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Really need help in deciding a levels as I'm really confused

Hey guys, so I have had an issue in deciding my a levels for months now, and my deadline to pick is in a few days after weekend.

Recently, I started sixth form and picked the a levels of maths, chemistry, biology and physics. This is a heavy workload, and I dont see how it helps (fm needed for imperial/cambridge anyway, correct me if I'm wrong)

I am confused between the career pathways of medicine and engineering/cs, as I like arduino, coding and building things, but I also really want to have an impact and have work which lets me help and connect with vulnerable people, not just sitting at a desk all day (but maybe this isn't the case).

Anyway so I'm really stuck on my a levels and have a few options

Drop chem and bio for cs and fm - I'm already good at coding, so cs would lighten the workload, fm needed for engineering/cs but closes off medicine completely.

Drop bio for fm - this technically keeps all options open but marhs chem phy fm is a very heavy workload and also no bio for medicine, idk if hedging options is good.

Drop physics for fm - this closes off engineering, but keeps medicine completely open, and maths fm keeps stuff like maths and cs open.

I kinda have no idea what to do, ive been overthinking this so so much, I've been confused for literal months and my deadline is soon to decide so please help thank you

Reply 1

according to imperial, both biol and chem ere needed for medicine, at at least an A grade. however, only chem is strictly necessary for medicine at cambridge. so i''d say definitely keep chem and maths, and swap either biol or physics for cs (to lighten your workload), depending on how bad you wanna go too imperial.

if you're really considering engineering, then definitely keep physics. fm isn't always necessary, but it can be helpful depending on how dedicated you are.

i myself want to go into engineering (robotics) and am planning to choose maths, fm, phys and cs next year.

edit: this is just a personal opinion though. i don't have much experience, being a y11 student and all

Reply 2

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by PreyZer09
Hey guys, so I have had an issue in deciding my a levels for months now, and my deadline to pick is in a few days after weekend.
Recently, I started sixth form and picked the a levels of maths, chemistry, biology and physics. This is a heavy workload, and I dont see how it helps (fm needed for imperial/cambridge anyway, correct me if I'm wrong)
I am confused between the career pathways of medicine and engineering/cs, as I like arduino, coding and building things, but I also really want to have an impact and have work which lets me help and connect with vulnerable people, not just sitting at a desk all day (but maybe this isn't the case).
Anyway so I'm really stuck on my a levels and have a few options
Drop chem and bio for cs and fm - I'm already good at coding, so cs would lighten the workload, fm needed for engineering/cs but closes off medicine completely.
Drop bio for fm - this technically keeps all options open but marhs chem phy fm is a very heavy workload and also no bio for medicine, idk if hedging options is good.
Drop physics for fm - this closes off engineering, but keeps medicine completely open, and maths fm keeps stuff like maths and cs open.
I kinda have no idea what to do, ive been overthinking this so so much, I've been confused for literal months and my deadline is soon to decide so please help thank you

hello :smile: i'm in year 13 and taking maths, fm, physics and chem. i was in quite a similar position to you last year - i wasn't sure if i wanted to do engineering/maths/cs, or swap one of my subjects for biology. i'm applying to cambridge natsci now and to be honest, i'm really glad i took the subjects i did, even though they are very hard!

i think, first off, it's great that you enjoy programming so much, but a level cs would be the least viable out of your options. the coursework would be a huge time sink for you so unless you really think you would love the subject, i don't think it poses much of a strategic advantage to the courses you're considering; all of them would prefer further maths, and for engineering courses, chemistry is still a perfectly good fourth subject rather than cs.

for cambridge engineering, "If your school offers Further Mathematics to AS or A level, you should take it." and for imperial engineering, "the preferred subject is Further Mathematics", so i think you would unfortunately be putting yourself at a bit of a disadvantage by not taking further maths if engineering is the pathway you're leaning towards. of course, you run into the same problem with a lot (though certainly not all) med schools wanting bio a level, so this is a bit of a double bind.

if for medicine, the only reason you are considering doing it is to help people, there are other options :smile: a medical degree is very very hard work and you have to be interested in the science itself to enjoy such a rigorous degree - med has quite a high dropout rate! without a level biology, you could still change your mind and be very competitive for courses like medical physics, radiography etc; there are non-medicine healthcare options that are still very well-respected and rigorous without a level biology. if these interest you, of course, you can do some research as there are plenty of options, as well as postgrad medicine courses

of course, you're going to keep maths, and i really do think that you should keep chemistry, as it is a very good subject for both medicine and engineering/maths subjects. i'm biased, but if i were you i would go for further maths and physics as your other two - they keep open engineering options, while you still can do something in healthcare if that's what you decide you want to do. these four subjects are very difficult, but i found that in doing further maths, you only have to do very minimal work to maintain good grades in normal maths. all 4 have a fair amount of overlap so i actually think they are less work than four more distinct subjects. though, if you're not completely passionate about maths it can be quite draining to do so much of it - i don't love maths, so i do get tired of double maths sometimes, but it is worth it if you end up going into a field that requires/recommends further maths

i hope this helps - please ask if you have any questions, and best of luck for sixth form!

Reply 3

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by masou
according to imperial, both biol and chem ere needed for medicine, at at least an A grade. however, only chem is strictly necessary for medicine at cambridge. so i''d say definitely keep chem and maths, and swap either biol or physics for cs (to lighten your workload), depending on how bad you wanna go too imperial.
if you're really considering engineering, then definitely keep physics. fm isn't always necessary, but it can be helpful depending on how dedicated you are.
i myself want to go into engineering (robotics) and am planning to choose maths, fm, phys and cs next year.
edit: this is just a personal opinion though. i don't have much experience, being a y11 student and all


Thank you for the reply I appreciate it. I think the issue is what subject to drop. I also was thinking of robotics engineering as a career it is cool, but I need physics and a traditional eng degree then a masters in ai/cs prohably to do it, for thst I will need fm of course. I don't really need cs though it's just a subject I'm good at.

Anyway good luck for y11!

Reply 4

For med you need bio and chem
For engineering you need physics and maths. For top unis you may need fm too.
These are very different fields and both are aspirations which require your full dedication.
As you're doing all 3 sciences and also maths you have a little time to decide what to do as if you go with med you'd just need to drop physics or maths and if you go with engineering you could pick up fm and keep maths and physics.
What you need to do is educate yourself about the career prospects and contents of each degree. I recommend looking at springpod, unifrog, prospects uk, career pilot, your a level specs, uniguide and degree modules for a range of courses.
You may be interested in biomedical engineering and bioinformatics to use coding within med.

Reply 5

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by ‎♡₊˚ ୨୧・₊✧
hello :smile: i'm in year 13 and taking maths, fm, physics and chem. i was in quite a similar position to you last year - i wasn't sure if i wanted to do engineering/maths/cs, or swap one of my subjects for biology. i'm applying to cambridge natsci now and to be honest, i'm really glad i took the subjects i did, even though they are very hard!
i think, first off, it's great that you enjoy programming so much, but a level cs would be the least viable out of your options. the coursework would be a huge time sink for you so unless you really think you would love the subject, i don't think it poses much of a strategic advantage to the courses you're considering; all of them would prefer further maths, and for engineering courses, chemistry is still a perfectly good fourth subject rather than cs.
for cambridge engineering, "If your school offers Further Mathematics to AS or A level, you should take it." and for imperial engineering, "the preferred subject is Further Mathematics", so i think you would unfortunately be putting yourself at a bit of a disadvantage by not taking further maths if engineering is the pathway you're leaning towards. of course, you run into the same problem with a lot (though certainly not all) med schools wanting bio a level, so this is a bit of a double bind.
if for medicine, the only reason you are considering doing it is to help people, there are other options :smile: a medical degree is very very hard work and you have to be interested in the science itself to enjoy such a rigorous degree - med has quite a high dropout rate! without a level biology, you could still change your mind and be very competitive for courses like medical physics, radiography etc; there are non-medicine healthcare options that are still very well-respected and rigorous without a level biology. if these interest you, of course, you can do some research as there are plenty of options, as well as postgrad medicine courses
of course, you're going to keep maths, and i really do think that you should keep chemistry, as it is a very good subject for both medicine and engineering/maths subjects. i'm biased, but if i were you i would go for further maths and physics as your other two - they keep open engineering options, while you still can do something in healthcare if that's what you decide you want to do. these four subjects are very difficult, but i found that in doing further maths, you only have to do very minimal work to maintain good grades in normal maths. all 4 have a fair amount of overlap so i actually think they are less work than four more distinct subjects. though, if you're not completely passionate about maths it can be quite draining to do so much of it - i don't love maths, so i do get tired of double maths sometimes, but it is worth it if you end up going into a field that requires/recommends further maths
i hope this helps - please ask if you have any questions, and best of luck for sixth form!


Thank you so much for such a long reply it really helped me!

I think I'll probably take the combo you are doing to be honest, as Chemistry keeps medicine open at a bunch of unis, and even for stuff like natural sciences it's helpful, more so than cs. No biology does close off a good amount of unis, but for medicine it seems to not matter which uni you go to as the opportunities after graduation are the same, but for cs/engineering of course opportunities and courses at imperial or cambridge would be better.

I was just scared of the workload to be honest. It seems quite daunting and I was kinda worried that keeping options open might lose my focus, as if I'm pursuing engineering I don't really want medicine to be at the back of my mind I guess and maybe chemistry might feel obsolete if I know it won't really help me for the course I'm trying to do (but correct me if I'm wrong!) CS would just be mostly easier barring coursework due to my experience, and it might give me more time for ecs like coding projects and stuff.

Could you tell me more about your workload, how you managed it and how life was like in y12 with that combo, was it all revision, how bad was it? Because I know I'm willing to work really hard I just don't wanna burn out or anything.

Thank you again for the reply and best of luck for year 13 and a levels! :smile:

Reply 6

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by DerDracologe
For med you need bio and chem
For engineering you need physics and maths. For top unis you may need fm too.
These are very different fields and both are aspirations which require your full dedication.
As you're doing all 3 sciences and also maths you have a little time to decide what to do as if you go with med you'd just need to drop physics or maths and if you go with engineering you could pick up fm and keep maths and physics.
What you need to do is educate yourself about the career prospects and contents of each degree. I recommend looking at springpod, unifrog, prospects uk, career pilot, your a level specs, uniguide and degree modules for a range of courses.
You may be interested in biomedical engineering and bioinformatics to use coding within med.


I know I've been researching a lot to be honest almost to the point where I've planned out my life, every pro and con in each path I could take, it's too much overthinking tbh.

Thank you for the help!

Reply 7

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by PreyZer09
I know I've been researching a lot to be honest almost to the point where I've planned out my life, every pro and con in each path I could take, it's too much overthinking tbh.
Thank you for the help!


Just go with what you think you'll enjoy most. If you don't know which career to go with just go with your favourite subject combo and it'll hopefully bring degrees and careers which suit your interests

Reply 8

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by PreyZer09
Thank you so much for such a long reply it really helped me!
I think I'll probably take the combo you are doing to be honest, as Chemistry keeps medicine open at a bunch of unis, and even for stuff like natural sciences it's helpful, more so than cs. No biology does close off a good amount of unis, but for medicine it seems to not matter which uni you go to as the opportunities after graduation are the same, but for cs/engineering of course opportunities and courses at imperial or cambridge would be better.
I was just scared of the workload to be honest. It seems quite daunting and I was kinda worried that keeping options open might lose my focus, as if I'm pursuing engineering I don't really want medicine to be at the back of my mind I guess and maybe chemistry might feel obsolete if I know it won't really help me for the course I'm trying to do (but correct me if I'm wrong!) CS would just be mostly easier barring coursework due to my experience, and it might give me more time for ecs like coding projects and stuff.
Could you tell me more about your workload, how you managed it and how life was like in y12 with that combo, was it all revision, how bad was it? Because I know I'm willing to work really hard I just don't wanna burn out or anything.
Thank you again for the reply and best of luck for year 13 and a levels! :smile:

you're so welcome! as long as your subjects allow you to go down whatever routes you're thinking about (which maths, fm, physics and chem would do), please don't stress too much about the exact course yet!! i started year 12 convinced i wanted to do maths with cs at oxford, cycled through several engineering options, before settling on natsci in about february - as long as you're exploring outside of your subjects and trying to figure out what you enjoy, please don't worry too much about the exact course you want to do for now :smile:

i think that chemistry is a nice 4th to have for engineering though of course, it's more directly applicable for chemical engineering than, say, civil. but showing that you can do well in a difficult stem subject like chemistry is the kind of ability that i think is a good transferrable skill for all engineering. please take this with a pinch of salt though as i don't know much about it - maybe @Muttley79 would be able to help?

personally i found the start of year 12 difficult. it was pretty demoralising to get grades a lot lower than i was used to, but sustained hard work really does make all the difference. if you keep on top of your work (make notes/anki on the day of the lesson so you don't fall behind) and do a lot of past paper/exam question practice, it is very possible to do well (past papers are my biggest advice - i was stuck on a B in further maths, doing every past paper i could get my hands on was the difference that pushed me into an A imo). since these are such maths-y subjects, work in one subject indirectly benefits the others. just make sure you work a little and often: exams come a lot quicker than you would expect in year 12. if you consistently consolidate your learning, you should be able to avoid cramming.

you certainly can continue to do other things other than just revision though, if you manage your time well, there's plenty of hours to fit everything in - i kept on taking instrument lessons, running clubs and tutoring students etc :smile:

hope this is helpful! i do also agree that going for subjects you enjoy is the best thing. i didn't really choose my subjects tactically, just chose the 4 that i thought i would enjoy, and i think then you will 'fall into' a degree that you really enjoy.

Reply 9

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by PreyZer09
Hey guys, so I have had an issue in deciding my a levels for months now, and my deadline to pick is in a few days after weekend.
Recently, I started sixth form and picked the a levels of maths, chemistry, biology and physics. This is a heavy workload, and I dont see how it helps (fm needed for imperial/cambridge anyway, correct me if I'm wrong)
I am confused between the career pathways of medicine and engineering/cs, as I like arduino, coding and building things, but I also really want to have an impact and have work which lets me help and connect with vulnerable people, not just sitting at a desk all day (but maybe this isn't the case).
Anyway so I'm really stuck on my a levels and have a few options
Drop chem and bio for cs and fm - I'm already good at coding, so cs would lighten the workload, fm needed for engineering/cs but closes off medicine completely.
Drop bio for fm - this technically keeps all options open but marhs chem phy fm is a very heavy workload and also no bio for medicine, idk if hedging options is good.
Drop physics for fm - this closes off engineering, but keeps medicine completely open, and maths fm keeps stuff like maths and cs open.
I kinda have no idea what to do, ive been overthinking this so so much, I've been confused for literal months and my deadline is soon to decide so please help thank you

There are plenty of universities where you do not need FMaths for Engineering [I teach Maths] and many are more likely to get you a job [placement year unlike Cambridge].

You don't need CS for any of your choices.

You don't need Biology for Medicine in many unis.

Many students do take Biol, Chem, Maths and FMaths as the two Maths do overlap a bit so it's not like 4 different subjects.

Which subjects do you enjoy most - which did you do best at GCSE?

Reply 10

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by Muttley79
There are plenty of universities where you do not need FMaths for Engineering [I teach Maths] and many are more likely to get you a job [placement year unlike Cambridge].
You don't need CS for any of your choices.
You don't need Biology for Medicine in many unis.
Many students do take Biol, Chem, Maths and FMaths as the two Maths do overlap a bit so it's not like 4 different subjects.
Which subjects do you enjoy most - which did you do best at GCSE?


I got a 9 in chemistry, biology physics eng lit and history

8 in eng lang maths and comp sci (1 mark away from 9)

7 in french

I think I enjoy maths and physics, cs quite a lot, and then chemistry and biology, I don't like the memorisation part of the subjects but they are very interesting when they are logical

Reply 11

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by PreyZer09
I got a 9 in chemistry, biology physics eng lit and history
8 in eng lang maths and comp sci (1 mark away from 9)
7 in french
I think I enjoy maths and physics, cs quite a lot, and then chemistry and biology, I don't like the memorisation part of the subjects but they are very interesting when they are logical

The core three to keep Medicine and Engineering open are Chem, Maths & Physics - go from there. In my school the only combination of 4 we encourage is with FMaths because of the overlap - do you have to take 4?

Reply 12

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by Muttley79
The core three to keep Medicine and Engineering open are Chem, Maths & Physics - go from there. In my school the only combination of 4 we encourage is with FMaths because of the overlap - do you have to take 4?


I don't have to take 4 i was just thinking of fm because I want to go to a good uni like imperial or cambridge but I'm not sure

Reply 13

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by PreyZer09
I don't have to take 4 i was just thinking of fm because I want to go to a good uni like imperial or cambridge but I'm not sure

There are no 'best' unis for Medicine - all are considered equivalent and you need to check wwhether you prefer theory or more patient contact.

For Engineering - ditto - go for somewhere with a placement year like Bath. How up-to-dare is the course? Some unis [like brookes] had 3D printing in their course over 10 years ago.

Reply 14

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by PreyZer09
I don't have to take 4 i was just thinking of fm because I want to go to a good uni like imperial or cambridge but I'm not sure


Further maths will be very useful if you do go with engineering as it covers maths content which you'll be taught at a faster pace in the first year of an engineering degree.
If you don't like memorising stuff then biology is not for you, the volume of content is insane. I have already got 2.5k flashcards for bio as of September year 13 lol

Reply 15

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by PreyZer09
I got a 9 in chemistry, biology physics eng lit and history
8 in eng lang maths and comp sci (1 mark away from 9)
7 in french
I think I enjoy maths and physics, cs quite a lot, and then chemistry and biology, I don't like the memorisation part of the subjects but they are very interesting when they are logical

those are really great grades, well done! from what i've heard about a level bio it is a ridiculous amount of memorisation. for physics, there is very very little, and chem doesn't have too much either. fm of course is very logical so it seems like it would align with your interests well - if you're going to take 4 i really do think it would be a good choice!

Reply 16

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by DerDracologe
Further maths will be very useful if you do go with engineering as it covers maths content which you'll be taught at a faster pace in the first year of an engineering degree.
If you don't like memorising stuff then biology is not for you, the volume of content is insane. I have already got 2.5k flashcards for bio as of September year 13 lol

That's a bit misleading - the maths in Engineering isn't all of FMaths [it's a small subset] and there's other Maths that's not taught at school.
(edited 2 months ago)

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