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Reply 20

After checking Durham is ranked 40th globally in Arts & Humanities (the 8th highest placed UK university). Bristol is 85th.
In Law Durham is 55th globally (the 9th highest placed UK university). Bristol is 60th.
In Social Sciences Durham is 94th globally (the 11th highest placed UK university). Bristol is 91st.

Hardly a disgrace. Despite the Times Higher Education (THE) rankings favouring the larger ‘high-volume’ research universities, supported by a large student population. Usually based in the larger cities and often with a majority non-UK student population.

Reply 21

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by Anonymous
After checking Durham is ranked 40th globally in Arts & Humanities (the 8th highest placed UK university). Bristol is 85th.
In Law Durham is 55th globally (the 9th highest placed UK university). Bristol is 60th.
In Social Sciences Durham is 94th globally (the 11th highest placed UK university). Bristol is 91st.
Hardly a disgrace. Despite the Times Higher Education (THE) rankings favouring the larger ‘high-volume’ research universities, supported by a large student population. Usually based in the larger cities and often with a majority non-UK student population.

As mentioned previously, the THES and QS World rankings make a correction for the size of different universities, and for the disparity between different subjects on research volume.

I haven't looked into the subject rankings, but in the overall rankings Bristol always ranks comfortably above Durham in both QS and THES rankings.

Reply 22

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by Physician
As mentioned previously, the THES and QS World rankings make a correction for the size of different universities, and for the disparity between different subjects on research volume.
I haven't looked into the subject rankings, but in the overall rankings Bristol always ranks comfortably above Durham in both QS and THES rankings.

It's still widely accepted that the international rankings favour the larger universities, those with large STEM and Medicine departments, and those with the most non-domestic students and academics.

Intriguingly they also disproportionately favour the universities based in a city with a high-profile top-performing football club. Not too much Durham can do there.

Reply 23

Maybe the rankings should simply be based on student entry criteria/standards (everything else is subjective). In which case most of the rankings would show Durham to be in the top 3-5 amongst the English Universities.

The Scottish exam system and entry criteria is different and doesn't offer exact comparison.

Reply 24

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by Picnicl
This must be a joke thread if you think that Durham can easily get above 5th.
Academically, according to Edurank, the top 30 are: Oxford, Cambridge, UCL, Edinburgh, Imperial, Manchester, KCL, Glasgow, Leeds, Bristol, Birmingham, Nottingham, Sheffield, Warwick, Southampton, LSE, Liverpool, Newcastle, York, QMUL, Exeter, Cardiff, Durham, Leicester, Sussex, St Andrews, Aberdeen, Reading, Queens University Belfast, University of London.
Both Durham and St Andrews are only on people's lips because they have some pretty old buildings (they also have many that are not pretty or old), a high proportion of private school entrants, and because they set their entry requirements quite high.

Clearly there's a lot of stats and analysis to support the claim that Durham is now a Top 5 UK university.

Obviously a lot more to it than a few 'pretty old buildings' and a cohort of 'private school entrants' who now only amount to approx 20% of the overall student body once postgraduates and international students are taken into consideration.

To consolidate themselves I think above all Durham needs to improve the quality of its courses in engineering and the physical sciences, which seem to be lagging behind its humanities and social sciences.

Reply 25

Durham also seems to be weaker in the computer science subjects for some reason?

Reply 26

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by Anonymous
Maybe the rankings should simply be based on student entry criteria/standards (everything else is subjective). In which case most of the rankings would show Durham to be in the top 3-5 amongst the English Universities.
The Scottish exam system and entry criteria is different and doesn't offer exact comparison.

Maybe Durham should do their fair share and offer lower tariff courses like Midwifery and Policing. Universities have a responsibility to their local communities, rather than chasing superficial prestige through UK university league tables.

Reply 27

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by Anonymous
Durham also seems to be weaker in the computer science subjects for some reason?

Durham will never ever be a comprehensive and prestigious university like Oxbridge and UCL, so drop it. Accept that it is a good university, just like the likes of Southampton, Nottingham, Sheffield, Exeter and Lancaster are, but nothing more. To try to compare it to much better universities like Manchester and Edinburgh is delusional.

Reply 28

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by Physician
Durham will never ever be a comprehensive and prestigious university like Oxbridge and UCL, so drop it. Accept that it is a good university, just like the likes of Southampton, Nottingham, Sheffield, Exeter and Lancaster are, but nothing more. To try to compare it to much better universities like Manchester and Edinburgh is delusional.

I have heard Durham being compared to how Oxbridge was 30-40 years ago.

Nowadays Oxford and Cambridge are now very globalised placed, swamped with tourists and tourist trap pubs and cafes. Whereas Durham remains a city dominated by its students with a traditional quintessential English feel.

Is that valid?

Reply 29

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by Anonymous
I have heard Durham being compared to how Oxbridge was 30-40 years ago.
Nowadays Oxford and Cambridge are now very globalised placed, swamped with tourists and tourist trap pubs and cafes. Whereas Durham remains a city dominated by its students with a traditional quintessential English feel.
Is that valid?

I am getting tired of writing off Durham as a cheap and deceitful little copy of Oxbridge, just like Isengard was of Mordor in the LOTR. Enjoy and celebrate Durham for being what it is, rather than what it THINKS it is. In football l am sure fans of big clubs like Liverpool and Bayern Munich think their clubs are the biggest, even though the established order of size (in no particular order) is Real Madrid, Barcelona and Manchester United. The others just don't have the global fan following to compete with these big three. It is similar with universities, with the larger ones generally having much greater resources, and more brand recognition globally.

Durham is a good university with a historical charm of its own. It excels in history, law, and the arts and humanities generally. It is popular with Oxbridge rejects and privately schooled students.

Reply 30

I felt sorry for the residents of Durham, completely taken over by students. You can barely get through the city centre without avoiding someone else.

Reply 31

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by random_matt
I felt sorry for the residents of Durham, completely taken over by students. You can barely get through the city centre without avoiding someone else.

I was just reading about the massive shortage of student housing across the UK, but especially in Durham, Oxford and Glasgow. Landlords are scared of the new rental laws coming into effect by the end of the year, and are either selling up or raising rent further this year. Perhaps if universities could hire caravans to help plug the gap? It could lead to more students cheating their tenancy agreement and allowing friends to double up with them in the house, so that a house for 5 students could be used for up to 10 students.
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Reply 32

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by Physician
I was just reading about the massive shortage of student housing across the UK, but especially in Durham, Oxford and Glasgow. Landlords are scared of the new rental laws coming into effect by the end of the year, and are either selling up or raising rent further this year. Perhaps if universities could hire caravans to help plug the gap? It could lead to more students cheating their tenancy agreement and allowing friends to double up with them in the house, so that a house for 5 students could be used for up to 10 students.

Student numbers should be capped personally.

Reply 33

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by Anonymous
I have heard Durham being compared to how Oxbridge was 30-40 years ago.
Nowadays Oxford and Cambridge are now very globalised placed, swamped with tourists and tourist trap pubs and cafes. Whereas Durham remains a city dominated by its students with a traditional quintessential English feel.
Is that valid?

Are you working for Durham undercover? A student ambassador or one of their PR executives?

Reply 34

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by Physician
Are you working for Durham undercover? A student ambassador or one of their PR executives?

Certainly not.

You might, however, remember an article in the Spectator magazine from a few years back with the heading, 'For a real Oxbridge education, go to Durham.'

Reply 35

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by Physician
I am getting tired of writing off Durham as a cheap and deceitful little copy of Oxbridge, just like Isengard was of Mordor in the LOTR. Enjoy and celebrate Durham for being what it is, rather than what it THINKS it is. In football l am sure fans of big clubs like Liverpool and Bayern Munich think their clubs are the biggest, even though the established order of size (in no particular order) is Real Madrid, Barcelona and Manchester United. The others just don't have the global fan following to compete with these big three. It is similar with universities, with the larger ones generally having much greater resources, and more brand recognition globally.
Durham is a good university with a historical charm of its own. It excels in history, law, and the arts and humanities generally. It is popular with Oxbridge rejects and privately schooled students.

I see it's not just contemporary UK HE that you struggle to comprehend.

If you think Manchester United are currently anywhere close to competing with Real Madrid and Barcelona then you're delusional. Similarly if you believe Manchester City and PSG lack the wherewithal to compete at the top then I can only conclude that you didn't study Economics or International Politics (either at Durham or anywhere else).

Reply 36

They can certainly look into what's going wrong with their University Challenge team selection. Especially after tonight's pitiful display.

Reply 37

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by Physician
Manchester United would easily top the earnings list if they won the big trophies. They are still up there close to the top commercially despite playing very badly in recent seasons. Only Real Madrid and Barcelona could still do that despite having bad seasons, because of their global fan bases.

And how close are they to winning the big trophies?

With every poor season on the pitch they suffer and the more on-the-pitch success City and PSG enjoy the more the legacy value of their global brands will change.

Similar with the Universities. The more Durham wins respect from being named 'University of the Year' and high rankings (despite the obvious and inevitable flaws in their calculations) the more their profile and appeal to students, stakeholders, and partners will increase.

Reply 38

Nice article in the i newspaper today about Durham University (page 39). Although a little sentimental Katie Strike describes her own experiences at Durham. The below link might be protected by the paywall.

https://inews.co.uk/topic/durham-university?srsltid=AfmBOoqleq0oi9itlXzMxMjTCmh2hptFZ8l0C9U-UzHmxeB0HMcH90ju

Reply 39

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by Anonymous
I see it's not just contemporary UK HE that you struggle to comprehend.
If you think Manchester United are currently anywhere close to competing with Real Madrid and Barcelona then you're delusional. Similarly if you believe Manchester City and PSG lack the wherewithal to compete at the top then I can only conclude that you didn't study Economics or International Politics (either at Durham or anywhere else).

Durham is a university that is unknown to anyone outside of the UK and Ireland. It is just a good university, along with a hundred other universities.

Manchester United have the largest fan base of any club in the World, which is why they make a lot of money even when they aren't in the Champions League.

BTW, are you a British Asian? There is something in the wording of your posts that tells me that you are.

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