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Should I take a fourth A-Level?

I'm about a month into Year 12 so far doing Maths, Further Maths, Physics, and an Econ related EPQ. I really want to aim for a top 5 uni (Especially Cambridge or LSE) to do a degree in either maths or econ. I'm starting to really question whether it would be beneficial to me to take economics as a fourth subject. I know it will make my application look stronger, but I'm just wondering whether the extra qualification is worth the work that comes with it, bearing in mind I'll have a month's worth of work to catch up in during the half term.

Reply 1

It's not necessarily but if you do a course with econ it will only help you and it's much more worthwhile than doing an EPQ. If you're finding your current workload very light then you could give it a try, because doing four A-Levels will give you a workload more similar to a university course.

Reply 2

No Econ degree requires or prefers A level Econ. Its actually Maths that is the critical subject. So there is no need to take A level Econ - it wont make any difference to your application for either Econ and/or Maths.

All LSE says about A level requirements for 'Mathematics and Economics' is "A*AA, with an A* in Mathematics, Where it's offered by your school or college, AS- or A-level Further Mathematics is expected to be taken and a grade A achieved." There is no disadvantage in taking Maths and FM as 2 of your 3 A levels. There is therefore no benefit in taking an extra A level in any subject for this degree.

Taking 4 A levels plus an EPQ is not a great idea for anyone. The level of work/stress could undermine all of your grades. Remember - AAA will always look better than ABBB, and that that could cost you a Uni place. Unis are not impressed by 4 subjects - they don't think 'ooo, clever' and give preferential offers. Focus on what you are taking, focus on getting top grades - that will matter - and if the EPQ becomes too much, think about dropping it in favour of your A levels.

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by McGinger
No Econ degree requires or prefers A level Econ. Its actually Maths that is the critical subject. So there is no need to take A level Econ - it wont make any difference to your application for either Econ and/or Maths.
All LSE says about A level requirements for 'Mathematics and Economics' is "A*AA, with an A* in Mathematics, Where it's offered by your school or college, AS- or A-level Further Mathematics is expected to be taken and a grade A achieved." There is no disadvantage in taking Maths and FM as 2 of your 3 A levels. There is therefore no benefit in taking an extra A level in any subject for this degree.
Taking 4 A levels plus an EPQ is not a great idea for anyone. The level of work/stress could undermine all of your grades. Remember - AAA will always look better than ABBB, and that that could cost you a Uni place. Unis are not impressed by 4 subjects - they don't think 'ooo, clever' and give preferential offers. Focus on what you are taking, focus on getting top grades - that will matter - and if the EPQ becomes too much, think about dropping it in favour of your A levels.

thanks for the advice, I'm going to try and pick up econ, and if I can't keep up with the workload i'll just drop it

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by EnglishWilly
thanks for the advice, I'm going to try and pick up econ, and if I can't keep up with the workload i'll just drop it

I agree with McGinger - drop the EPQ if you plan to pick a 4th but A level Econ is noot needed.

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by EnglishWilly
I'm about a month into Year 12 so far doing Maths, Further Maths, Physics, and an Econ related EPQ. I really want to aim for a top 5 uni (Especially Cambridge or LSE) to do a degree in either maths or econ. I'm starting to really question whether it would be beneficial to me to take economics as a fourth subject. I know it will make my application look stronger, but I'm just wondering whether the extra qualification is worth the work that comes with it, bearing in mind I'll have a month's worth of work to catch up in during the half term.
I have just been to open days and am sitting maths, further maths, physics and economics plus and EPQ and they literally tell you that they ignore the fourth A-level. Its only use appears to be that if they want A*A*A you have four chances at getting those three grades (and most of them will demand A*A* in maths and further maths anyway, so its mainly about having two chances at the A.

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by leo robbins
I have just been to open days and am sitting maths, further maths, physics and economics plus and EPQ and they literally tell you that they ignore the fourth A-level. Its only use appears to be that if they want A*A*A you have four chances at getting those three grades (and most of them will demand A*A* in maths and further maths anyway, so its mainly about having two chances at the A.

Not all unis do this - they can ask for specific grades for particular subjects - why is your school allowing 4 + EPQ?

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by Muttley79
Not all unis do this - they can ask for specific grades for particular subjects - why is your school allowing 4 + EPQ?

They mandate an EPQ and I chose the fourth A-level. Originally I wasn't sure I was going to do further maths, but I started and really enjoyed it, so I kept going. If my grades had dropped I would have dropped a subject, but they were ok, so I kept going.

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by leo robbins
They mandate an EPQ and I chose the fourth A-level. Originally I wasn't sure I was going to do further maths, but I started and really enjoyed it, so I kept going. If my grades had dropped I would have dropped a subject, but they were ok, so I kept going.

I do actually think the mandated EPQ is nuts btw.

Reply 9

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by Muttley79
Not all unis do this - they can ask for specific grades for particular subjects - why is your school allowing 4 + EPQ?

Most schools in my area allow 4 alevels + epq. Is that unusual?

Reply 10

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by ConfusedPenguin1
Most schools in my area allow 4 alevels + epq. Is that unusual?

If the 4 A levels include Maths/FMaths it's not so bad but otherwise it's too much.

Reply 11

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by ConfusedPenguin1
Most schools in my area allow 4 alevels + epq. Is that unusual?

Private schools trying to impress potential parents?
I doubt if any Academy or Comprehensive is being this daft.

Reply 12

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by McGinger
Private schools trying to impress potential parents?
I doubt if any Academy or Comprehensive is being this daft.

We've only got one local private. The rest are state schools

Reply 13

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by EnglishWilly
I'm about a month into Year 12 so far doing Maths, Further Maths, Physics, and an Econ related EPQ. I really want to aim for a top 5 uni (Especially Cambridge or LSE) to do a degree in either maths or econ. I'm starting to really question whether it would be beneficial to me to take economics as a fourth subject. I know it will make my application look stronger, but I'm just wondering whether the extra qualification is worth the work that comes with it, bearing in mind I'll have a month's worth of work to catch up in during the half term.


I’m in year 13 doing three A-levels and an EPQ. The people I know who are applying to Oxbridge are doing the same as myself. I don’t know a single person who does four A-levels. The workload in year 13 is a lot more than it was in year 12. I would stick with what you’re doing. If the uni requirements don’t need economics then there’s no reason to be concerned. You can make it clear in your personal statement that you wrote in relation to economics and that will show your interest in the subject.

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