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Dropping to 3 A levels

I have just dropped to three A Levels and an EPQ (from 4 A levels) - my teachers say that 3 A levels won’t be as competitive to oxbridge or other top unis. Is this true - since I go to a private school where I am offered the chance to do 4 A levels? I want to do a humanities subject at uni - I do three “facilitating” A levels. Will my application still be competitive assuming my grades were good enough in 3 A levels? Thanks

Reply 1

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by Kayak1
I have just dropped to three A Levels and an EPQ (from 4 A levels) - my teachers say that 3 A levels won’t be as competitive to oxbridge or other top unis. Is this true - since I go to a private school where I am offered the chance to do 4 A levels? I want to do a humanities subject at uni - I do three “facilitating” A levels. Will my application still be competitive assuming my grades were good enough in 3 A levels? Thanks

Hiya - I’m also in your position! I know that it shouldn’t hurt your chances of getting into uni if you have 3 A-levels - especially if you dropped on prior to submitting your application - most unis give offers and min requirements for 3 A-Levels anyway so you should be good! Plus the EPQ can be used for some unis to get (might be phrasing this wrong) a lower entry requirement. I’m not an expert tho (obviously) so take what I say w a pinch of salt ^_^”

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by staristrying
Hiya - I’m also in your position! I know that it shouldn’t hurt your chances of getting into uni if you have 3 A-levels - especially if you dropped on prior to submitting your application - most unis give offers and min requirements for 3 A-Levels anyway so you should be good! Plus the EPQ can be used for some unis to get (might be phrasing this wrong) a lower entry requirement. I’m not an expert tho (obviously) so take what I say w a pinch of salt ^_^”


Thanks!

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my teachers say that 3 A levels won’t be as competitive to oxbridge or other top unis.

No, of course its not true. No UK Uni course requires or prefers 4 A levels, and Unis do not think 'ooo, clever' and make preferential offers to those taking 4 A levels.

Your (private) school probably likes showing off to prospective parents about 'lots of A levels' and that this makes the school's reputation supposedly 'more academic'. Just ignore this nonsense, stick with the 3 subjects and just focus on those - remember that AAA will always look better than ABBB, and that that could cost you a Uni place.

Reply 4

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by Kayak1
I have just dropped to three A Levels and an EPQ (from 4 A levels) - my teachers say that 3 A levels won’t be as competitive to oxbridge or other top unis. Is this true - since I go to a private school where I am offered the chance to do 4 A levels? I want to do a humanities subject at uni - I do three “facilitating” A levels. Will my application still be competitive assuming my grades were good enough in 3 A levels? Thanks


Technically there are more people who do get to Oxbridge with 4 A levels than 3 from what I can tell, but as a STEM student myself perhaps it’s more important in my subjects. There are far more important things than the number of A levels you do if you want a competitive application to any university, including Oxbridge.

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by McGinger
my teachers say that 3 A levels won’t be as competitive to oxbridge or other top unis.
No, of course its not true. No UK Uni course requires or prefers 4 A levels, and Unis do not think 'ooo, clever' and make preferential offers to those taking 4 A levels.
Your (private) school probably likes showing off to prospective parents about 'lots of A levels' and that this makes the school's reputation supposedly 'more academic'. Just ignore this nonsense, stick with the 3 subjects and just focus on those - remember that AAA will always look better than ABBB, and that that could cost you a Uni place.


Thanks

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by Ol184
Technically there are more people who do get to Oxbridge with 4 A levels than 3 from what I can tell, but as a STEM student myself perhaps it’s more important in my subjects. There are far more important things than the number of A levels you do if you want a competitive application to any university, including Oxbridge.

Just because they had 4 A levels, this does not mean that was why they got an offer.
There is a big difference between causation and correlation.

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by McGinger
Just because they had 4 A levels, this does not mean that was why they got an offer.
There is a big difference between causation and correlation.


It isn’t exactly why, but it’s a good way to show you can handle the workload. It can raise questions if you have the option and resources to manage four, and choose not to. Particularly if the area you wish to be going into is linked to the four areas of study. Some universities also consider that four a levels and may make a different offer based on this.
Specifically for Oxbridge due to its very competitive nature there’s a slight disadvantage to only doing three for a few STEM courses. Any other university it doesn’t matter at all I agree.

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by Ol184
It isn’t exactly why, but it’s a good way to show you can handle the workload. It can raise questions if you have the option and resources to manage four, and choose not to. Particularly if the area you wish to be going into is linked to the four areas of study. Some universities also consider that four a levels and may make a different offer based on this.
Specifically for Oxbridge due to its very competitive nature there’s a slight disadvantage to only doing three for a few STEM courses. Any other university it doesn’t matter at all I agree.

Have you got any evidence of any of this to back up your claims - or it is just 'I've heard' or 'I assume'?

Reply 9

The issue is: "since I go to a private school where I am offered the chance to do 4 A levels"

All universities will see what is normally for your school, top universities are looking for students who did better then nearly all other students at their school. If the school is setup so students can cope with the workload of 4 A levels, Oxford/Cambridge will question if a student who only does 3 A levels will cope with the very high workload they have due to sort terms.

More is expected from people who have been given more....... (But if you have 2hr on the bus each everyday and other students don't etc, with the teacher explaining so in your reference, then it maybe different.)

What sort of reference do you think you will get when you chosen to do less work then the school thinks you should be doing?

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by ringi
The issue is: "since I go to a private school where I am offered the chance to do 4 A levels"
All universities will see what is normally for your school, top universities are looking for students who did better then nearly all other students at their school. If the school is setup so students can cope with the workload of 4 A levels, Oxford/Cambridge will question if a student who only does 3 A levels will cope with the very high workload they have due to sort terms.
More is expected from people who have been given more....... (But if you have 2hr on the bus each everyday and other students don't etc, with the teacher explaining so in your reference, then it maybe different.)
What sort of reference do you think you will get when you chosen to do less work then the school thinks you should be doing?

All universities will see what is normally for your school, top universities are looking for students who did better then nearly all other students at their school.

Total nonsense. We do not have access to this sort of data, nor would we use it to make Admissions decisions.

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by McGinger
Have you got any evidence of any of this to back up your claims - or it is just 'I've heard' or 'I assume'?


https://www.imperial.ac.uk/study/courses/undergraduate/chemical-engineering/
Imperial college London make different typical offers if you’ve done 4 a levels. This can be found under any of their engineering courses.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/number_of_a_levels_by_engineerin/response/2659519/attach/3/FOI%202024%20354%20Gombala%20data.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1
This shows the difference between students with offers for Cambridge engineering who took three and four a levels. A stark enough difference I would say to imply more than just coincidence. My college also stopped advising students to drop to three a levels after last admissions cycle, when not all that many students got Oxbridge offers. This change was due to the feedback from these universities from what I heard, which aligns very well, enough for me to believe this

Reply 12

You are confusing 'makes alternative offers for 4 specific A levels' with 'prefers 4 A levels'.

Reply 13

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by Ol184
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/study/courses/undergraduate/chemical-engineering/
Imperial college London make different typical offers if you’ve done 4 a levels. This can be found under any of their engineering courses.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/number_of_a_levels_by_engineerin/response/2659519/attach/3/FOI%202024%20354%20Gombala%20data.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1
This shows the difference between students with offers for Cambridge engineering who took three and four a levels. A stark enough difference I would say to imply more than just coincidence. My college also stopped advising students to drop to three a levels after last admissions cycle, when not all that many students got Oxbridge offers. This change was due to the feedback from these universities from what I heard, which aligns very well, enough for me to believe this


This all seems specific to STEM subjects - I want to do languages. I have recently spoken with the admissions advisor at school - she says that for humanities (I.e. languages) 3 A-Levels is sufficient and in some cases it’s better to do stick with three and do more super curriculars

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by Ol184
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/study/courses/undergraduate/chemical-engineering/
Imperial college London make different typical offers if you’ve done 4 a levels. This can be found under any of their engineering courses.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/number_of_a_levels_by_engineerin/response/2659519/attach/3/FOI%202024%20354%20Gombala%20data.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1
This shows the difference between students with offers for Cambridge engineering who took three and four a levels. A stark enough difference I would say to imply more than just coincidence. My college also stopped advising students to drop to three a levels after last admissions cycle, when not all that many students got Oxbridge offers. This change was due to the feedback from these universities from what I heard, which aligns very well, enough for me to believe this


Imperial don’t even offer humanities subjects - they are a science based uni - so this isn’t relevant

Reply 15

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by Kayak1
This all seems specific to STEM subjects - I want to do languages. I have recently spoken with the admissions advisor at school - she says that for humanities (I.e. languages) 3 A-Levels is sufficient and in some cases it’s better to do stick with three and do more super curriculars


You’d know better than me in humanities, but I’m just sharing my experience, you can find the stats online

Reply 16

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by McGinger
You are confusing 'makes alternative offers for 4 specific A levels' with 'prefers 4 A levels'.


I made two points - alternative offers and preferred options. My comment avout imperial was to prove the first statement as you asked.
The evidence I know of would imply to me that it is advantageous to do it, at least to show you can handle the notoriously high workload. If you chocked not to believe that it’s fine, and I never said my word was factual

Reply 17

"My college also stopped advising students to drop to three a levels after last admissions cycle, when not all that many students got Oxbridge offers"

The risk is that admission tutors who have seen past applicants from that collage with 4 A levels will assume all top students at that college will have been told to do 4, so someone with 3 A levels have chosen a lower work load.

Once you are past the 3 or 4 most competitive universities for a given degree these issues stop.

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