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Do I have enough work experience for vetmed?

I'm applying for vetmed at cambridge, nottingham, surrey and edinburgh and sent my ucas application in 3 days ago. I've got a*a*a*a predicted grades in bio, chem,maths and art. However I'm kind of beginning to panic because I feel like I'm going to get rejected from all of these unis because i lack work experience. I decided on vetmed extremely late (only this year), but though it's a late decision, I'm passionate about it. The only issue is my work experience.
I'm attending an international boarding school outside of the UK right now, and so it's basically been impossible to get work experience all throughout this year. I only come back to the UK twice a year, and though i tried to contact places during the summer, everywhere was already prebooked. I've only managed to get 2 weeks at a small animal practice in Shanghai (70 hrs) and 1 week at a dog shelter in Hong Kong (30 hrs). I also have 2 weeks at a farm booked during February when i come back (this doesnt even count for some unis tho).
Is there absolutely no chance of me getting in to any of these unis? Because i was essentially told our grades and the questionnaires would be the most important factor, which I think is probably a lie now. Is the only chance i have to do vetmed to just take a gap year at this point and get placements during that year? Should i change the universities I'm applying for now whilst i can?

Reply 1

I would say theres not "no chance" of getting in at all. It will definitely be tricky but work experience is all about quality over quantity and being able to reflect on any opportunity you've had. Honestly I wish you the best of luck!

Reply 2

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by consoling-alkali
I would say theres not "no chance" of getting in at all. It will definitely be tricky but work experience is all about quality over quantity and being able to reflect on any opportunity you've had. Honestly I wish you the best of luck!

thank you!

Reply 3

hi, I'd say you're overthinking it ❤️
(this is really long hahaha)

I know most about Cambridge: https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/courses/veterinary-medicine-vetmb says, 'Work experience is not a requirement, but some experience is useful to understand the profession and what is required of its members', and that 89% of successful applicants had all 3 of bio, chem, and maths (so it fits really well with your A-Levels!).
https://www.vet.cam.ac.uk/study/vet/howtoapply says (among other things), 'if you are doing well in school science/maths, you may find the Cambridge veterinary course is the easiest to secure a place on', 'we do not require extensive vocational experience - we suggest ten working days, if possible', and, 'a recent decision to apply for veterinary medicine is no disadvantage'.
They consider the ESAT (you did that presumably), interview, personal statements etc. pretty much with equal weight.
Quality always wins over quantity for Cambridge: so long as you can discuss cases you've seen in depth - even ones you've read about online (so long as you say that it wasn't IRL), you'll be fine.
Cambridge and many other unis also suggest the 'Virtual Work Experience and Exploring the Veterinary Profession' course on FutureLearn - you get 2 weeks (which happens to be the suggested course length) free if you haven't used the platform before! Don't bother with the certificate unless you really want to. I highly recommend it - it was very interesting and not too hard to understand, and proves you really know the career and course you're getting into.

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Nottingham is a little trickier, but you might still have met the requirements. Remember once you have met the minimum, and you can discuss your experience and learnt skills in depth, there’s no need to do loads extra!
https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/studywithus/ugstudy/articles/explore-more-articles/medicine-and-health-sciences/Veterinary_medicine_work_experience_requirements.html says,
'Work experience includes: 
A minimum of three weeks of animal handling - for example in a veterinary practice, a cattery, kennels, livery, zoo, wildlife park or research lab.
Plus any combination of the below -
Up to two weeks of customer facing experience - this could be working as a waiter, receptionist, cashier, call centre agent, barista, or retail assistant, for example.
Up to two weeks of teamwork experience - this could be doing a Duke of Edinburgh Award (minimum 1 week), Ten Tors (maximum 1 week), playing in a sports team, or taking part in a drama club or theatre performance, for example.
Up to two weeks for completing theVirtual Work Experience and Exploring the Veterinary Profession free online course*.
Another two weeks of animal handling.
Work can be paid or unpaid and carried out over varying hours and days. Five days of work experience is equal to one week.
This needs to have been completed by the October deadline.’
It looks like you’ve met the 3 week section, and so long as you have had at least 2 weeks of WEX from the second section, all is well - have you done anything like this? Remember they can’t accept ‘Work experience at a family member's farm or veterinary practice, or with pets’.
🙂

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Surrey:
According to https://www.surrey.ac.uk/undergraduate/veterinary-medicine-and-science, they ‘do not require evidence of Veterinary Work Experience as part of your application’, but there is a questionnaire, and you need to ‘have a clear understanding and insight into the profession, demonstrating the personal skills and qualities relevant to the course’. They say work experience can help you gain an ‘understanding of the varied nature and potential challenges of becoming a veterinary medicine professional’. Work experience is one of the best ways of doing this, but not the only way! It sounds to me like you are passionate, and know what you’re getting into. All vet schools love applicants who prove they understand the hard parts of the profession, are confident you can cope with them, and that despite them it’s still the course they want. I don’t know what the short questionnaire they send involves, but try to mention this if there’s a way you can 🙂

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Edinburgh:
Make sure you’ve done the form obvi! https://vet.ed.ac.uk/education/undergraduate/how-to-apply/wes-form. You’ve probably already seen that they also let you put in work experience that’s happening after the deadline.
They ‘do not ask for specific types or number of days/weeks for work experience as it depends, to some extent, on the opportunities available to individual candidates. The broader the experience, the better, but you should not gain experience to the detriment of your academic studies. You should, however, gain both veterinary practice and animal work experience’. It sounds like you’ve fulfilled the basic criteria outlined in sentence 3, and hopefully you've had some varied experiences within that!
https://www.theukcatpeople.co.uk/guide/vet-school/veterinary/university-of-royal-****-edinburgh?srsltid=AfmBOorAdX7bLxSRLgBmddivIlDtTNQ8BnR9-JktaSc5n09WZlWYG0h1 outlines the WEX that they recommend:

Seeing veterinary practice, both large and small animal if possible

Livestock farms - dairy and lambing are particularly useful

Other animal establishments, such as zoos, kennels, catteries, wildlife centres, pig farms, poultry farms and stables

A day at an abattoir is recommended but not demanded

We encourage experience gained in veterinary or medical laboratories to help you appreciate the scientific basis of veterinary medicine

We will also take into consideration the online courses'

So if you haven’t already done the form, you could put the 'Virtual Work Experience and Exploring the Veterinary Profession' MOOC on. You could also talk about it in the WEX section of the Edinburgh MMI. Also have you considered research into an abattoir? Vet schools seem to really like it, but for me, this has been the most horrible part of applying... Anyway, make sure you can ‘appreciate the scientific basis of veterinary medicine’ - so really link your vocational knowledge to in-depth scientific wider reading and research you’ve done.

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In summary, it's definitely more about the depth of your experiences and your ability to discuss them rather than the quantity, and it looks to me like you've pretty much met all the minimum requirements, so you're all good!

Good luck and I wish you all the best! I’m also applying for Cambridge vet med this year - which college have you picked (if any)? Maybe we’ll end up there together ❤️
(edited 1 month ago)

Reply 4

Original post
by canal.boats
hi, I'd say you're overthinking it ❤️
(this is really long hahaha)
I know most about Cambridge: https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/courses/veterinary-medicine-vetmb says, 'Work experience is not a requirement, but some experience is useful to understand the profession and what is required of its members', and that 89% of successful applicants had all 3 of bio, chem, and maths (so it fits really well with your A-Levels!).
https://www.vet.cam.ac.uk/study/vet/howtoapply says (among other things), 'if you are doing well in school science/maths, you may find the Cambridge veterinary course is the easiest to secure a place on', 'we do not require extensive vocational experience - we suggest ten working days, if possible', and, 'a recent decision to apply for veterinary medicine is no disadvantage'.
They consider the ESAT (you did that presumably), interview, personal statements etc. pretty much with equal weight.
Quality always wins over quantity for Cambridge: so long as you can discuss cases you've seen in depth - even ones you've read about online (so long as you say that it wasn't IRL), you'll be fine.
Cambridge and many other unis also suggest the 'Virtual Work Experience and Exploring the Veterinary Profession' course on FutureLearn - you get 2 weeks (which happens to be the suggested course length) free if you haven't used the platform before! Don't bother with the certificate unless you really want to. I highly recommend it - it was very interesting and not too hard to understand, and proves you really know the career and course you're getting into.
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Nottingham is a little trickier, but you might still have met the requirements. Remember once you have met the minimum, and you can discuss your experience and learnt skills in depth, there’s no need to do loads extra!
https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/studywithus/ugstudy/articles/explore-more-articles/medicine-and-health-sciences/Veterinary_medicine_work_experience_requirements.html says,
'Work experience includes: 
A minimum of three weeks of animal handling - for example in a veterinary practice, a cattery, kennels, livery, zoo, wildlife park or research lab.
Plus any combination of the below -
Up to two weeks of customer facing experience - this could be working as a waiter, receptionist, cashier, call centre agent, barista, or retail assistant, for example.
Up to two weeks of teamwork experience - this could be doing a Duke of Edinburgh Award (minimum 1 week), Ten Tors (maximum 1 week), playing in a sports team, or taking part in a drama club or theatre performance, for example.
Up to two weeks for completing theVirtual Work Experience and Exploring the Veterinary Profession free online course*.
Another two weeks of animal handling.
Work can be paid or unpaid and carried out over varying hours and days. Five days of work experience is equal to one week.
This needs to have been completed by the October deadline.’
It looks like you’ve met the 3 week section, and so long as you have had at least 2 weeks of WEX from the second section, all is well - have you done anything like this? Remember they can’t accept ‘Work experience at a family member's farm or veterinary practice, or with pets’.
🙂
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Surrey:
According to https://www.surrey.ac.uk/undergraduate/veterinary-medicine-and-science, they ‘do not require evidence of Veterinary Work Experience as part of your application’, but there is a questionnaire, and you need to ‘have a clear understanding and insight into the profession, demonstrating the personal skills and qualities relevant to the course’. They say work experience can help you gain an ‘understanding of the varied nature and potential challenges of becoming a veterinary medicine professional’. Work experience is one of the best ways of doing this, but not the only way! It sounds to me like you are passionate, and know what you’re getting into. All vet schools love applicants who prove they understand the hard parts of the profession, are confident you can cope with them, and that despite them it’s still the course they want. I don’t know what the short questionnaire they send involves, but try to mention this if there’s a way you can 🙂
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Edinburgh:
Make sure you’ve done the form obvi! https://vet.ed.ac.uk/education/undergraduate/how-to-apply/wes-form. You’ve probably already seen that they also let you put in work experience that’s happening after the deadline.
They ‘do not ask for specific types or number of days/weeks for work experience as it depends, to some extent, on the opportunities available to individual candidates. The broader the experience, the better, but you should not gain experience to the detriment of your academic studies. You should, however, gain both veterinary practice and animal work experience’. It sounds like you’ve fulfilled the basic criteria outlined in sentence 3, and hopefully you've had some varied experiences within that!
https://www.theukcatpeople.co.uk/guide/vet-school/veterinary/university-of-royal-****-edinburgh?srsltid=AfmBOorAdX7bLxSRLgBmddivIlDtTNQ8BnR9-JktaSc5n09WZlWYG0h1 outlines the WEX that they recommend:

Seeing veterinary practice, both large and small animal if possible

Livestock farms - dairy and lambing are particularly useful

Other animal establishments, such as zoos, kennels, catteries, wildlife centres, pig farms, poultry farms and stables

A day at an abattoir is recommended but not demanded

We encourage experience gained in veterinary or medical laboratories to help you appreciate the scientific basis of veterinary medicine

We will also take into consideration the online courses'

So if you haven’t already done the form, you could put the 'Virtual Work Experience and Exploring the Veterinary Profession' MOOC on. You could also talk about it in the WEX section of the Edinburgh MMI. Also have you considered research into an abattoir? Vet schools seem to really like it, but for me, this has been the most horrible part of applying... Anyway, make sure you can ‘appreciate the scientific basis of veterinary medicine’ - so really link your vocational knowledge to in-depth scientific wider reading and research you’ve done.
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In summary, it's definitely more about the depth of your experiences and your ability to discuss them rather than the quantity, and it looks to me like you've pretty much met all the minimum requirements, so you're all good!
Good luck and I wish you all the best! I’m also applying for Cambridge vet med this year - which college have you picked (if any)? Maybe we’ll end up there together ❤️
first off, thank you so much for your super detailed response! ❤️ i really appreciate it and am super grateful that you shared all this research with me.
As for the edinburgh WES form i submitted it a couple days ago, unfortunately i didn't add in the 'Virtual work experience and exploring the veterinary profession' online course (which I have done) :frown:
For Nottingham, do things like being in a school music ensemble/band count as work experience? I was a bit confused, because they allow sports teams but I wasn't sure if this only counted for professional sports teams. I've been in a band for about a year now, and have also been playing in a couple ensembles at my school for a year and a bit, do you think they'll allow it?
i'm applying to queens! what about you? :smile:

Reply 5

Original post
by s_wu07
first off, thank you so much for your super detailed response! ❤️ i really appreciate it and am super grateful that you shared all this research with me.
As for the edinburgh WES form i submitted it a couple days ago, unfortunately i didn't add in the 'Virtual work experience and exploring the veterinary profession' online course (which I have done) :frown:
For Nottingham, do things like being in a school music ensemble/band count as work experience? I was a bit confused, because they allow sports teams but I wasn't sure if this only counted for professional sports teams. I've been in a band for about a year now, and have also been playing in a couple ensembles at my school for a year and a bit, do you think they'll allow it?
i'm applying to queens! what about you? :smile:
I'm like 95% sure they'll count the sports and music - did you put it on? 🙂 I've also done lots of musical stuff but it doesn't really count towards any of the unis I've applied for sadly ☹️ I've tried to shove ensembles into the Bristol SAQ and my PS and stuff, but idrk how relevant they are - cause obviously it's transferable skills, but I don't wanna write too much about music (cause they'll wonder why I'm not applying for a music degree lol).
Queen's is so gorgeous and I love the bridgeeee. I've applied for Emmanuel but I lowkey didn't realise how super academic it is so maybe I'll get pooled.. oh well. They sent an admissions email this morning and I got super scared but they were just saying 'do the forms' so that was so anticlimactic. Not long til we find out if we have interviews tho; is it similar for Queen's?

Reply 6

Original post
by canal.boats
I'm like 95% sure they'll count the sports and music - did you put it on? 🙂 I've also done lots of musical stuff but it doesn't really count towards any of the unis I've applied for sadly ☹️ I've tried to shove ensembles into the Bristol SAQ and my PS and stuff, but idrk how relevant they are - cause obviously it's transferable skills, but I don't wanna write too much about music (cause they'll wonder why I'm not applying for a music degree lol).
Queen's is so gorgeous and I love the bridgeeee. I've applied for Emmanuel but I lowkey didn't realise how super academic it is so maybe I'll get pooled.. oh well. They sent an admissions email this morning and I got super scared but they were just saying 'do the forms' so that was so anticlimactic. Not long til we find out if we have interviews tho; is it similar for Queen's?

hey sorry for the late reply! hope you're still doing well, how did everything go? i ended up getting an interview offer (!) and now im just trying to prepare but struggling haha.

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