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I got offers from Warwick Msc Management, Cranfield Msc Strategic Marketing and Cass MSc Management.which one is better?Don't' know which one I shall choose...Many thanks!
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I would personally say Warwick. They are all good business schools, in the bracket after LBS, Said and Judge. I wouldn't go for Cranfield because although it is well know by those in the know in the UK, it does not have much of a reputation in general because it is so specific to postgrad business education. Cass is a hard one, becuase although it ranks well for business and is in London, it would never sit well with me that i technically went to City university, as well as the fact that it just plays second fiddle to LBS. Then theres WBS, which is really up and coming and from what i have been told has alot of respect in the city, half becuase Warwick as a university is considered the best after Oxbridge, LSE and Imperial for most city recruiters which definately helps. Moreover, WBS is consistantly ranked above the other 2 for unergrad business education. They all hover around the same place in most world business school rankinge, ie top 30 ish so i suppose it comes down to which ever takes your fancy, cost also plays a part since WBS is £5,000 cheaper than Cass which seems alot, i guess you pay for the whole London thing.

I applied for MSc Management as well and chose to apply to WBS over Cass and didnt even consider Cranfield, and did quite alot of research on the issues, or what i can gather b-schools in the UK tend to fit into these brackets according to recruiters favourites

LBS (way ahead)

Said, Judge (and LSE for Management)

WBS, Imperial (above the others because of general uni prestigue)

Cass, Manchester (very good but bust not quite as good as the above)

Cranfield, Aston, Bath, Nottingham, Edinburgh, and other top universities business schools.

i hope that kind of helps.
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I would personally say Warwick. They are all good business schools, in the bracket after LBS, Said and Judge. I wouldn't go for Cranfield because although it is well know by those in the know in the UK, it does not have much of a reputation in general because it is so specific to postgrad business education. Cass is a hard one, becuase although it ranks well for business and is in London, it would never sit well with me that i technically went to City university, as well as the fact that it just plays second fiddle to LBS. Then theres WBS, which is really up and coming and from what i have been told has alot of respect in the city, half becuase Warwick as a university is considered the best after Oxbridge, LSE and Imperial for most city recruiters which definately helps. Moreover, WBS is consistantly ranked above the other 2 for unergrad business education. They all hover around the same place in most world business school rankinge, ie top 30 ish so i suppose it comes down to which ever takes your fancy, cost also plays a part since WBS is £5,000 cheaper than Cass which seems alot, i guess you pay for the whole London thing.

I applied for MSc Management as well and chose to apply to WBS over Cass and didnt even consider Cranfield, and did quite alot of research on the issues, or what i can gather b-schools in the UK tend to fit into these brackets according to recruiters favourites

LBS (way ahead)

Said, Judge (and LSE for Management)

WBS, Imperial (above the others because of general uni prestigue)

Cass, Manchester (very good but bust not quite as good as the above)

Cranfield, Aston, Bath, Nottingham, Edinburgh, and other top universities business schools.

i hope that kind of helps.

I know that this is a site for undergrads and hence Cranfield is not very well known but it is pretty ridiculous to club Cranfield SoM along with the business schools of Nottingham or to even place WBS, Tanaka or Cass above it. I am an Indian and Cranfield is among the best known UK B Schools in India.

Cranfield has one of the best recrutiment statistics in UK, it is very much comparable to that of Said and Judge, better than that of WBS and much better than that of Cass and Tanaka. Ask any student of Said and Judge which would be their next choice and most would answer Cranfield (I have talked to several MBA students from Said and Judge and this is the answer that I got). Vault, one of the best resources for research on B Schools, features only four B-Schools from UK, they are LBS, Said, Judge and Cranfield. They also regularly do a recruiters survey, about which do they think is the best B School in UK, Cranfield comes in at 3rd position after LBS and Said.

FT also does a ranking on the best B Schools (not MBA) in Europe and Cranfield has been consistently ranked as the second best business school in UK after LBS. I am studying for my Masters at Cranfield and had admits from Cass, Manchester, Nottingham and Lancaster, I chose to come to Cranfield after talking with several people including recruiters and alumni of different B Schools. I also have classmates who have turned down offers from Tanaka, Manchester etc to come to Cranfield. Dont get me wrong I do believe that Cass, Manchester etc. are excellent B schools but it is simply not true that Cranfield is not very well known.
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I would personally say Warwick. They are all good business schools, in the bracket after LBS, Said and Judge. I wouldn't go for Cranfield because although it is well know by those in the know in the UK, it does not have much of a reputation in general because it is so specific to postgrad business education. Cass is a hard one, becuase although it ranks well for business and is in London, it would never sit well with me that i technically went to City university, as well as the fact that it just plays second fiddle to LBS. Then theres WBS, which is really up and coming and from what i have been told has alot of respect in the city, half becuase Warwick as a university is considered the best after Oxbridge, LSE and Imperial for most city recruiters which definately helps. Moreover, WBS is consistantly ranked above the other 2 for unergrad business education. They all hover around the same place in most world business school rankinge, ie top 30 ish so i suppose it comes down to which ever takes your fancy, cost also plays a part since WBS is £5,000 cheaper than Cass which seems alot, i guess you pay for the whole London thing.

I applied for MSc Management as well and chose to apply to WBS over Cass and didnt even consider Cranfield, and did quite alot of research on the issues, or what i can gather b-schools in the UK tend to fit into these brackets according to recruiters favourites

LBS (way ahead)

Said, Judge (and LSE for Management)

WBS, Imperial (above the others because of general uni prestigue)

Cass, Manchester (very good but bust not quite as good as the above)

Cranfield, Aston, Bath, Nottingham, Edinburgh, and other top universities business schools.

i hope that kind of helps.
So you graduated from City university,well I heard that city has a really good career facility and it's the best when it comes to employment,so...I am thinking maybe cass is the best choice if I wanna gain some UK working experience...also,how's London life?...more opportunities I think...?
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I know that this is a site for undergrads and hence Cranfield is not very well known but it is pretty ridiculous to club Cranfield SoM along with the business schools of Nottingham or to even place WBS, Tanaka or Cass above it. I am an Indian and Cranfield is among the best known UK B Schools in India.

Cranfield has one of the best recrutiment statistics in UK, it is very much comparable to that of Said and Judge, better than that of WBS and much better than that of Cass and Tanaka. Ask any student of Said and Judge which would be their next choice and most would answer Cranfield (I have talked to several MBA students from Said and Judge and this is the answer that I got). Vault, one of the best resources for research on B Schools, features only four B-Schools from UK, they are LBS, Said, Judge and Cranfield. They also regularly do a recruiters survey, about which do they think is the best B School in UK, Cranfield comes in at 3rd position after LBS and Said.

FT also does a ranking on the best B Schools (not MBA) in Europe and Cranfield has been consistently ranked as the second best business school in UK after LBS. I am studying for my Masters at Cranfield and had admits from Cass, Manchester, Nottingham and Lancaster, I chose to come to Cranfield after talking with several people including recruiters and alumni of different B Schools. I also have classmates who have turned down offers from Tanaka, Manchester etc to come to Cranfield. Dont get me wrong I do believe that Cass, Manchester etc. are excellent B schools but it is simply not true that Cranfield is not very well known.
think u right,One of my best friend who graduated from UK and now being as a CEO told me if I follow my brain I shall go to Cranfield,but some others told me that it's very much in to research,and the place is very countrylike,if I wanna have more job opportunities,I dont know if Cranfield is the best choice...
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LBS (way ahead)

Said, Judge (and LSE for Management)

WBS, Imperial (above the others because of general uni prestigue)

Cass, Manchester (very good but bust not quite as good as the above)

Cranfield, Aston, Bath, Nottingham, Edinburgh, and other top universities business schools.

i hope that kind of helps.
LBS isn't far away from Oxford-Said and Cambridge-Judge anymore; the gap has considerably narrowed down in the past few years. The quality of students that attend at these 3 business schools are the same. For example, the average GMAT scores at all three of them is 690. They have the same number of years of work experience at between 5 and 8. They have a pretty identical pre-MBA salary and post-MBA salary. LBS' advantage is its age, which was established way ahead of Said and Judge. But in terms of connections and employment prospects, they all are petty identical as well.

LSE MS Management isn't better regarded than WBS MBA. That's very, very far from the truth. In fact, WBS MBA is better regarded than LSE MSc Management. The post-MBA salary of WBS MBA is way higher than the post-MSc Management of LSE. LSE MSc Management is just as respected and regarded by employers as WBS MSc programs.

Here's a better ranking of UK business schools:


LBS
--very, very slight gap --
Cambridge-Judge / Oxford-Said

--gap--
Warwick, Imperial-Tanaka, Cranfield, Manchester

--slight gap--
CASS, Edinburgh, Lancaster, LSE (MSc Management)

--slight gap--
Aston, Ashridge, Nottingham, Durham

--slight gap--
Bath, Leeds, Glasgow, Strathclyde, Birmingham, Bristol (Management), King's (Management)
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I know that this is a site for undergrads and hence Cranfield is not very well known but it is pretty ridiculous to club Cranfield SoM along with the business schools of Nottingham or to even place WBS, Tanaka or Cass above it. I am an Indian and Cranfield is among the best known UK B Schools in India.

Cranfield has one of the best recrutiment statistics in UK, it is very much comparable to that of Said and Judge, better than that of WBS and much better than that of Cass and Tanaka. Ask any student of Said and Judge which would be their next choice and most would answer Cranfield (I have talked to several MBA students from Said and Judge and this is the answer that I got). Vault, one of the best resources for research on B Schools, features only four B-Schools from UK, they are LBS, Said, Judge and Cranfield. They also regularly do a recruiters survey, about which do they think is the best B School in UK, Cranfield comes in at 3rd position after LBS and Said.

FT also does a ranking on the best B Schools (not MBA) in Europe and Cranfield has been consistently ranked as the second best business school in UK after LBS. I am studying for my Masters at Cranfield and had admits from Cass, Manchester, Nottingham and Lancaster, I chose to come to Cranfield after talking with several people including recruiters and alumni of different B Schools. I also have classmates who have turned down offers from Tanaka, Manchester etc to come to Cranfield. Dont get me wrong I do believe that Cass, Manchester etc. are excellent B schools but it is simply not true that Cranfield is not very well known.
I also don't believe that Manchester and Cass are superior to Cranfield. But it is true that Cranfield isn't popular. It is amongst the employers, however. I think that's what AfghanistanBananistan was trying to say.

Of course, every applicant has his own biases. Some would prefer Crnafield. Some would prefer Warwick. I prefer Warwick over Cranfield in any given day. I thought Warwick Business School has a global reputation, more so than Cranfield has. But that as to how reputable WBS is compared to Cranfield, I don't know. I just know that WBS is amongst the target schools of headhunters. But like I said previously, Warwick and Cranfield are peer schools for MBA. WBS is just more dynamic as a university and has more prestige within and outside of the UK. As WBS is progressing at a very fast rate, I would suspect that it would climb in the ranking league tables in the near future. More money is poured into WBS now and in 2-3 years from now, the result of that expansion will be realized.
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I also don't believe that Manchester and Cass are superior to Cranfield. But it is true that Cranfield isn't popular. It is amongst the employers, however. I think that's what AfghanistanBananistan was trying to say.

Of course, every applicant has his own biases. Some would prefer Crnafield. Some would prefer Warwick. I prefer Warwick over Cranfield in any given day. I thought Warwick Business School has a global reputation, more so than Cranfield has. But that as to how reputable WBS is compared to Cranfield, I don't know. I just know that WBS is amongst the target schools of headhunters. But like I said previously, Warwick and Cranfield are peer schools for MBA. WBS is just more dynamic as a university and has more prestige within and outside of the UK. As WBS is progressing at a very fast rate, I would suspect that it would climb in the ranking league tables in the near future. More money is poured into WBS now and in 2-3 years from now, the result of that expansion will be realized.
yes that was exactly what i was trying to say.
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Hey you guys ,
I got offers from Warwick Msc Management, Cranfield Msc Strategic Marketing and Cass MSc Management.which one is better?Don't' know which one I shall choose...Many thanks!
I have exactly the same problem with you Linhou0330.I have been offered a place from Cass, Warwick and Cranfield and I cannot make up my mind.I am going to attend an MCs in Logistics.Could anyone help me?Which is the best choice in this area?Each uni has many pros and cons so it is difficult for me to decide
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congrats on your offers, first of all.

these three schools all share a common thing... and that is they are all of high caliber. you need to keep in mind how you define "better". for one, it might be the rankings of a school. for another, it might be the quality of the faculty, alumni network, etc.

the best suggestion i can give you is to research the school's respective programs and make an objective decision for yourself. i myself am attending cass for the management program and i didn't let any of the bias here affect my decision.

and sorry to put the spotlight on AfghanistanBananistan. i've been roaming around the forum for a few weeks and i noticed that this user has been advocating for warwick, which is entirely cool and i'm sure he has reasons for it. however, i would take his opinions towards the other schools with a grain of salt. as a future cass student myself, there's simply no way that i could compare cass to warwick or cranfield since i have never and will never experience the post graduate studies there.

each school has its own benefits. there are no absolute "betters", especially when you're comparing schools that are all very reputable.

FYI - here are some links to rankings if you're all about it. again... take it with a grain of salt!

European Business Schools
http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoo...chool-rankings

Masters in Management
http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoo...-in-management
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Can anyone tell me, MBA from Leeds University is better or MSc Management from Warwick University. Please suggest!!

Thanks!
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Here's a better ranking of UK business schools:


LBS
--very, very slight gap --
Cambridge-Judge / Oxford-Said

--gap--
Warwick, Imperial-Tanaka, Cranfield, Manchester

--slight gap--
CASS, Edinburgh, Lancaster, LSE (MSc Management)

--slight gap--
Aston, Ashridge, Nottingham, Durham

--slight gap--
Bath, Leeds, Glasgow, Strathclyde, Birmingham, Bristol (Management), King's (Management)
joke. I think anybody who decideds to places LSE at tier 4 cannot be taken seriously. One who graduates with an MIM or Msc Finance from this school will have significant employment advantage to one with a similar degree from cranfield, manchester. c'mon man..
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warwick or cass everyonne? hard to decide
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congrats on your offers, first of all.

these three schools all share a common thing... and that is they are all of high caliber. you need to keep in mind how you define "better". for one, it might be the rankings of a school. for another, it might be the quality of the faculty, alumni network, etc.

the best suggestion i can give you is to research the school's respective programs and make an objective decision for yourself. i myself am attending cass for the management program and i didn't let any of the bias here affect my decision.

and sorry to put the spotlight on AfghanistanBananistan. i've been roaming around the forum for a few weeks and i noticed that this user has been advocating for warwick, which is entirely cool and i'm sure he has reasons for it. however, i would take his opinions towards the other schools with a grain of salt. as a future cass student myself, there's simply no way that i could compare cass to warwick or cranfield since i have never and will never experience the post graduate studies there.

each school has its own benefits. there are no absolute "betters", especially when you're comparing schools that are all very reputable.

FYI - here are some links to rankings if you're all about it. again... take it with a grain of salt!

European Business Schools
http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoo...chool-rankings

Masters in Management
http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoo...-in-management
hello , r u currently on CASS's Management? how do you feel about the course and career services there? as i heard career service there is great! and also i heard you have to complete 10++ projects in 1 term , is tht true?

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i've heard that the career service is pretty robust as it is ever-expanding globally. this is one of the advantages of cass's location in london due to the diversity you interact with. but again, you can't expect the career services to help you do everything. all the effort comes from you.

not sure about the number of projects. i wouldn't be surprised if that really is the case since it is a very intensive program.
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joke. I think anybody who decideds to places LSE at tier 4 cannot be taken seriously. One who graduates with an MIM or Msc Finance from this school will have significant employment advantage to one with a similar degree from cranfield, manchester. c'mon man..

Agreed ! This guy from Italy has a special thing for Warwick. He just cant ge over it. You should have read him in this other thread . It felt he would slit your throat if you do not agreed with him.

Anyways I am from INDIA and would be quite clear here , if asked to a common Indian with little education about good universities abroad: He would loudly spell out : Jarvard, Oxford, Cambridge, LSE and LBS.

Except student no one knows Warwick over here. Even i cam to know about it only this Feb.
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Its ridiculous How come you can put LSE in tier 4.? LSE is one of the best in MSc management along with Cambridge and LBS. I think you should go a head with warwick as compared to Cass. Only reason for selecting Warwick is the cost otherwise both are almost at the same level in terms of msc in management.

Select Cranfield if you want to focus on marketing otherwise leave it.
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Agreed ! This guy from Italy has a special thing for Warwick. He just cant ge over it. You should have read him in this other thread . It felt he would slit your throat if you do not agreed with him.

Anyways I am from INDIA and would be quite clear here , if asked to a common Indian with little education about good universities abroad: He would loudly spell out : Jarvard, Oxford, Cambridge, LSE and LBS.

Except student no one knows Warwick over here. Even i cam to know about it only this Feb.
Really? Im from India too and I would say Warwick is really quite well known over here. It's quite reputed (though yes, below the oxbridge/lse bracket). If you judge by the very very large number of Indian students at Warwick - it does provide for an indication of the Uni's popularity.
I'd say its probably the most popular university for indians after the routine oxbridge/lse - especially those who have an economics/management pursuit.

As for the OP. I'd say Warwick if you want my opinion.

EDIT: Ah I realized you said specifically students. I would say most employers in the business sector here are quite aware of Warwick. Definitely more so warwick than even cass/ cranfield. Anyhow, slightly redundant as the OP probably doesn't give a rats BUM about the indian perspective on business schools though it is always good to know the international reputation of a Uni, especially if you're looking to work out of the UK at some point.
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Really? Im from India too and I would say Warwick is really quite well known over here. It's quite reputed (though yes, below the oxbridge/lse bracket). If you judge by the very very large number of Indian students at Warwick - it does provide for an indication of the Uni's popularity.
I'd say its probably the most popular university for indians after the routine oxbridge/lse - especially those who have an economics/management pursuit.

As for the OP. I'd say Warwick if you want my opinion.

EDIT: Ah I realized you said specifically students. I would say most employers in the business sector here are quite aware of Warwick. Definitely more so warwick than even cass/ cranfield. Anyhow, slightly redundant as the OP probably doesn't give a rats BUM about the indian perspective on business schools though it is always good to know the international reputation of a Uni, especially if you're looking to work out of the UK at some point.


Wariwck is a great school, no doubt about that. Its perhaps better for an MBA ,But for Msc in Management , one should go only if he is too much in academics. Coz the course structure is ideal for students with no or little maths background. Its fully academic and does not have a prctical aspect to it. Even the research that one has to do as a part of the course is a desk based resarch. Its ideal for students from backgrunds of Arts and Social Sciences.

Cass on the other hand is uch more practical in its approach and its location at Bunhill Row makes it een more appealing. You even get to attend seminars at Brussels for a week during study. And location wise its just perfect.

My friend just came back from London. He got an accept at both Warwick and Cass. And from what i could get , Cass scores in terms of Location and even course structure . The MSc in Management program is highlly ranked and its over all a worthy choice.

I dont know much about Cranfield , because i never considered it to be a worthy choic.

IIM's may be a great choice in INDIA, but it does not mean that we have top students from accross the world vying for a place at it.
More than UNiversities reputation , it is the reputaion of Department and at times the Particular course that matters the most.

I am not against Warwick , but i havent come accross many people who are raving about warwick or have it as their first choice. Its Brand name that works most in India. People would stare at you in amazement if you even do a summer school at Cambridge , biut would just nod theior head if you mentioned warwick , wondering have they even heard of it somewhere.

COurse Strcture and Location play a very very important role in ones education , you being from Delhi and i being from Mumbai certainly know that. Exceptions are their, but not in mst of cases.
I think that says it

Warwick is good , but i didn't know pf it until recently . Unless there is something that majority know it not really that famous.

Shahrukh may be known in SE Asia but Tom Cruise is a global name. Something like that
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Wariwck is a great school, no doubt about that. Its perhaps better for an MBA ,But for Msc in Management , one should go only if he is too much in academics. Coz the course structure is ideal for students with no or little maths background. Its fully academic and does not have a prctical aspect to it. Even the research that one has to do as a part of the course is a desk based resarch. Its ideal for students from backgrunds of Arts and Social Sciences.

Cass on the other hand is uch more practical in its approach and its location at Bunhill Row makes it een more appealing. You even get to attend seminars at Brussels for a week during study. And location wise its just perfect.

My friend just came back from London. He got an accept at both Warwick and Cass. And from what i could get , Cass scores in terms of Location and even course structure . The MSc in Management program is highlly ranked and its over all a worthy choice.

I dont know much about Cranfield , because i never considered it to be a worthy choic.

IIM's may be a great choice in INDIA, but it does not mean that we have top students from accross the world vying for a place at it.
More than UNiversities reputation , it is the reputaion of Department and at times the Particular course that matters the most.

I am not against Warwick , but i havent come accross many people who are raving about warwick or have it as their first choice. Its Brand name that works most in India. People would stare at you in amazement if you even do a summer school at Cambridge , biut would just nod theior head if you mentioned warwick , wondering have they even heard of it somewhere.

COurse Strcture and Location play a very very important role in ones education , you being from Delhi and i being from Mumbai certainly know that. Exceptions are their, but not in mst of cases.
I think that says it

Warwick is good , but i didn't know pf it until recently . Unless there is something that majority know it not really that famous.

Shahrukh may be known in SE Asia but Tom Cruise is a global name. Something like that
I agree about reputation. Trust me, I chose Oxford over LSE/SOAS just because its much better reputed internationally (or well, atleast in India- where I would like to work).
I'm just saying that Warwick is quiiite well known, in fact barring oxbridge/lse its probably amongst the best known internationally for mba/business/management courses.
The OP has to choose between warwick/cass/cranfield - and out of the three, i would say warwick is the best known amongst the general population/employers internationally.

Im an arts student so I have NO CLUE about course structure/content at any of these schools. If the OP is to choose based on that, then im sure Cass/Cranfield are worthy contenders... im just giving my take on Warwick's reputation.

As for IIM, i dont think they need more competition so lets keep the firungis out (not serious, just on a lighter note).
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