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Do universities like people that have done the silver DofE award?

Hi, im currently in year 10 and have completed my silver DofE practice expedition, however, i hated it. I have really bad back pain, and the weight of the bag didnt help, i also, very smartly, injured my ankle on the 17k. I also found the experience bad as i had to share a tent with people im not really friends with (none of my close friends are doing DofE). I really hated the experience and honestly dont want to do it again, for the practice expedition i hired kit, my bag and sleeping bag, however my parents want to buy this equipment for the actual expedition. I dont know whether i should do it or not, my teacher leading the expedition even spoke to me privately asking if i still wanted to do it because she knew i had a bad experience. I really dont want the rest of my group to suffer because of me, so is it better for me not to do it? I can tell my parents i dont want to quite easily but im just wondering if its worth me doing it. Will universities care if i have the award?

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by skh123456789
Hi, im currently in year 10 and have completed my silver DofE practice expedition, however, i hated it. I have really bad back pain, and the weight of the bag didnt help, i also, very smartly, injured my ankle on the 17k. I also found the experience bad as i had to share a tent with people im not really friends with (none of my close friends are doing DofE). I really hated the experience and honestly dont want to do it again, for the practice expedition i hired kit, my bag and sleeping bag, however my parents want to buy this equipment for the actual expedition. I dont know whether i should do it or not, my teacher leading the expedition even spoke to me privately asking if i still wanted to do it because she knew i had a bad experience. I really dont want the rest of my group to suffer because of me, so is it better for me not to do it? I can tell my parents i dont want to quite easily but im just wondering if its worth me doing it. Will universities care if i have the award?

Not really, they much prefer your academic merit

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by skh123456789
Hi, im currently in year 10 and have completed my silver DofE practice expedition, however, i hated it. I have really bad back pain, and the weight of the bag didnt help, i also, very smartly, injured my ankle on the 17k. I also found the experience bad as i had to share a tent with people im not really friends with (none of my close friends are doing DofE). I really hated the experience and honestly dont want to do it again, for the practice expedition i hired kit, my bag and sleeping bag, however my parents want to buy this equipment for the actual expedition. I dont know whether i should do it or not, my teacher leading the expedition even spoke to me privately asking if i still wanted to do it because she knew i had a bad experience. I really dont want the rest of my group to suffer because of me, so is it better for me not to do it? I can tell my parents i dont want to quite easily but im just wondering if its worth me doing it. Will universities care if i have the award?

Hey! Sorry that you didn't like DofE, but from my experience universities really don't care that much about DofE, there's so many more useful things you can do with your time! I mostly did DofE because of the fun aspect, not so much the merit. Depending on your course, definitely try to apply for summer schools, work experiences, volunteering experiences, read books and watch videos on the degree you're hoping to study (a lot of them are free). Most people do these things in year 12 but I suppose it's good to get ahead. It's more about what you take from each experience and your reflections on them rather than what you actually did. Tbh most people do NCS and DofE so it doesn't really make you stand out. All in all, I would say don't force yourself to do something that you really don't want to do, it will do more harm than good. Good luck!

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by skh123456789
Hi, im currently in year 10 and have completed my silver DofE practice expedition, however, i hated it. I have really bad back pain, and the weight of the bag didnt help, i also, very smartly, injured my ankle on the 17k. I also found the experience bad as i had to share a tent with people im not really friends with (none of my close friends are doing DofE). I really hated the experience and honestly dont want to do it again, for the practice expedition i hired kit, my bag and sleeping bag, however my parents want to buy this equipment for the actual expedition. I dont know whether i should do it or not, my teacher leading the expedition even spoke to me privately asking if i still wanted to do it because she knew i had a bad experience. I really dont want the rest of my group to suffer because of me, so is it better for me not to do it? I can tell my parents i dont want to quite easily but im just wondering if its worth me doing it. Will universities care if i have the award?


honestly not worth it and for practically 0 reward. too prioritise your physical and mental health instead. obviously unis like you to have some extracurriculars but that can be literally anything else apart from silver dofe like genuinely it will not disadvantage you or be a missed opportunity.

if you’re in year 10 you might want to do NCS instead which is a much nicer and more fun experience and something you can defo put in personal statement. also prioritise work experience. you can also do volunteering or things at school like mentoring, being a prefect, joining a club. you can even do lamda public speaking or acting levels and since you’re already in year 10 you can skip quite a few levels depending on ability and even be doing bronze level for example.

anyways i hope everything works out 🫶

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by raz0nk
honestly not worth it and for practically 0 reward. too prioritise your physical and mental health instead. obviously unis like you to have some extracurriculars but that can be literally anything else apart from silver dofe like genuinely it will not disadvantage you or be a missed opportunity.
if you’re in year 10 you might want to do NCS instead which is a much nicer and more fun experience and something you can defo put in personal statement. also prioritise work experience. you can also do volunteering or things at school like mentoring, being a prefect, joining a club. you can even do lamda public speaking or acting levels and since you’re already in year 10 you can skip quite a few levels depending on ability and even be doing bronze level for example.
anyways i hope everything works out 🫶

ok thank u, ive already done my lamda bronze public speaking and reading for performance and im currently working towards my silver public speaking

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by skh123456789
ok thank u, ive already done my lamda bronze public speaking and reading for performance and im currently working towards my silver public speaking


brilliant !! i acc did silver w D a while back so if you need any help or advice pls lmk :smile: really well done for having already done bronze!

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They don’t really care, it would come up in the tiny paragraph of your other interests/achievements but 90+% of your personal statement should be stuff related to your degree course

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I did my silver dofe and didnt even have the space to mention it in my personal statement - the only aspect i used was the volunteering which you can do without the award. whilst i felt i learnt from the experience i would also absolutely never do it again lol. hope this helps :smile:

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They don’t dislike people who have done DofE! I certainly wouldn’t say it is a waste of time because it gives you experiences to learn from - even your experience of the practice expedition has taught you about your dislikes, perseverance and getting along with others. If asked about a difficult experience it could be spun into a tail of triumph over adversity. But in terms of UCAS personal statement, you need to save your characters for things that are more directly relevant to your course choice - that is what they are interested in.
They don't really care. It's not an academic programme so doesn't really have any particular relevance to academic degrees. You can develop general leadership etc skills through a variety of methods and not just DofE.

It's fine if you want to do it for your own sake - if you're just doing it to put on your UCAS application don't bother.

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by raz0nk
brilliant !! i acc did silver w D a while back so if you need any help or advice pls lmk :smile: really well done for having already done bronze!
well done!!! any advice would be great, i got distinctions in my bronze awards but im struggling with the silver impromptu

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by skh123456789
well done!!! any advice would be great, i got distinctions in my bronze awards but im struggling with the silver impromptu


ohhh well i did no prep for impromptu bc i didn’t rly know how 😭 ig you could ask chatgpt to give you three prompts and you choose one to write a speech abt just like in the real exam

but in terms of what i did for the actual thing, i kept using rule of threes and tricolons because it makes it easy to write impactful stuff eg ‘we need to put time, we need to put effort, we need to put devotion’ or whatever. a lot of it is about how you’re presenting it even if the content isn’t great and you said you got D in bronze so you clearly are good at the presenting stuff :smile:

also a rule i always use for speeches even in eng lang gcse, is that i start off the speech with a shortened rule of three so instead of three phrases i’d use three words or three statistics. eg for a speech about changing the school system it could be say ‘stress. anxiety. burnout. these are the three most common feelings felt by students across the word - so clearly, something must change.’ or smth

for my gcse eng speaking exam i did it about 9/11 & islamophobia and i started it with ‘2 planes. 3000 casualties. (and a third statistic but i forgot 😭). this is effective in showing the scale of events

also ik you only said you struggle w impromptu but for the prepared speeches, make sure they’re different styles to show variety. so i did a comedic one about how to survive exams, and the other was more serious about euthanasia, weighing the pros and cons.

hope everything goes great 🩷

Reply 12

A good example of presentation over content:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZBKX-6Gz6A

Reply 13

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by raz0nk
honestly not worth it and for practically 0 reward. too prioritise your physical and mental health instead. obviously unis like you to have some extracurriculars but that can be literally anything else apart from silver dofe like genuinely it will not disadvantage you or be a missed opportunity.
if you’re in year 10 you might want to do NCS instead which is a much nicer and more fun experience and something you can defo put in personal statement. also prioritise work experience. you can also do volunteering or things at school like mentoring, being a prefect, joining a club. you can even do lamda public speaking or acting levels and since you’re already in year 10 you can skip quite a few levels depending on ability and even be doing bronze level for example.
anyways i hope everything works out 🫶
They don't really care about NCS, work experience, being a prefect, joining a club (unless directly relevant)< or LAMDA tbh. Best thing would be to read and explore your subject

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by isaac123444566
They don't really care about NCS, work experience, being a prefect, joining a club (unless directly relevant)< or LAMDA tbh. Best thing would be to read and explore your subject


ofc they would care about work experience in the relevant field, this is the case for like most degrees & unis. not sure how you could say they don’t haha.

the NCS thing is good for interviews as well if they ask about working in a team or overcoming adversity or whatever. and it was just an example anyhow.

i said lamda as an example too because it’s an easy extracurricular to get into and you can start at a high level instead of music for example where you’d have to start at a low grade due to having no prior knowledge, and it takes years to get to higher grades. i speak from experience. also it turns out op already does lamda haha. public speaking is a great skill to have regardless, again helps for interviews, and it’s not a fairly common hobby that every student is doing.

i’m not too sure what degree exactly op wants to do, but for healthcare like med/dent, absolutely you have to have extracurricular to show you are well rounded. even if they don’t inherently sound linked to the degree, you need to find a way to link it. eg relating public speaking to having good communication skills with patients. also extracurriculars are important for oxbridge.

reading is brilliant for sure! but extracurriculars are also good. not that op should get too bogged down with them though, of course academics come first.

thanks for advice though.

Reply 15

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by skh123456789
...but im just wondering if its worth me doing it. Will universities care if i have the award?

Can you cogently explain how your participation in DoE enhances your application for your chosen subject at your chosen university and puts you at a competitive advantage? If the answer is 'no', then you've got your answer :smile:

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by raz0nk
ofc they would care about work experience in the relevant field, this is the case for like most degrees & unis. not sure how you could say they don’t haha.
the NCS thing is good for interviews as well if they ask about working in a team or overcoming adversity or whatever. and it was just an example anyhow.
i said lamda as an example too because it’s an easy extracurricular to get into and you can start at a high level instead of music for example where you’d have to start at a low grade due to having no prior knowledge, and it takes years to get to higher grades. i speak from experience. also it turns out op already does lamda haha. public speaking is a great skill to have regardless, again helps for interviews, and it’s not a fairly common hobby that every student is doing.
i’m not too sure what degree exactly op wants to do, but for healthcare like med/dent, absolutely you have to have extracurricular to show you are well rounded. even if they don’t inherently sound linked to the degree, you need to find a way to link it. eg relating public speaking to having good communication skills with patients. also extracurriculars are important for oxbridge.
reading is brilliant for sure! but extracurriculars are also good. not that op should get too bogged down with them though, of course academics come first.
thanks for advice though.
They don't really care about work experience because it's about who you know, not what, and it's an academic degree you are taking up. Sure - it's good for things like choosing a career and potentially on a grad CV, but it has very little relevance for a uni application

Why would NCS be any different from DOFE, they don't care about either. Sure, Lamda may give you a small bonus for interviews, but what actually helps is doing interview prep and actually knowing your subject. It's not a test of public speaking - but your ability to demonstrate passion for your subject.

No, unfortunately you are completely wrong. Here are Cambridge's exact words:
"We do not recommend that you include lots of information about extra-curricular activities. This means any non-academic activities that are not related to your chosen course.
Participating in these activities will not increase your chances of receiving a Cambridge offer. So, your personal statement should primarily be about your academic interests."

So, it's completely irrelevant - obviously still good if you enjoy it but for Cambridge it literally does not matter at all.

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by isaac123444566
They don't really care about work experience because it's about who you know, not what, and it's an academic degree you are taking up. Sure - it's good for things like choosing a career and potentially on a grad CV, but it has very little relevance for a uni application
Why would NCS be any different from DOFE, they don't care about either. Sure, Lamda may give you a small bonus for interviews, but what actually helps is doing interview prep and actually knowing your subject. It's not a test of public speaking - but your ability to demonstrate passion for your subject.
No, unfortunately you are completely wrong. Here are Cambridge's exact words:
"We do not recommend that you include lots of information about extra-curricular activities. This means any non-academic activities that are not related to your chosen course.
Participating in these activities will not increase your chances of receiving a Cambridge offer. So, your personal statement should primarily be about your academic interests."
So, it's completely irrelevant - obviously still good if you enjoy it but for Cambridge it literally does not matter at all.


again we don’t know what degree op wants to do. for example, for med/dent you pretty much have to do work experience. even if it’s online. it’s important to do work experience for other degrees too though. even if somehow unis don’t care (????), it’ll at least help op know if they realistically like the degree they’re choosing :smile:

op said they hated the practice dofe and didn’t want to do it. i never said NCS is miles different from dofe, i was just giving an alternative example of something they could do if they didn’t wanna do dofe that’s a bit similar in terms of the skills like team building, but that imo is better and more fun. other people suggested it too.

i was just giving some examples of things. i never said op has to do these specific things. no one is saying that. so it’s silly to pick apart each examples i gave. please kindly stop.

i also agreed with you that reading around the subject is very important to show interest. defo. my school kept mentioning it to us many times as well! not sure why you have such a problem with the advice i’m giving when it is similar to everyone else’s and op replied to me and didn’t seem to have any issue haha.

i also said academics comes first and i don’t think extracurriculars are the be all or end all. this post was asking about dofe in the context of doing extracurriculars, which is why i was suggesting some.
again, thx for your advice i’m sure it’ll also be helpful to op. bye

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by raz0nk
again we don’t know what degree op wants to do. for example, for med/dent you pretty much have to do work experience. even if it’s online. it’s important to do work experience for other degrees too though. even if somehow unis don’t care (????), it’ll at least help op know if they realistically like the degree they’re choosing :smile:
op said they hated the practice dofe and didn’t want to do it. i never said NCS is miles different from dofe, i was just giving an alternative example of something they could do if they didn’t wanna do dofe that’s a bit similar in terms of the skills like team building, but that imo is better and more fun. other people suggested it too.
i was just giving some examples of things. i never said op has to do these specific things. no one is saying that. so it’s silly to pick apart each examples i gave. please kindly stop.
i also agreed with you that reading around the subject is very important to show interest. defo. my school kept mentioning it to us many times as well! not sure why you have such a problem with the advice i’m giving when it is similar to everyone else’s and op replied to me and didn’t seem to have any issue haha.
i also said academics comes first and i don’t think extracurriculars are the be all or end all. this post was asking about dofe in the context of doing extracurriculars, which is why i was suggesting some.
again, thx for your advice i’m sure it’ll also be helpful to op. bye

Yes, you need work experience for med because it's a stressful job, and universities don't want someone to go through 6 years of medical school only to realise they don't like it. That's specific to med and dent because other degrees are much more open ended, and you can do many careers once graduating, which is somewhat unlike medicine.

Look, the issue is is that your advice is just not helpful for someone applying to uni, and if anything is harmful. That's why I said you were wrong, because claiming for medicine you 'absolutely need an extracurricular to show you are well rounded' is actually bad advice, it causes unecessary stress and is just plain misinformation.

You didn't say academics come first, or that extracurriculars aren't the be all and end all, and I wasn't picking apart your examples, it was literally all of the examples you chose which were wrong. Also, I know you didn't say 'op had to do these specific examples,' but what you did say is that extracurriculars are important, which is completely wrong. Thus, your argument in that 'I didn't say op had to do these exact things' is not really relevant, because you were suggesting they do extracurriculars for a uni application, and that 'they need it for med,' which is completely false.

Also, you conveniently ignored my quote from Cambridge's website - which directly contradicts your point earlier. It's just not helpful for anyone if you spread misinformation - don't take it personal, its for ops benefit.

Also, you said it's important to have these activities for a personal statement. That is again harmful advice, especially for someone who wants to go to Oxbridge, who explictly say to not include any extracurriculars. So you'd be harming their application by telling them to include it - hence why I replied.
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by isaac123444566
Yes, you need work experience for med because it's a stressful job, and universities don't want someone to go through 6 years of medical school only to realise they don't like it. That's specific to med and dent.
Look, the issue is is that your advice is just not helpful for someone applying to uni, and if anything is harmful. That's why I said you were wrong, because claiming for medicine you 'absolutely need an extracurricular to show you are well rounded' is actually bad advice, it causes unecessary stress and is just plain misinformation.
You didn't say academics come first, or that extracurriculars aren't the be all and end all, and I wasn't picking apart your examples, it was literally all of the examples you chose which were wrong. Also, I know you didn't say 'op had to do these specific examples,' but what you did say is that extracurriculars are important, which is completely wrong. Thus, your argument in that 'I didn't say op had to do these exact things' is not really relevant, because you were suggesting they do extracurriculars for a uni application, and that 'they need it for med,' which is completely false.
Also, you conveniently ignored my quote from Cambridge's website - which directly contradicts your point earlier. It's just not helpful for anyone if you spread misinformation - don't take it personal, its for ops benefit.
Also, you said it's important to have these activities for a personal statement. That is again harmful advice, especially for someone who wants to go to Oxbridge, who explictly say to not include any extracurriculars. So you'd be harming their application by telling them to include it - hence why I replied.


i was going on the experience i’ve had with med and dent applications, the advice of tutors, the advice of uni students i’ve spoken to, and the constant advice of my school. i also appreciated that a lot of your advice was brilliant and helpful. my examples were not all wrong, they were examples. i’m sure op knows how to choose the things they do to relate it to their degree!

look mate, it seems we are going round in circles? i think we just agree to disagree. apologies for attempting to give any sort of advice. i didn’t realise your word was final and that no one else is capable. you clearly are the expert in every single degree and subject.

have a brilliant day and i really think we should leave it here haha :smile:

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