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Why do a lot of women now prefer career and social media success to having a family?

I'm genuinely perplexed by this phenomenon. Is FOMO online and career aspiration so strong that it trumps having a family with a guy?? I see women that want to pursue everything, career, sports career outside that etc. No interest in having a kid seemingly and it seems quite strange to me. Maybe there is so much competition and mutual antipathy now also, that this means people don't like anyone enough. The whole thing seems like a sad indictment of our society.

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by EuropeanIAm
I'm genuinely perplexed by this phenomenon. Is FOMO online and career aspiration so strong that it trumps having a family with a guy?? I see women that want to pursue everything, career, sports career outside that etc. No interest in having a kid seemingly and it seems quite strange to me. Maybe there is so much competition and mutual antipathy now also, that this means people don't like anyone enough. Is modern day feminism a factor also? The whole thing seems like a sad indictment of our society.
Hi I can reply from my perspective. I have no interest in a kid or family and am very career orientated.
I don’t think it’s sad at all. Some people just have different aspirations in life. For me the idea of having children has never been appealing to me. I used to babysit my cousins and I just don’t enjoy it! It’s just not for me and it’s as simple as that!

Pursuing my passion in life is what makes me happy and I get the biggest sense of fulfilment from it! I’m hoping to go into a design based career and I love creating things and doing research. I also do sports (archery) and I just enjoy it! I get to speak to lots of people, make friends and have fun doing it!

I’m not an uncaring person. I care for my friends and family it’s just not my goal to have a child. And I think that’s okay! It’s a choice at the end of the day and some people want kids and some don’t. Whatever you choose has to be right for you! And I know a career is right for me.

I’ll also say I don’t think online things have anything to do with it. I was raised without the internet and I was raised Catholic. But regardless of this I’ve always wanted a career and never kids. And I am also interested in romantic things too. It is possible to have a relationship and a successful career! It’s also possible to have a family and a successful career. There’s many women who have done it.

I think it’s great that women have the opportunity to choose what they want in life. Some women choose careers, some choose family and some both! And that’s okay. I don’t think it’s a sad indictment of our society at all, more a positive!

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by Anonymous
Hi I can reply from my perspective. I have no interest in a kid or family and am very career orientated.
I don’t think it’s sad at all. Some people just have different aspirations in life. For me the idea of having children has never been appealing to me. I used to babysit my cousins and I just don’t enjoy it! It’s just not for me and it’s as simple as that!
Pursuing my passion in life is what makes me happy and I get the biggest sense of fulfilment from it! I’m hoping to go into a design based career and I love creating things and doing research. I also do sports (archery) and I just enjoy it! I get to speak to lots of people, make friends and have fun doing it!
I’m not an uncaring person. I care for my friends and family it’s just not my goal to have a child. And I think that’s okay! It’s a choice at the end of the day and some people want kids and some don’t. Whatever you choose has to be right for you! And I know a career is right for me.
I’ll also say I don’t think online things have anything to do with it. I was raised without the internet and I was raised Catholic. But regardless of this I’ve always wanted a career and never kids. And I am also interested in romantic things too. It is possible to have a relationship and a successful career! It’s also possible to have a family and a successful career. There’s many women who have done it.
I think it’s great that women have the opportunity to choose what they want in life. Some women choose careers, some choose family and some both! And that’s okay. I don’t think it’s a sad indictment of our society at all, more a positive!

I didn't mean to judge anyone who doesn't want kids, I don't have them myself and I know that's a complex subject. But it's the constant prioritising of self promotion and a shallow dopamine hit and vague connection online to less but higher quality sincere intimate relationships that I find depressing tbh.

Reply 3

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by EuropeanIAm
I'm genuinely perplexed by this phenomenon. Is FOMO online and career aspiration so strong that it trumps having a family with a guy?? I see women that want to pursue everything, career, sports career outside that etc. No interest in having a kid seemingly and it seems quite strange to me. Maybe there is so much competition and mutual antipathy now also, that this means people don't like anyone enough. Is modern day feminism a factor also? The whole thing seems like a sad indictment of our society.
misogyny

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by EuropeanIAm
I'm genuinely perplexed by this phenomenon. Is FOMO online and career aspiration so strong that it trumps having a family with a guy?? I see women that want to pursue everything, career, sports career outside that etc. No interest in having a kid seemingly and it seems quite strange to me. Maybe there is so much competition and mutual antipathy now also, that this means people don't like anyone enough. Is modern day feminism a factor also? The whole thing seems like a sad indictment of our society.

I have both as do many women - we were shut out of jobs for so long in the past. Did you know that in the 1950s that when a female teacher married she had to stop teaching - disgraceful.

Reply 5

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by EuropeanIAm
I didn't mean to judge anyone who doesn't want kids, I don't have them myself and I know that's a complex subject. But it's the constant prioritising of self promotion and a shallow dopamine hit and vague connection online to less but higher quality sincere intimate relationships that I find depressing tbh.

Hi! I think the reduction in close relationships and conversation is really sad too. Can I ask why you specified women? Surely, if that for you is the focus of your depression surrounding the subject, why men who do not want to become fathers do not also fall under your question?

Reply 6

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by EuropeanIAm
I'm genuinely perplexed by this phenomenon. Is FOMO online and career aspiration so strong that it trumps having a family with a guy?? I see women that want to pursue everything, career, sports career outside that etc. No interest in having a kid seemingly and it seems quite strange to me. Maybe there is so much competition and mutual antipathy now also, that this means people don't like anyone enough. Is modern day feminism a factor also? The whole thing seems like a sad indictment of our society.

This is a student forum, why are you trying to have a debate about conservative values being ignored by women who want a life that involves more than just motherhood?

Reply 7

I just want to become financially independent (I’m not strictly interested the RE part) ASAP and buy a one bed flat somewhere.

Although the leasehold/freehold system in England and Wales especially for flats is daylight robbery so maybe I’ll move to somewhere like Scotland to get a flat or get a bungalow if I stay put in England.

…Or worse, cave in and buy a 3-4 bed house (I don’t need a place that big therefore I won’t buy it).

I love money but I’m not so interested in career promotion or the salary figure itself, I need enough to become financially independent. Whether that happens to need to be 30K or 100K doesn’t matter to me.

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by EuropeanIAm
I'm genuinely perplexed by this phenomenon. Is FOMO online and career aspiration so strong that it trumps having a family with a guy?? I see women that want to pursue everything, career, sports career outside that etc. No interest in having a kid seemingly and it seems quite strange to me. Maybe there is so much competition and mutual antipathy now also, that this means people don't like anyone enough. Is modern day feminism a factor also? The whole thing seems like a sad indictment of our society.

very interesting you position women being ambitious and having lives outside of their partner and family as a negative! do you do the same for men? 🤨

Reply 9

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by Anonymous
misogyny

Elaborate

Reply 10

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by Anonymous
Hi! I think the reduction in close relationships and conversation is really sad too. Can I ask why you specified women? Surely, if that for you is the focus of your depression surrounding the subject, why men who do not want to become fathers do not also fall under your question?

Yes sorry you may be right but I can't say I've observed as many men who don't want to be Dad's tbh

Reply 11

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by Anonymous
very interesting you position women being ambitious and having lives outside of their partner and family as a negative! do you do the same for men? 🤨

Well I wasn't actually referring to women with family in the op, I was specifically referring to people who find it a hinderance seemingly.

Reply 12

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by EuropeanIAm
Elaborate

historically, women have been stripped of their identity and had their existence reduced to being mothers and/or wives with little regard for their humanity. with misogyny becoming very mainstream again, we not only see a resurgence of these ideas but also so much vile, misogynistic rhetoric being openingly supported by a concerning amount boys/men, coupled with a global rise of violence against women, also perpetuated by men. as a young woman, this has put me off from not only relationships with men but also having children because i wouldn't want to bring a daughter into a world that doesn't view her as a human being beyond her reproductive capabilities or potentially having a son who is misogynstic (the likelihood of that is incredibly high because i've come to learn that misogyny is basically inescapable).

on a more positive note, i am very grateful for the work of women who have historically fought for the expansion of our rights. because of them, i can pursue my life to the fullest (or relatively compared to them). i love learning, so my goals include eventually achieving a phd. i can't speak for all women of course, but historically, and still even today, having the odds being set against us is ironically a very big source of motivation - perhaps, it's the reason women are now outcompetiting men in education.

Reply 13

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by EuropeanIAm
Well I wasn't actually referring to women with family in the op, I was specifically referring to people who find it a hinderance seemingly.

you might want to read your second sentence again 😭

Reply 14

Quite logical. Men want children to pass on their genes, they have evolved to want this. Men always had less to loose by having se*ual encounters than women, because men do not have to go any hormonal changes when they get children. Or to carry it H24 for 9 months. And they usually also do minimal childcare. Men basically get all the perks of having children, from a societal and status point of view, whilst women increase their daily workload in terms of keeping a house, as well as decrease their value in the workplace. They can't work after each pregnancy and get discriminated in the workplace. Women also do the bulk of child caring. I witnessed a woman trying to do basic activities yesterday with her 3 months old and it honestly looked like hell. You can't do anything without having the child start screaming, crying and wanting to be held. I can see why women would be put off having children quite clearly. Her partner didn't have to do the same thing. With the number of divorces, the risk of being a single mum and infidelity as well men's salaries not being sufficient to relieve the woman from the financial burden, let alone be a reliable source of income for the woman incase anything happens to her partner, I wonder why women would want to give everything to their family, unless she genuinely wants to be a mother.

Reply 15

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by Anonymous
you might want to read your second sentence again 😭

Nope it was pretty clear. If anyone is deliberately confused that is maybe their agenda to make their argument stronger. I clearly referred to women who didn't want kids.

Reply 16

yes, this is the part that i identified!

Reply 17

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by Anonymous
historically, women have been stripped of their identity and had their existence reduced to being mothers and/or wives with little regard for their humanity. with misogyny becoming very mainstream again, we not only see a resurgence of these ideas but also so much vile, misogynistic rhetoric being openingly supported by a concerning amount boys/men, coupled with a global rise of violence against women, also perpetuated by men. as a young woman, this has put me off from not only relationships with men but also having children because i wouldn't want to bring a daughter into a world that doesn't view her as a human being beyond her reproductive capabilities or potentially having a son who is misogynstic (the likelihood of that is incredibly high because i've come to learn that misogyny is basically inescapable).
on a more positive note, i am very grateful for the work of women who have historically fought for the expansion of our rights. because of them, i can pursue my life to the fullest (or relatively compared to them). i love learning, so my goals include eventually achieving a phd. i can't speak for all women of course, but historically, and still even today, having the odds being set against us is ironically a very big source of motivation - perhaps, it's the reason women are now outcompetiting men in education.

Women are out competing men in education and it's interesting. I think professions have become more suited to female abilities but also men are extremely demotivated to be a provider for a woman these days. Whatever the reasons for that it has undeniably happened.

Reply 18

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by EuropeanIAm
Women are out competing men in education and it's interesting. I think professions have become more suited to female abilities but also men are extremely demotivated to be a provider for a woman these days. Whatever the reasons for that it has undeniably happened.

To attribute professions as "being more suited to female abilities" is very reductive, ignores the entrenched systemic misogyny within the job market itself, presents women as incapable of success unless they are helped and lastly, borders on being bioessentialist - what even is "female abilities"?. I am very sceptical of the validity of that point. It's also interesting you point out men being demotivated to be the provider, considering the increasing support of men towards right-wing, conservative politics. to a certain extent, I agree. I think a lot of men prefer a conservative society as they are placed at the top and reap the unpaid labour and services of women simply for being men, but they don't want to fulfil that provider role bc that involves work.

Reply 19

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by Anonymous
To attribute professions as "being more suited to female abilities" is very reductive, ignores the entrenched systemic misogyny within the job market itself, presents women as incapable of success unless they are helped and lastly, borders on being bioessentialist - what even is "female abilities"?. I am very sceptical of the validity of that point. It's also interesting you point out men being demotivated to be the provider, considering the increasing support of men towards right-wing, conservative politics. to a certain extent, I agree. I think a lot of men prefer a conservative society as they are placed at the top and reap the unpaid labour and services of women simply for being men, but they don't want to fulfil that provider role bc that involves work.

Is there entrenched misogyny in the job market? Seems pretty equal to me. Where is this great lack of female representation? Female abilities are proficiency with language, people skills, multi tasking etc. Male abilities are more abstract. Also they have a more single-minded focus when needed. This has been proven with intelligence tests. You seem to portray me as subjective and you as objective when you yourself are making subjective statements. You even clearly imply men are lazier than women at the end.
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