I mean vast) amounts of paperwork, as well as court hearings. If you are not prepared to spend a sunny summer weekend or most of a Christmas holiday in your chambers reading thousands of pages of documents when drafting a hundred page pleading, or preparing for a court hearing, don't even think of becoming a commercial barrister. Commercial barristers are very well paid. The money is hard earned.
PS: Being a barrister requires a lot of independence of mind and the ability to check everything out yourself. I cannot help but notice that note that you didn't, it appears, carry out a Google search which would, in a few seconds, have produced several pages explaining how to become a barrister.

From the independent research I have gathered litigation is quite confrontational and I did not say anything about being ‘aggressive’ or having ‘a good row’ with someone.

The ironic thing here is that you’re always criticising people on TSR harshly and using such snarky and pedantic language to patronise them. You spend much more time articulating your criticism towards them rather than saying anything constructive. You ironically frequently seem interested in having a good row with someone on TSR.

As for me asking a thread on TSR on how to become barrister; like why would you even make an issue out of this? I wanted first hand information from uk barristers and had particular questions so that I could gain a cohesive understanding.

Please take your own advice and learn that there is a fine line between being rude and offering guidance.
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