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Know anyone who should NOT have got into Cambridge but did!

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Mastermind`
brimstone :ninja:


Harsh :eek: :ninja:
At risk of being extremely harsh, surely anyone who goes on to get 2.2s and 3rds without any decent excuse (e.g. illness, genuinely poor teaching) would generally fall into this category?
Alexander
At risk of being extremely harsh, surely anyone who goes on to get 2.2s and 3rds without any decent excuse (e.g. illness, genuinely poor teaching) would generally fall into this category?


Interesting comment. I think that is fair enough actually, if you are getting a 3rd then you shouldn't be at that university, but 2.2 might be a bit harsh.
Alexander
At risk of being extremely harsh, surely anyone who goes on to get 2.2s and 3rds without any decent excuse (e.g. illness, genuinely poor teaching) would generally fall into this category?


I think my college implied to us in one of the many talks they gave that they consider anything below a 2.1 as a underperformance, so I think you could come to that conclusion.
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The West Wing
I think my college implied to us in one of the many talks they gave that they consider anything below a 2.1 as a underperformance, so I think you could come to that conclusion.


Which college is that?
The Sherminator
Interesting comment. I think that is fair enough actually, if you are getting a 3rd then you shouldn't be at that university, but 2.2 might be a bit harsh.

They won't give offers to people they think are likely to get a 2.2 at any point (certainly my college's admissions tutor made that explicit).

ebam_uk
Which college is that?

I'd say it holds true of most colleges. At my college anyone who got a 2.2 would have to go for a mixture of a motivational talk and a b0llocking with both the Master and the Senior Tutor at the beginning of Michaelmas term.
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Alexander
They won't give offers to people they think are likely to get a 2.2 at any point (certainly my college's admissions tutor made that explicit).


I'd say it holds true of most colleges. At my college anyone who got a 2.2 would have to go for a mixture of a motivational talk and a b0llocking with both the Master and the Senior Tutor at the beginning of Michaelmas term.


Well i guess it is in the admissions criteria to only select candidates who are "capable" of 2.1 or better, but I reckon at least for my subject which is marked in such a way that the top 26% of the cohort get 1st's automatically, and top 64% get 2.1 or greater so by default 36% of engineers will get 2.2 or below.

I wonder if the 2.2 rule applies for 3rd year when BA hons are awarded or in general any year of exams, because I noticed that the first 2 years of work do not count directly to the BA Hons degree.
Reply 67
Just because they didn't get a 2.1 doesn't mean they SHOUDN'T be there. They got in. They fulfilled whatever qualifications. Frankly, they can do what the hell they want with that position, and it doesn't mean they shouldn't have been there in the first place. It's a university degree, not a divine responsibility.
Reply 68
Mayfly
Just because they didn't get a 2.1 doesn't mean they SHOUDN'T be there. They got in. They fulfilled whatever qualifications. Frankly, they can do what the hell they want with that position, and it doesn't mean they shouldn't have been there in the first place. It's a university degree, not a divine responsibility.

I think the point he was originally trying to make was that from the university's point of view, someone who works hard and gets a 2.2 because he genuinely can't do any better than that, probably shouldn't have been admitted. After all they are looking for applicants with "potential", i.e. people who are both capable of getting and likely to get a 2.1 or better.:dontknow:
Reply 69
Alexander
At risk of being extremely harsh, surely anyone who goes on to get 2.2s and 3rds without any decent excuse (e.g. illness, genuinely poor teaching) would generally fall into this category?


Some colleges seem to take this attitude but it seems stupid particularly in subjects like NatSci since for the first two years the numbers of 3rds and 2.2s are fixed.

alirox

Einstein regularly failed school in his early days and could not speak a single word untill he was about 11

Fairly sure neither of these are true.
Reply 70
Greatleysteg
Uebermenschen. :smile:


lol sorry about being pedantic, but if you correct him, then I may as well, it's:

Uebermensch

or Übermensch.

(cause he was talking about the intellectual uebermensch
Yasmin18
lol sorry about being pedantic, but if you correct him, then I may as well, it's:

Uebermensch

or Übermensch.

(cause he was talking about the intellectual uebermensch


(Because he was talking about the intellectual Übermensch)
Reply 72
Eye

Fairly sure neither of these are true.


the school failing is actually partly true.
Ive read some biographies on him (haha no idea why, back in the days when I thought I was capable of physics) and anyway, he really did fail many classes, but then again, he was in the german system, and most subjects he failed were art subjects and languages... so that doesnt really mean anything.
the second one about not knowing to talk is wrong though.
Reply 73
necessarily benevolent
(Because he was talking about the intellectual Übermensch)


very kind of you, thanks :rolleyes:
Reply 74
Hmm, there's someone studying a biological science who told me that "AIDs was created by America to "get" [my punctuation :frown:] Africa"... Apart from them, there's not anyone particular. I find the notion that the people doing my subject here are the best of their age crazy tho' - if it were true, it'd be immensely worrying for the state of the world.

[there's me as well - I care far less about my subject these days than I ideally should.]

EDIT: oh, and the creationists studying biochemistry and medicine... :shudder:
Reply 75
Snookercraze
Didnt David Miliband get into Oxford, even though he got BBB (if that) for A-levels? Yes, I know its not Cambridge, as OP asked.

Decreasing value of A-level grades, importance of oxford tests over school grades, the fact (I think, well based on what someone on tsr once said, which mightn't be the best of references) he went to something of a :santa2::santa2::santa2::santa2::santa2::santa2: school.

Additionally, the fact that he graduated with a 1st would kinda naffify the suggestion that he didn't deserve his place.
Yasmin18
lol sorry about being pedantic, but if you correct him, then I may as well, it's:

Uebermensch

or Übermensch.

(cause he was talking about the intellectual uebermensch


1. I do believe he used the word "muppets", which is, I do believe, the third person plural.

2. I am aware that "ue", or indeed, "[any vowel]e" indicates an umlaut.

3. BUt, while we're being 'pedantic', you forgot to close your parentheses.

:smile:
Reply 77
Greatleysteg
1. I do believe he used the word "muppets", which is, I do believe, the third person plural.

2. I am aware that "ue", or indeed, "[any vowel]e" indicates an umlaut.

3. BUt, while we're being 'pedantic', you forgot to close your parentheses. [:cool:]

:smile:


I did not mean to enroll such an argument about such a silly thing.
I just thought I might add the correct word, since German is my mother language, but I did not want to imply in any sense the 'oh l know better than you'. Im quite amazed actually that such words are known in English, since many of my friends certainly haven't heard of it, and their language is German, too. (And I certainly wouldn't know such expressions in English)
So yes, I did write it in a hurry, and I never said I was proficient in English or grammar rules in general, and I did not mean to even pick on this for so long, I really just wanted to add the correct word Übermensch, since I thought it might be useful, which it probably isn't though...
Yasmin18
I did not mean to enroll such an argument about such a silly thing.
I just thought I might add the correct word, since German is my mother language, but I did not want to imply in any sense the 'oh l know better than you'. Im quite amazed actually that such words are known in English, since many of my friends certainly haven't heard of it, and their language is German, too. (And I certainly wouldn't know such expressions in English)
So yes, I did write it in a hurry, and I never said I was proficient in English or grammar rules in general, and I did not mean to even pick on this for so long, I really just wanted to add the correct word Übermensch, since I thought it might be useful, which it probably isn't though...


I understand, but you were wrong to correct me, and of course I would pull you up on it, if not to save me from looking stupid (without cause) but to correct you.

Untermenschen and Uebermenschen are words that have been adopted into the English language, alongside such words as Kaffeklatsch and Blitzkrieg.
Reply 79
Greatleysteg
I understand, but you were wrong to correct me, and of course I would pull you up on it, if not to save me from looking stupid (without cause) but to correct you.

Untermenschen and Uebermenschen are words that have been adopted into the English language, alongside such words as Kaffeklatsch and Blitzkrieg.


I will ignore some of what you said above and not take it any further :yep:
It doesn't really matter anyway, so let's leave it by that :smile:

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