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St Andrews or UCL for Psychology?

Hey guys! :smile:

Please can someone help me out.

I am lucky enough to have offers from both St Andrews and Psychology to study the MSc Psychology conversion programmes. Which one is better in your opinion and why? I am really struggling!

Some thoughts I have:-

UCL
+ Based in London which means I wouldn't have to move city
+ Strong global reputation and branding, with psychology ranking 6th worldwide at UCL
+ May be offered a 10,000 GBP scholarship (pending at the moment)
+ Psychology department has good industrial links with hospitals and psychological institutions such as Anna Freud Institute
+ Course is focused on clinical output and academia, which prepares you for the job as a psychologist as much as the theory behind it
+ High calibre of students, a lot of which tend to come from scientific backgrounds, peripheral to psychology such as neurology and biology
+ UCL has a DClinpsych doctorate and studying there would prepare me to understand the university and develop relationships should I decide to pursue further study
+ Multiple NHS roles within psychology use UCL as a training campus for roles such as Psychological Wellbeing practitioner etc
+ Extremely international university and city creating a diverse experience

- Based in London also means this is relatively expensive, there are a lot of distractions, and it's not a new space and place to get respite and focus on work
- Competition within cohort if likely to be very high. This can bring benefits to motivate, but also it can be exhausting and may be more difficult to achieve higher grades
- Good branding and reputation does not always equate to a good experience and satisfaction with course. UCL has incredibly low feedback from students, many of which state it can be isolating to study there due to the nature of London
- Whilst I could stay at my home, this also means I wouldn't benefit from the 'student experience'. It may feel like going to work, commuting for morning lectures within rush hour - i.e. spending more time moving then in lectures
- Large classes mean that lecturer/student ratio is quite low, which could result in making it difficult/more rigid and form to meet with lecturers

St Andrews
+ Have been offered a full scholarship covering tuition and accommodation
+ Offered a studio apartment within St Andrews itself. It is notoriously hard to get accommodation here
+ Strong reputation, ranking 1st / 2nd in UK overall in many national league tables
+ Has one of the the best psychology departments in the UK
+ Extremely small cohorts, between 10-15 people, creating an intimate environment with your lecturers (albeit you do study modules with final year psychology students, there are specific lecture breakouts for conversion students for extra support)
+ Small university makes it easier to create genuine connections and feel like you belong to a wider community
+ Less distractions with an emphasis on academic rigour, making it easier to concentrate and get work done
+ Term date breaks (i.e. in January getting 4-5 weeks off) mean that there are long vacation periods to rest, relax and catch-up with work

- Expensive town for what it is. St Andrews is incredibly small and due to the university demand and lack of supply, its quite a pricey place to live
- Around 20% of the university is American and whilst this isn't a negative in itself, I wonder if this will feel more like studying abroad rather than within the UK. In many ways St Andrews feels like a Harry Potter experience for Americans wanting a different and cheaper experience comparative to US Ivy League universities
- Lack of diversity in St Andrews resulting in a lot of similar lived experiences, mindsets and attitudes
- Isolated location means it is difficult to get to from any major city, and particularly stressful to move to from London. Visiting home would be a flight or a long train ride.
- Weather is quite dreadful in the region. Often it rains and it is windy. This can have an impact on your mood and mindset and also makes it difficult to live a more outdoor active lifestyle
- Not a lot of activities/things to do. Can feel 'trapped in', compared to places where a lot more is happening
- No medical school / links with hospitals (that I know of)

Thanks everyone! :smile:

Reply 1

Original post
by Anonymous
Hey guys! :smile:
Please can someone help me out.
I am lucky enough to have offers from both St Andrews and Psychology to study the MSc Psychology conversion programmes. Which one is better in your opinion and why? I am really struggling!
Some thoughts I have:-
UCL
+ Based in London which means I wouldn't have to move city
+ Strong global reputation and branding, with psychology ranking 6th worldwide at UCL
+ May be offered a 10,000 GBP scholarship (pending at the moment)
+ Psychology department has good industrial links with hospitals and psychological institutions such as Anna Freud Institute
+ Course is focused on clinical output and academia, which prepares you for the job as a psychologist as much as the theory behind it
+ High calibre of students, a lot of which tend to come from scientific backgrounds, peripheral to psychology such as neurology and biology
+ UCL has a DClinpsych doctorate and studying there would prepare me to understand the university and develop relationships should I decide to pursue further study
+ Multiple NHS roles within psychology use UCL as a training campus for roles such as Psychological Wellbeing practitioner etc
+ Extremely international university and city creating a diverse experience
- Based in London also means this is relatively expensive, there are a lot of distractions, and it's not a new space and place to get respite and focus on work
- Competition within cohort if likely to be very high. This can bring benefits to motivate, but also it can be exhausting and may be more difficult to achieve higher grades
- Good branding and reputation does not always equate to a good experience and satisfaction with course. UCL has incredibly low feedback from students, many of which state it can be isolating to study there due to the nature of London
- Whilst I could stay at my home, this also means I wouldn't benefit from the 'student experience'. It may feel like going to work, commuting for morning lectures within rush hour - i.e. spending more time moving then in lectures
- Large classes mean that lecturer/student ratio is quite low, which could result in making it difficult/more rigid and form to meet with lecturers
St Andrews
+ Have been offered a full scholarship covering tuition and accommodation
+ Offered a studio apartment within St Andrews itself. It is notoriously hard to get accommodation here
+ Strong reputation, ranking 1st / 2nd in UK overall in many national league tables
+ Has one of the the best psychology departments in the UK
+ Extremely small cohorts, between 10-15 people, creating an intimate environment with your lecturers (albeit you do study modules with final year psychology students, there are specific lecture breakouts for conversion students for extra support)
+ Small university makes it easier to create genuine connections and feel like you belong to a wider community
+ Less distractions with an emphasis on academic rigour, making it easier to concentrate and get work done
+ Term date breaks (i.e. in January getting 4-5 weeks off) mean that there are long vacation periods to rest, relax and catch-up with work
- Expensive town for what it is. St Andrews is incredibly small and due to the university demand and lack of supply, its quite a pricey place to live
- Around 20% of the university is American and whilst this isn't a negative in itself, I wonder if this will feel more like studying abroad rather than within the UK. In many ways St Andrews feels like a Harry Potter experience for Americans wanting a different and cheaper experience comparative to US Ivy League universities
- Lack of diversity in St Andrews resulting in a lot of similar lived experiences, mindsets and attitudes
- Isolated location means it is difficult to get to from any major city, and particularly stressful to move to from London. Visiting home would be a flight or a long train ride.
- Weather is quite dreadful in the region. Often it rains and it is windy. This can have an impact on your mood and mindset and also makes it difficult to live a more outdoor active lifestyle
- Not a lot of activities/things to do. Can feel 'trapped in', compared to places where a lot more is happening
- No medical school / links with hospitals (that I know of)
Thanks everyone! :smile:

St Andrews.

Reply 2

Original post
by Anonymous
Hey guys! :smile:
Please can someone help me out.
I am lucky enough to have offers from both St Andrews and Psychology to study the MSc Psychology conversion programmes. Which one is better in your opinion and why? I am really struggling!
Some thoughts I have:-
UCL
+ Based in London which means I wouldn't have to move city
+ Strong global reputation and branding, with psychology ranking 6th worldwide at UCL
+ May be offered a 10,000 GBP scholarship (pending at the moment)
+ Psychology department has good industrial links with hospitals and psychological institutions such as Anna Freud Institute
+ Course is focused on clinical output and academia, which prepares you for the job as a psychologist as much as the theory behind it
+ High calibre of students, a lot of which tend to come from scientific backgrounds, peripheral to psychology such as neurology and biology
+ UCL has a DClinpsych doctorate and studying there would prepare me to understand the university and develop relationships should I decide to pursue further study
+ Multiple NHS roles within psychology use UCL as a training campus for roles such as Psychological Wellbeing practitioner etc
+ Extremely international university and city creating a diverse experience
- Based in London also means this is relatively expensive, there are a lot of distractions, and it's not a new space and place to get respite and focus on work
- Competition within cohort if likely to be very high. This can bring benefits to motivate, but also it can be exhausting and may be more difficult to achieve higher grades
- Good branding and reputation does not always equate to a good experience and satisfaction with course. UCL has incredibly low feedback from students, many of which state it can be isolating to study there due to the nature of London
- Whilst I could stay at my home, this also means I wouldn't benefit from the 'student experience'. It may feel like going to work, commuting for morning lectures within rush hour - i.e. spending more time moving then in lectures
- Large classes mean that lecturer/student ratio is quite low, which could result in making it difficult/more rigid and form to meet with lecturers
St Andrews
+ Have been offered a full scholarship covering tuition and accommodation
+ Offered a studio apartment within St Andrews itself. It is notoriously hard to get accommodation here
+ Strong reputation, ranking 1st / 2nd in UK overall in many national league tables
+ Has one of the the best psychology departments in the UK
+ Extremely small cohorts, between 10-15 people, creating an intimate environment with your lecturers (albeit you do study modules with final year psychology students, there are specific lecture breakouts for conversion students for extra support)
+ Small university makes it easier to create genuine connections and feel like you belong to a wider community
+ Less distractions with an emphasis on academic rigour, making it easier to concentrate and get work done
+ Term date breaks (i.e. in January getting 4-5 weeks off) mean that there are long vacation periods to rest, relax and catch-up with work
- Expensive town for what it is. St Andrews is incredibly small and due to the university demand and lack of supply, its quite a pricey place to live
- Around 20% of the university is American and whilst this isn't a negative in itself, I wonder if this will feel more like studying abroad rather than within the UK. In many ways St Andrews feels like a Harry Potter experience for Americans wanting a different and cheaper experience comparative to US Ivy League universities
- Lack of diversity in St Andrews resulting in a lot of similar lived experiences, mindsets and attitudes
- Isolated location means it is difficult to get to from any major city, and particularly stressful to move to from London. Visiting home would be a flight or a long train ride.
- Weather is quite dreadful in the region. Often it rains and it is windy. This can have an impact on your mood and mindset and also makes it difficult to live a more outdoor active lifestyle
- Not a lot of activities/things to do. Can feel 'trapped in', compared to places where a lot more is happening
- No medical school / links with hospitals (that I know of)
Thanks everyone! :smile:

Was team ucl until I saw the full scholarship at St Andrews lol - St Andrews duhhh

Reply 3

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by majaxrose
Was team ucl until I saw the full scholarship at St Andrews lol - St Andrews duhhh

The choice is obvious.

Reply 4

Original post
by majaxrose
Was team ucl until I saw the full scholarship at St Andrews lol - St Andrews duhhh

aha 🙂 I completely see your point!

I suppose in my head I am wondering if I get the scholarship at UCL, my accommodation wouldn't be a problem in London as I could be at home for the year, so it would cost me around £4,000 more than St Andrews in total.

With that in mind, do you think UCL would be the better option? Really pulling my hair out here lol.

Of course, if I don't get scholarship at UCL I am 100% going to St Andrews - goes without saying 😅

Thanks so much both of you for replying - I appreciate it

Reply 5

Getting that £10k from UCL is very slim considering only 200 students will get it and so many people apply for it.

Reply 6

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by 1secondsofvamps
Getting that £10k from UCL is very slim considering only 200 students will get it and so many people apply for it.

very true! just trying to work on the premise that I do so that I have a bit of an action plan 🙂 - but yep youre so right, its super competitive!

Reply 7

Original post
by avrg93
aha 🙂 I completely see your point!
I suppose in my head I am wondering if I get the scholarship at UCL, my accommodation wouldn't be a problem in London as I could be at home for the year, so it would cost me around £4,000 more than St Andrews in total.
With that in mind, do you think UCL would be the better option? Really pulling my hair out here lol.
Of course, if I don't get scholarship at UCL I am 100% going to St Andrews - goes without saying 😅
Thanks so much both of you for replying - I appreciate it

Ah ok ok now this changes things aha! obvs don't know where you live but I assume you would still have some travel costs to get to ucl which could add up, plus then food and going out with friends is also very expensive too in London. So idk if that would add up to the £4k or not over the year? Plus I was in a similar decision as I didn't know if I wanted to live away in London or stay at home and commute (decided to live away in the end), but just consider that too as ik it seems very appealing to save money but it is also a very different uni experience too! (depends what you r comfortable with!).

I think if I wasn't fussed about the whole 'uni live away experience' and you do get the scholarship I would choose UCL - just because it is a very good uni which is well regarded and it is also in London. St Andrews is obviously really nice too but I just love London and being in a big city with lots to do.

Sorry this is so badly worded and laid out lol but also consider travel costs for St Andrews as well when you want to come home or visit friends etc! Hope this helps xx

Reply 8

Original post
by majaxrose
Ah ok ok now this changes things aha! obvs don't know where you live but I assume you would still have some travel costs to get to ucl which could add up, plus then food and going out with friends is also very expensive too in London. So idk if that would add up to the £4k or not over the year? Plus I was in a similar decision as I didn't know if I wanted to live away in London or stay at home and commute (decided to live away in the end), but just consider that too as ik it seems very appealing to save money but it is also a very different uni experience too! (depends what you r comfortable with!).
I think if I wasn't fussed about the whole 'uni live away experience' and you do get the scholarship I would choose UCL - just because it is a very good uni which is well regarded and it is also in London. St Andrews is obviously really nice too but I just love London and being in a big city with lots to do.
Sorry this is so badly worded and laid out lol but also consider travel costs for St Andrews as well when you want to come home or visit friends etc! Hope this helps xx

Thanks so much for your advice! the fact that you were in the same situation too - you completely get it aha. It's so overwhelming, but of course I feel super lucky too - so I am really trying to get it right.

Seems that moving into London really worked out for you which is so cool. I always wonder how much cooler London must be when you are not actually from there and are just temporarily visiting or living here. I guess for me this place drives me nuts at times, but obviously at other points I love it soooo much! It's that silly thing of the grass seeming to be green on the other side, then you get there and think hmm haha.

I guess for UCL I actually am a bit worried that because London is so big it might actually be counterintuitive in terms of meeting people and forming meaningful connections - with so many many people it can feel sop isolating maybe? Not to mention the universities low student satisfaction scores - that worries me a tad!

No worries with spelling - I completely understood 🙂

Reply 9

Visit both departments and get a feel for them. I am based in London and got into UCL but chose another university because I think the other uni will be much more approachable and supportive, and that is high on my priority. I also want to explore living in a different city. You may have other things you prioritise and you can sense which uni will be better at that.

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