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is a B in further maths good for top econ - URGENT

My grades are A*A*Aa in Maths, chemstry, Economics & as level FM. (my teachers offered me a condition to keep FM but get As in both maths subjects)

Im considering asking my maths teachers to let me keep the full a level FM but get predicted a B in it

Im wondering whether it would be BETTER combination for UCL, Warwick , Imperial, LSE (for accounting & finance not econ), KCL , bath, exeter ect (pure econ for all except imperial & LSE), or would they just see the B as a straight disadvantage?

thank you

Reply 1

Hey, a B in further maths doesnt seem like a very advantageous position, simply because a lot of these unis would like a further maths prediction to be A or above. That being said, the rest of your grades are great and you did get an A in your AS-levels, so there is a chance that unis will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you do better than a B. I dont know if top top unis like LSE and UCL will do that though, because there is SO much competition. Best thing to do for your application is for you to have smashed your TMUA :smile:

Reply 2

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by coobsies
Hey, a B in further maths doesnt seem like a very advantageous position, simply because a lot of these unis would like a further maths prediction to be A or above. That being said, the rest of your grades are great and you did get an A in your AS-levels, so there is a chance that unis will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you do better than a B. I dont know if top top unis like LSE and UCL will do that though, because there is SO much competition. Best thing to do for your application is for you to have smashed your TMUA :smile:

Is it worth keeping FM at the B though, Ive phoned UCL many times and they have confirmed that they only take into account the top 3 a levels, but they seem to be ambiguous whether taking FM at a B is worth it. Its worth noting that most people in my class got predicted an A or above, the class is small though & I asked UCL admissions & they said they dont have access to that data.

Icl, idt the teachers would let me keep FM at a B anyway, but would you say its better to try, or it makes no difference to my application??

Reply 3

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by coobsies
Hey, a B in further maths doesnt seem like a very advantageous position, simply because a lot of these unis would like a further maths prediction to be A or above. That being said, the rest of your grades are great and you did get an A in your AS-levels, so there is a chance that unis will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you do better than a B. I dont know if top top unis like LSE and UCL will do that though, because there is SO much competition. Best thing to do for your application is for you to have smashed your TMUA :smile:

Also I got an A in the prediction exams not an actual AS level grade for FM

Reply 4

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by unaveragestudent
Also I got an A in the prediction exams not an actual AS level grade for FM

I see, why isn't your school letting you have an A prediction? I'm honestly not sure what you should do, but bear in mind taking 4 a levels is hard af. I took four, and got a b in my fourth - it was unnecessary, I didn't need it for my offers and I wasted precious time studying for that a level instead. Further maths IS necessary, but I don't know whether unis will consider the B enough for it to be worth taking it. If you want to apply for something like pure economics at unis like LSE, I would say your chances are not that great without fm unless you have absolutely smashed the TMUA, like I said before.

Reply 5

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by unaveragestudent
My grades are A*A*Aa in Maths, chemstry, Economics & as level FM. (my teachers offered me a condition to keep FM but get As in both maths subjects)
Im considering asking my maths teachers to let me keep the full a level FM but get predicted a B in it
Im wondering whether it would be BETTER combination for UCL, Warwick , Imperial, LSE (for accounting & finance not econ), KCL , bath, exeter ect (pure econ for all except imperial & LSE), or would they just see the B as a straight disadvantage?
thank you

Hi unaveragestudent,

I’m at Exeter, so I can share a bit of insight from here.

For Exeter, admissions decisions are based on your top three A-levels - so even though taking Further Maths is great, what really matters is achieving the best possible grades in your three strongest subjects.

Having Maths and Further Maths can sometimes be a bit counterintuitive unless you’re really confident with them, since some unis view them as overlapping and prefer a bit more subject variety. For courses like Economics or Accounting & Finance, Maths on its own already ticks the quantitative box, and combining it with strong grades in Economics and Chemistry would make a really solid application.

At Exeter, a predicted AAA would be more valuable than adding a B in Further Maths - but if you genuinely enjoy it and think you can keep your top three grades high, it can still be a nice bonus. However, do keep in mind that the second year of A levels is a lot harder than the first, so sticking to 3 may make your life a lot easier.

Hope this helps 🙂

Klaudia
University of Exeter Student Ambassador

Reply 6

Original post
by unaveragestudent
My grades are A*A*Aa in Maths, chemstry, Economics & as level FM. (my teachers offered me a condition to keep FM but get As in both maths subjects)
Im considering asking my maths teachers to let me keep the full a level FM but get predicted a B in it
Im wondering whether it would be BETTER combination for UCL, Warwick , Imperial, LSE (for accounting & finance not econ), KCL , bath, exeter ect (pure econ for all except imperial & LSE), or would they just see the B as a straight disadvantage?
thank you
I think a B in Further Maths is still okay, especially since you have a strong Maths grade. Most universities care more about your overall performance and how you handle challenging subjects.

I think it also depends on how confident you feel about keeping Further Maths. Some students choose to take tests like TMUA or STEP to show their maths ability in another way, so that could be something to think about.

Overall, I think universities will look at your full profile, not just one grade, so try not to worry too much.

Reply 7

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by coobsies
I see, why isn't your school letting you have an A prediction? I'm honestly not sure what you should do, but bear in mind taking 4 a levels is hard af. I took four, and got a b in my fourth - it was unnecessary, I didn't need it for my offers and I wasted precious time studying for that a level instead. Further maths IS necessary, but I don't know whether unis will consider the B enough for it to be worth taking it. If you want to apply for something like pure economics at unis like LSE, I would say your chances are not that great without fm unless you have absolutely smashed the TMUA, like I said before.

Yeah, not applying for pure econ at LSE, ive seen the stats, my teachers say with the current data they have they cant predict me the A* in normal maths with 4 a levels. Icl I need the A* so dropping is the best choice atm.

Reply 8

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by unaveragestudent
Yeah, not applying for pure econ at LSE, ive seen the stats, my teachers say with the current data they have they cant predict me the A* in normal maths with 4 a levels. Icl I need the A* so dropping is the best choice atm.

makes sense, best of luck for your application! i hope you get wherever you want to go to :smile:

Reply 9

Original post
by coobsies
makes sense, best of luck for your application! i hope you get wherever you want to go to :smile:

tysm, do you know anything on imperial EFDS by any chance?

Reply 10

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by unaveragestudent
tysm, do you know anything on imperial EFDS by any chance?

ah all my knowledge is what you can find on the website- you have to take the TMUA and its pretty competitive

Reply 11

Original post
by unaveragestudent
My grades are A*A*Aa in Maths, chemstry, Economics & as level FM. (my teachers offered me a condition to keep FM but get As in both maths subjects)
Im considering asking my maths teachers to let me keep the full a level FM but get predicted a B in it
Im wondering whether it would be BETTER combination for UCL, Warwick , Imperial, LSE (for accounting & finance not econ), KCL , bath, exeter ect (pure econ for all except imperial & LSE), or would they just see the B as a straight disadvantage?
thank you

You don’t meet UCL Economics’ grade requirements if you don’t have an A* in Maths - and you’re at a serious disadvantage with Warwick too. Plus you need tmua for them. If you do have an A* in maths, but no fm, it’s probably a bit better.

Here are Warwick’s admissions statistics (regarding fm) from previous years:

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Shooting yourself in the foot a bit applying to Warwick without fm (UCL is even worse…)

You’re also going to really struggle to get into LSE and Imperial EFDS courses with an econ PS - I think you’ll have to make your mind up between econ and other courses. I’d personally commit to the London unis and apply econ to safer choices but up to you

A*AAB / A*A*A is a fair way below the predicted grades that most offer holder have anyway for those four courses…

Reply 12

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by sdfj
You don’t meet UCL Economics’ grade requirements if you don’t have an A* in Maths - and you’re at a serious disadvantage with Warwick too. Plus you need tmua for them. If you do have an A* in maths, but no fm, it’s probably a bit better.
Here are Warwick’s admissions statistics (regarding fm) from previous years:
IMG_1273.jpeg
Shooting yourself in the foot a bit applying to Warwick without fm (UCL is even worse…)
You’re also going to really struggle to get into LSE and Imperial EFDS courses with an econ PS - I think you’ll have to make your mind up between econ and other courses. I’d personally commit to the London unis and apply econ to safer choices but up to you
A*AAB / A*A*A is a fair way below the predicted grades that most offer holder have anyway for those four courses…

Oh ☹️ , could you send me the source to that data?, ive seen conflicting sources, obvs warwick is competitive but with its ~50% offer rate, i thought it wasnt as bad as the data above says. I knew my chances are slim with UCL, do you think having triple A*s gives you a decent chance??

2021 warwick: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/863467/response/2063836/attach/3/FOI%20Request%20F322.21.22.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

also do you have any data about economics & management at warwick??

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