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American student - chances at Oxford law with law studies in france?

I’m a high school senior in the US and I’m trying to see whether or not i could get into Oxford law with law studies in France. I can’t tell whether or not my application is outstanding enough:

Stats:
(Note: I couldn’t fit it on here, but English and history in ninth grade were all A’s and English and 10th grader was an a and APU US history in 10th grade was a B with an AP score of 4.)

11th grade:
precalculus honors 2 - A
English 11 honors - A
AP Biology - A (AP Score: 5)
AP Computer Science Principles - A (AP Score: 5)
AP Modern World History - A (AP Score: 5)
French 4 honors - A

12th grade/
AP Calculus AB - A (AP Score: 5)
AP Economics (Micro + Macro) - (AP Score: 5)
AP French Language - A (AP Score: 5)
AP Literature - A (AP Score: 5)
Global Leadership Honors - A
(Note: would have taken AP government, but was not offered at my school)

SAT - 1570 (I might retake this to get a 1580)
LNAT - 35/42
DELF B2, DALF C1 French certification

Extracurriculars and Supercuriculars:
(Note: I have other stem stuff, but here I am listing the extracurricular and super curriculars directly related major)

Internship at a legal aid law firm - Observed cases, talked with lawyers, helped with admin
Helped to create bilingual legal literacy guide
Debate - 2 years, trying to get state and nationally recognized
Model UN - 4 years, did win Best Delegate and other awards at conferences
Independent research paper: The paper looks at how different European countries make their asylum laws and how they try to balance what's legal with what's morally or ethically right. It compares countries like the UK, France, and Germany (or others) and shows how each one handles things like helping refugees, dealing with border control, and following international rules. Some countries stick to just doing the minimum required by law, while others try to go further based on moral values. The paper argues that history, politics, and society all play a big role in shaping these choices
Sent in to publish at: - Global Youth Review
- Youth Legal Journal
- High School Law Review
- Journal of Student Research
Presented these at a conference for undergrad law in nearby university center

Schoolhouse.io Dialogue Leader - Host or co-host online discussions major current events, especially some having to do with my research paper

Personal statement:
Talked about my main interest is how law connects to morality especially in areas like asylum law. I got really curious after seeing a news report on the UK’s asylum policies and wondering: how can something be legal but still feel wrong? That led me to explore the idea that law is the “moral minimum.”
I did a research project comparing how the UK and France apply asylum law, particularly under the European Convention on Human Rights. Both follow the law, but their approaches are quite different. It made me realise how much legal decisions are shaped by each country’s politics and values, not just legal rules.
To go deeper, I took an online course from KU Leuven on European law, and I’ve read and watched a lot on legal theory including talks by Lady Hale (Lady Hale | With the Law on Our Side ) and books like The Concept of Law by H.L.A. Hart, Pure Theory of Law by Hans Kelsen, and Law’s Empire by Ronald Dworkin.

I want to know if you guys think this is outstanding or something that could get accepted.

Thanks in advance for your responses!

Reply 1

Your application looks good. Keep in mind no one will be able to tell you "if it's outstanding enough" it depends on the other applicants.

My view is always you miss 100% of the shots you don't take, so why not send in your application and see - it costs a fee to send in through UCAS but other than that you have nothing to lose.

With your PS remember to try and craft a story about how one supercurricular lead to another and mention reading case law somewhere (like actual records of x v y) because I read that Oxbridge really love that as that is what university students do. You want to show them in your PS that you have tried out being a law student and you enjoy and excel at it.

One last thing, you mentioned something about France. Are you applying for a joint degree? In which case you might want to mention French a bit on your PS but I might have misinterpreted.

Best of luck with your application!
Maryam, Cambridge Medicine offer holder

Reply 2

The law with European law course is four years with one year spent at a twined university in the country you want to specialize in. Apart from Italy you would need to be able to demonstrate language fluency in the country for the year abroad becos lectures at that uni will be in the language of that country.
The French 4 honors and DALF C1 French certification should be sufficient for this.
Your subject exploration and grades look good, but as above you'll be compared against the other applicants applying in that year. You won't know until you try. Good luck!

Reply 3

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by MaryamMajick
Your application looks good. Keep in mind no one will be able to tell you "if it's outstanding enough" it depends on the other applicants.
My view is always you miss 100% of the shots you don't take, so why not send in your application and see - it costs a fee to send in through UCAS but other than that you have nothing to lose.
With your PS remember to try and craft a story about how one supercurricular lead to another and mention reading case law somewhere (like actual records of x v y) because I read that Oxbridge really love that as that is what university students do. You want to show them in your PS that you have tried out being a law student and you enjoy and excel at it.
One last thing, you mentioned something about France. Are you applying for a joint degree? In which case you might want to mention French a bit on your PS but I might have misinterpreted.
Best of luck with your application!
Maryam, Cambridge Medicine offer holder
Salam Maryam,

Do you mean you could mention a Supreme Court UK Case in the UCAS Personal Statement? 😧

Reply 4

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by thegeek888
Salam Maryam,
Do you mean you could mention a Supreme Court UK Case in the UCAS Personal Statement? 😧


It does not have to be a supreme court case, I'm not too much of an expert in law but any cases that you've read (maybe only Supreme Court cases are publicly available?) but I've just heard that at uni they read a lot of case law so showing you have done practice of that it looks good.

Reply 5

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by MaryamMajick
It does not have to be a supreme court case, I'm not too much of an expert in law but any cases that you've read (maybe only Supreme Court cases are publicly available?) but I've just heard that at uni they read a lot of case law so showing you have done practice of that it looks good.
Supreme Court UK cases recieve a lot of attention. ...and yes there a lots of cases appearing on the Supreme Court UK website.

So, if I include one on Human Rights it should be fine? Especially for Oxford and London's: LSE, UCL, KCL and SOAS? 🙂

Reply 6

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by thegeek888
Supreme Court UK cases recieve a lot of attention. ...and yes there a lots of cases appearing on the Supreme Court UK website.
So, if I include one on Human Rights it should be fine? Especially for Oxford and London's: LSE, UCL, KCL and SOAS? 🙂


Like I said, I'm not a law applicant myself - I am just advising based on general information.

I think if you include an example you should tie it into other reading that you have done and topics you are interested in because top unis want you to reflect on what you have learned and link it to other things not just list it.

Best of luck with your application x

Reply 7

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by Anonymous
I’m a high school senior in the US and I’m trying to see whether or not i could get into Oxford law with law studies in France. I can’t tell whether or not my application is outstanding enough:
Stats:
(Note: I couldn’t fit it on here, but English and history in ninth grade were all A’s and English and 10th grader was an a and APU US history in 10th grade was a B with an AP score of 4.)
11th grade:
precalculus honors 2 - A
English 11 honors - A
AP Biology - A (AP Score: 5)
AP Computer Science Principles - A (AP Score: 5)
AP Modern World History - A (AP Score: 5)
French 4 honors - A
12th grade/
AP Calculus AB - A (AP Score: 5)
AP Economics (Micro + Macro) - (AP Score: 5)
AP French Language - A (AP Score: 5)
AP Literature - A (AP Score: 5)
Global Leadership Honors - A
(Note: would have taken AP government, but was not offered at my school)
SAT - 1570 (I might retake this to get a 1580)
LNAT - 35/42
DELF B2, DALF C1 French certification
Extracurriculars and Supercuriculars:
(Note: I have other stem stuff, but here I am listing the extracurricular and super curriculars directly related major)
Internship at a legal aid law firm - Observed cases, talked with lawyers, helped with admin
Helped to create bilingual legal literacy guide
Debate - 2 years, trying to get state and nationally recognized
Model UN - 4 years, did win Best Delegate and other awards at conferences
Independent research paper: The paper looks at how different European countries make their asylum laws and how they try to balance what's legal with what's morally or ethically right. It compares countries like the UK, France, and Germany (or others) and shows how each one handles things like helping refugees, dealing with border control, and following international rules. Some countries stick to just doing the minimum required by law, while others try to go further based on moral values. The paper argues that history, politics, and society all play a big role in shaping these choices
Sent in to publish at: - Global Youth Review
- Youth Legal Journal
- High School Law Review
- Journal of Student Research
Presented these at a conference for undergrad law in nearby university center
Schoolhouse.io Dialogue Leader - Host or co-host online discussions major current events, especially some having to do with my research paper
Personal statement:
Talked about my main interest is how law connects to morality especially in areas like asylum law. I got really curious after seeing a news report on the UK’s asylum policies and wondering: how can something be legal but still feel wrong? That led me to explore the idea that law is the “moral minimum.”
I did a research project comparing how the UK and France apply asylum law, particularly under the European Convention on Human Rights. Both follow the law, but their approaches are quite different. It made me realise how much legal decisions are shaped by each country’s politics and values, not just legal rules.
To go deeper, I took an online course from KU Leuven on European law, and I’ve read and watched a lot on legal theory including talks by Lady Hale (Lady Hale | With the Law on Our Side ) and books like The Concept of Law by H.L.A. Hart, Pure Theory of Law by Hans Kelsen, and Law’s Empire by Ronald Dworkin.
I want to know if you guys think this is outstanding or something that could get accepted.
Thanks in advance for your responses!

Your application sounds fine to me - you have 4+ APs at 5 so you meet the minimum academic requirements for admission. Whether you will be shortlisted/ get an offer will likely come down to LNAT and interview performance - pretty much everyone who applies to Oxford is an excellent student.

I'm going to disagree with @MaryamMajick and say that you don't need to specifically mention case law in your PS (you can if it is relevant, but don't feel obliged to shoehorn it in). It's certainly true that Law students are expected to read a lot of cases, but they are also expected to read a lot of books/ articles (including those you mention, which are standard Jurisprudence texts that I had to read). The key is to demonstrate interest in law as an academic subject, which you do.

Good luck!

Reply 8

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by mishieru07
Your application sounds fine to me - you have 4+ APs at 5 so you meet the minimum academic requirements for admission. Whether you will be shortlisted/ get an offer will likely come down to LNAT and interview performance - pretty much everyone who applies to Oxford is an excellent student.
I'm going to disagree with @MaryamMajick and say that you don't need to specifically mention case law in your PS (you can if it is relevant, but don't feel obliged to shoehorn it in). It's certainly true that Law students are expected to read a lot of cases, but they are also expected to read a lot of books/ articles (including those you mention, which are standard Jurisprudence texts that I had to read). The key is to demonstrate interest in law as an academic subject, which you do.
Good luck!


Absolutely, I think my conversation with OP led to me emphasizing it a lot but it's not something you have to include, it's just one of many things you could use to show interest and admissions officers might be impressed by you reading case law but they might equally be impressed by other things.

The important thing is that you demonstrate that you have engaged with law at a university level and you are excited and passionate about it.

Reply 9

Original post
by mishieru07
Your application sounds fine to me - you have 4+ APs at 5 so you meet the minimum academic requirements for admission. Whether you will be shortlisted/ get an offer will likely come down to LNAT and interview performance - pretty much everyone who applies to Oxford is an excellent student.
I'm going to disagree with @MaryamMajick and say that you don't need to specifically mention case law in your PS (you can if it is relevant, but don't feel obliged to shoehorn it in). It's certainly true that Law students are expected to read a lot of cases, but they are also expected to read a lot of books/ articles (including those you mention, which are standard Jurisprudence texts that I had to read). The key is to demonstrate interest in law as an academic subject, which you do.
Good luck!
Thank you for your response! What are some ways I can prepare to preform my best at the interview if I get asked?

Reply 10

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by Anonymous
Thank you for your response! What are some ways I can prepare to preform my best at the interview if I get asked?

Look up publicly available resources about what Oxford Law interviews are like (e.g. http://apply.oxfordsu.org/courses/law/interviews/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AO5DyNC-Yg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTMEwoTDJIg). Have a think about how you would approach those questions and practise thinking out loud.

Reply 11

Original post
by thegeek888
Supreme Court UK cases recieve a lot of attention. ...and yes there a lots of cases appearing on the Supreme Court UK website.
So, if I include one on Human Rights it should be fine? Especially for Oxford and London's: LSE, UCL, KCL and SOAS? 🙂

Hi there,
As said above, adding a court case can provide some value to your statement if you properly analyse the case (eg. saying how it interested you in a specific area of law, changed your perception possibly or why it has made you want to do Law). Again, you don't have to include a court case there are other experiences that can be used. For example, certain readings on the law, whether it be by legal academics or articles on current legal affairs, can be used and analysed with the questions I set out above. Another great option is attending lectures or events as they also show the initiative and your interest in the legal sector. m
Many law firms hold open days or events where you can hear about the changing legal landscape from industry experts. SOAS also hold these events and lectures which are open to the public, we have one on the 27th November on Africa and International Arbitration. What's great about these is that they're delivered by actual lecturers in the legal field.

Any of these will be very helpful towards your personal statement. Do remember, you don't have to do all of these. What makes your personal statement great is how you analyse these experiences and how they have added to you as a person.

This article from UCAS will be a helpful guide on how to write your personal statement as well as this one which guides you what we look for in a personal statement.

Hope this helps and good luck!
Sarah

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