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Reply 60
Hopping Mad Kangaroo
I went to at least one per lecture series just to see if I would be missing out by not showing up. Most lecture series I went to several of.

Gosh, well that's LOADS then isn't it?!

Even if I went to every single lecture for the whole year, did all the work I thought required and revised like hell for the exams I wouldn't EXPECT to get good grades. The first year is formative for a reason...
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Reblet
Gosh, well that's LOADS then isn't it?!

Even if I went to every single lecture for the whole year, did all the work I thought required and revised like hell for the exams I wouldn't EXPECT to get good grades. The first year is formative for a reason...

Given the module was split into 9 different lecturers - it was a lot of lectures I went to. If they bothered to provide a sylabbus and reading then I could have learn't the stuff easily whilst everyone is in lectures - the problem is the lecturers are too lazy/inapt to even provide that.
Reply 62
Why would they provide that?! So lazy sods could just sod turning up the lectures and just stay in bed reading? Why does that make the lecturers inept? Their title suggests what they're concerned with... They don't want a half-empty lecture theatre because they've given everything to you on a piece of paper.

Honestly what subject does that?! I'd be so pissed off if I turned up to every English lecture and then some lazy sod could do as well by just reading some hand-outs. That's not how it works... Obviously...
Reply 63
Isn't the whole idea of sciences to turn up to lectures. Hell isnt the whole idea of a degree to turn up to lectures? You could get away with self teaching at A level. Although I'm not studying physics at degree level yet but isn't the course designed so you have to turn up to lectures. Even so i find being taught something in front of me much easier than self teaching or reading anyway.

From what ive heard sciences have alot of lectures. Probably a reason behind that as well.
Reblet
HMK seems to think he understands every other department in the university and that Physics compares less favourably to them. I have friends doing Maths and Physics and they've had none of these issues that HMK talks about, but then again they do go to the lectures...

It hasn't hit them yet - that most people don't waste their Sundays doing weekly problems.

I'm merely pointing out that if HMK finds Maths so brilliant and Physics so bad he might only think Physics isn't great because he has something to compare it to. A fair point I'd say... I'm just trying to give applicants a balanced view rather than relying entirely on one person's experience.

All Physics students do maths modules - just some of them are poor at maths so choose to take the single maths ones (or do it because the Physics dept bullies them into doing so).

And HMK of course you have to go to the lectures and do the work. English doesn't tell you how to get a first, doesn't check up that you're doing the work or bother telling you step by step what to do - you're at uni so you have to do it yourself. Maybe if I was doing a joint course and one side was doing all that and the other wasn't I'd feel like you... But I never expected uni to be easy, I'd have thought so even less if I was doing something as notoriously difficult as Physics.

I would much rather having been given a booklet like politics do and tell you to get on with it tbh - you should at least be entitled to that option.

Maybe the point I'm trying to make to applicants is not to judge one department from the viewpoint of someone who attended very few lectures and failed the module... Maybe...

I only failed because I missed one of the exams - and got a 2:1 on the resits.
Reblet
Why would they provide that?! So lazy sods could just sod turning up the lectures and just stay in bed reading? Why does that make the lecturers inept? Their title suggests what they're concerned with... They don't want a half-empty lecture theatre because they've given everything to you on a piece of paper.

The good lecturers in the Maths department are happy to give out a full copy of their lecture notes, nearly everyone still turns up. Physics lecturers the vast majority of the time just read out their powerpoints, you may as well not be there. The problem is that their powerpoints are as an understatement, lacking in material.

Honestly what subject does that?! I'd be so pissed off if I turned up to every English lecture and then some lazy sod could do as well by just reading some hand-outs. That's not how it works... Obviously...

It works like that in Politics.
bloodlust
Isn't the whole idea of sciences to turn up to lectures. Hell isnt the whole idea of a degree to turn up to lectures? You could get away with self teaching at A level. Although I'm not studying physics at degree level yet but isn't the course designed so you have to turn up to lectures. Even so i find being taught something in front of me much easier than self teaching or reading anyway.

There is a difference between being taught something and going to a lecture - especially in the Physics department. They may as well handout the powerpoints and just double the tutorials, which if you get a good tutor you might learn quite a lot in. The problem is they give a lot more material and then give out half the tutorials that maths lecturers do.

From what ive heard sciences have alot of lectures. Probably a reason behind that as well.

Maths has a maximum of 12 hours contact time a week in years 3 and 4 - because they recognise letting people learn independently then knocking on someone's door when they get stuck works so much better. Of course, they also provide proper syllabuses.
Reply 67
If you got a 2:1 on the resit then why complain? You clearly managed despite not going to every lecture...
And it's worrying that Politics can be done on handouts alone... That says more about Politics than anything else.
Reblet
If you got a 2:1 on the resit then why complain? You clearly managed despite not going to every lecture...

Because I should not have had to resit perhaps in the first place - if they ran their course properly then I would have done well enough on the first paper not to have need to have done the second. Plus them making their weekly homeworks summative really annoyed me - it undermines any form of learning from your peers.

And it's worrying that Politics can be done on handouts alone... That says more about Politics than anything else.

Lectures are almost totally non-interactive - they are totally pointless really.
Reply 69
Every subject has people who fail first time round, hence why they have resits. But you can't say it's because you missed an exam BUT also the department's fault? Which is it?

Lectures aren't lessons, you sit and listen and bloody learn. It's not MEANT to be interactive. God I hate the people who stick their hands up, we're not 13 dammit!
Reblet
Every subject has people who fail first time round, hence why they have resits. But you can't say it's because you missed an exam BUT also the department's fault? Which is it?

Its both - they refused to move any exams despite some people having all 6 of them in the space of 6 days. If they had spaced them out properly I doubt I would have missed any exams.

Lectures aren't lessons, you sit and listen and bloody learn. It's not MEANT to be interactive. God I hate the people who stick their hands up, we're not 13 dammit!

Actually - any good lecturer is supposed to be interactive. Its actually written in the module handbooks for Maths.
Reply 71
Why did you miss them? Surely a lot of people had to cope with 6 exams in 6 days?

And I'm glad lectures aren't more interactive, what do just-out-of-6th-form English students know? I'd rather listen to someone renowned in their field talk about a piece of literature than a cocky student who wants to contribute just for the satisfaction of hearing their own voice. Tutorials are surely the forum for such interactivity?
Reblet
Why did you miss them? Surely a lot of people had to cope with 6 exams in 6 days?

Very few people - the reason being that the Physics Labs module in Lv1 has no exam component.

And I'm glad lectures aren't more interactive, what do just-out-of-6th-form English students know? I'd rather listen to someone renowned in their field talk about a piece of literature than a cocky student who wants to contribute just for the satisfaction of hearing their own voice. Tutorials are surely the forum for such interactivity?

If that is their style - why can't they record the lectures and stick them online / handout a copy of their lecture notes. In the sciences especially if the lecturer was to talk about their field to 1st and 2nd year undergrads no one in the room would have a clue as to what they are going on about. The idea is that they are still teaching you stuff that has about 100+ books written on it. Unfortunately the Physics lectures are too inept to actually ensure the library is properly stocked with good books on a topic.
Reply 73
They don't record the lectures or give everything on the handouts so you'll GO TO THE LECTURES!
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They don't record the lectures or give everything on the handouts so you'll GO TO THE LECTURES!

My point was that if they were actually any good then people would turn up despite them handing out the notes - because they then go down better than you reading them.
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Hopping Mad Kangaroo


Maths has a maximum of 12 hours contact time a week in years 3 and 4 - because they recognise letting people learn independently then knocking on someone's door when they get stuck works so much better. Of course, they also provide proper syllabuses.


Surely this is what the physics department do? They present you the material in lectures, give you weekly problems so you can get practice on it, tell you which books to read for which course, thus letting you learn independently.

If you get stuck, I know of no lecturer who would tell you to piss off if you went to them for help.

They don't want you to fail.
Reply 77
Hopping Mad Kangaroo
My point was that if they were actually any good then people would turn up despite them handing out the notes - because they then go down better than you reading them.

Haha utter tripe. If you gave people on paper everything covered in a lecture, nobody would bother going to the lectures as well you know. Especially early morning ones.
Reply 78
This is getting reassuring. Initially there were only negative views about physics at durham here... I'm applying to durham for physics =p.
chong, what course did you study at durham

Senor Chong
Guys, I'm a second year physicist and am enjoying the course very much - I can def recommend it.

Yes it's very hard, but that's why when you come out with a physics degree from Durham you're respected. The Durham physics course is widely regarded to be comparable with oxbridge, and in the year I applied Durham was top in the Times rankings for physics.

As for the lecturers, most of them are more than adequate, with a few bad and a few very good. Just like any other uni. You have to do work outside of lectures too, but again that will be expected of you in all good unis.

Overall, its a great course at a great uni. Didn't want you to get put off by those other posts.





The physics department do not treat you like kids. They expect you to work and will not spoon feed you everything. Wait until you get a job, you'll be in for a big surprise. Turns out you have to work in the daytime.

Anyway, I went out probably about 4 or 5 nights a week for most of first year and ended up with a first. I just worked in the day instead of pissing away my time on the internet.

And how can you say that the lecturers are bad when you don't go to the lectures? Maybe if you went to the lectures you wouldn't have failed your first year?

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