Farage will strip EU citizens of benefits unilaterally
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Nigel Farage will strip EU citizens of benefits, more than double the cost of the NHS surcharge and cut foreign aid spending by more than 70 per cent. Even if the EU disagrees, the withdrawal agreement will be broken unilaterally.
I wonder what the EU's reaction will be (other than targeting British citizens in the EU)
Nigel Farage will strip EU citizens of benefits, more than double the cost of the NHS surcharge and cut foreign aid spending by more than 70 per cent. Even if the EU disagrees, the withdrawal agreement will be broken unilaterally.
I wonder what the EU's reaction will be (other than targeting British citizens in the EU)
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Good.
I don’t like Farage but immigrants should not receive welfare and we should not splutter money on foreign aid.
I don’t like Farage but immigrants should not receive welfare and we should not splutter money on foreign aid.
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by Rakas21Good.
I don’t like Farage but immigrants should not receive welfare and we should not splutter money on foreign aid.
I don’t like Farage but immigrants should not receive welfare and we should not splutter money on foreign aid.
Then why did Breixters vote to allow millions of non-EU migrants into the country that are going to be a massive burden on the taxpayer once they become eligible for indefinite leave to remain and are
We’ve now got Labour scrabbling around trying to fix a problem that the likes of Farage and those who voted for Brexit knowingly created.
I feel like people often don't realise that the point of benefits is that not providing those costs the state more. If you don't give unemployment benefits to people, they become homeless or need to resort to petty crime to keep themselves and their families alive, and then cost more in policing, healthcare (because no, you can't leave someone to die on the street "even" if they're not originally born in the UK), and associated costs. Likewise if you don't provide healthcare coverage, more people will be sick for longer missing work and impacting productivity, and/or be incentivised into "presenteeism" where they go into work while sick, potentially getting others sick (including your precious British born people) who then STILL need to be treated by the NHS at a higher cost due to the increased amount of sicknesses presenting (who then ALSO have to be off work further impacting productivity more).
And before you say "well then we should just ship them off back to your country" that raises the question of then who is going to do the jobs they were originally doing here? Because we've already seen that when migrant fruit and vegetable pickers had restrictions/limitations placed on visas, not only did British people NOT take up those jobs, the (British) farmers also couldn't even afford to pay legal wages to them. Likewise the NHS is reliant on foreign healthcare workers in a lot of HCA and nursing roles for example because there simply aren't enough British people who WANT to do those jobs and are training to do them. The dirty secret all the Reformers and Brexiters refuse to accept is that Britain is reliant on foreign labour, and in fact on effectively exploitative foreign labour, to function as a 1st world country, and simply is unable to create economic incentives for British workers to fill those roles.
And before you say "well then we should just ship them off back to your country" that raises the question of then who is going to do the jobs they were originally doing here? Because we've already seen that when migrant fruit and vegetable pickers had restrictions/limitations placed on visas, not only did British people NOT take up those jobs, the (British) farmers also couldn't even afford to pay legal wages to them. Likewise the NHS is reliant on foreign healthcare workers in a lot of HCA and nursing roles for example because there simply aren't enough British people who WANT to do those jobs and are training to do them. The dirty secret all the Reformers and Brexiters refuse to accept is that Britain is reliant on foreign labour, and in fact on effectively exploitative foreign labour, to function as a 1st world country, and simply is unable to create economic incentives for British workers to fill those roles.
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by Gazpacho.Then why did Breixters vote to allow millions of non-EU migrants into the country that are going to be a massive burden on the taxpayer once they become eligible for indefinite leave to remain and are
We’ve now got Labour scrabbling around trying to fix a problem that the likes of Farage and those who voted for Brexit knowingly created.
We’ve now got Labour scrabbling around trying to fix a problem that the likes of Farage and those who voted for Brexit knowingly created.
We didn't, the manifesto commitment in 2019 did not contain that. It is regretful that we replaced the establishment with the establishment pressed right up against the establishment box.
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by Rakas21Good.
I don’t like Farage but immigrants should not receive welfare and we should not splutter money on foreign aid.
I don’t like Farage but immigrants should not receive welfare and we should not splutter money on foreign aid.
Immigrants generally, including EU citizens, are more likely to be employed, less likely to use public services like the NHS and less likely to commit crimes than British nationals. But even if none of that is true, why should they not be protected by the welfare state like everyone else?
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by Rakas21We didn't, the manifesto commitment in 2019 did not contain that. It is regretful that we replaced the establishment with the establishment pressed right up against the establishment box.
Every informed person knew non-EU migration would rise in the wake of Brexit. Brexit supporters and Conservative voters knew what they were voting for. The harm inflicted on Britain is on them.
Your second sentence is nonsensical.
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by Crazy JamieImmigrants generally, including EU citizens, are more likely to be employed, less likely to use public services like the NHS and less likely to commit crimes than British nationals. But even if none of that is true, why should they not be protected by the welfare state like everyone else?
Welfare should be reserved for citizens and first generation immigrants should not be rewarded with that privilege of being citizen. They are not truly one of us.
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by Rakas21Welfare should be reserved for citizens and first generation immigrants should not be rewarded with that privilege of being citizen. They are not truly one of us.
What do you think "one of us" actually means though? There are plenty of British citizens in this country who were originally immigrants and obtained British citizenship later on. Are they "one of us"? There are equally plenty of immigrants who live in this country, work in this country, pay tax and contribute to society, who could become British citizens but choose not to. What difference does it make whether they decide to become British citizens or not? They're the exact same people doing the exact same job and contributing in the exact same way regardless aren't they? You refer to the welfare state as a 'privilege' but it's paid for by national insurance contributions. Why should those who contribute to it not be allowed to benefit from it just because their passport says a different word under 'nationality' than yours does?
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by reneepiehttps://archive.ph/akFXb
Nigel Farage will strip EU citizens of benefits, more than double the cost of the NHS surcharge and cut foreign aid spending by more than 70 per cent. Even if the EU disagrees, the withdrawal agreement will be broken unilaterally.
I wonder what the EU's reaction will be (other than targeting British citizens in the EU)
Nigel Farage will strip EU citizens of benefits, more than double the cost of the NHS surcharge and cut foreign aid spending by more than 70 per cent. Even if the EU disagrees, the withdrawal agreement will be broken unilaterally.
I wonder what the EU's reaction will be (other than targeting British citizens in the EU)
He won't do any of that. Even if he does get into power, he will discover that we have something in this country called "the rule of law" and we also have a parliamentary democracy. He is talking like a dictator where what the dictator says, happens.
The thing that you need to be aware of is that he knows all of this. He is a clever man. He knows how to lie and manipulate the public into supporting him and he also knows that if he gets into power, he won't be able to deliver half of what he promises. Like Trump, this isn't about the UK. This is about Farage and his own personal crusade into power.
If Farage wins, be a supporter or not, prepare to be very disappointed at what happens. We have seen Reform councils being run into the ground. He will ruin this country through mal-administration.
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by Rakas21Good.
I don’t like Farage but immigrants should not receive welfare and we should not splutter money on foreign aid.
I don’t like Farage but immigrants should not receive welfare and we should not splutter money on foreign aid.
Such a short sighted attitude. So we shouldn't spend money on education programs that help stop people from wanting to come to this country? Or aid to natural disasters meaning, people can stay where they are rather than feeling the need to flee to safer countries like the UK?
As a country we need to stop thinking with our emotions and start thinking with our brains. Sadly seems to be in short supply these days and with social media and politicians alike getting people angry for no reason, we end up with posts like this.
@Rakas21 You are being played my dear friend. And you have fallen for it hook line and sinker.
(edited 1 month ago)
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by hotpudSuch a short sighted attitude. So we shouldn't spend money on education programs that help stop people from wanting to come to this country? Or aid to natural disasters meaning, people can stay where they are rather than feeling the need to flee to safer countries like the UK?
As a country we need to stop thinking with our emotions and start thinking with our brains. Sadly seems to be in short supply these days and with social media and politicians alike getting people angry for no reason, we end up with posts like this.
@Rakas21 You are being played my dear friend. And you have fallen for it hook line and sinker.
As a country we need to stop thinking with our emotions and start thinking with our brains. Sadly seems to be in short supply these days and with social media and politicians alike getting people angry for no reason, we end up with posts like this.
@Rakas21 You are being played my dear friend. And you have fallen for it hook line and sinker.
There’s nothing to stop us having a small emergency fund. When I’m speaking of the international development budget I’m mainly referring to just that.
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by Rakas21Your logic relies on the idea that if we enforced a near zero asylum system, people ‘wanting’ to come would matter. We have six figure asylum (including illegal arrivals) because the law currently allows 70% to be accepted.
There’s nothing to stop us having a small emergency fund. When I’m speaking of the international development budget I’m mainly referring to just that.
There’s nothing to stop us having a small emergency fund. When I’m speaking of the international development budget I’m mainly referring to just that.
I still think you are going to be in for a world of disappointment if Farage gets in. He talks a good talk but he has no solutions to any of the problems he bats away. We will not see mass deportation, nor are we likely to significantly prevent those who arrive on our shores from arriving unless you are prepared to walk around in a police state with your papers and have frequent check points to make sure you are legal. Starmer has mooted the idea of an identity card again. It was roundly rejected.
Interesting smippet about the fact that everyone seems to want to have their cake and eat it
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Lefties want high spending paid for somehow by the rich
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RIghties want low taxation but high spending done through imaginary efficiency savings
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Far righties want mass deportation but don't seem to accept that suddenly removing millions people people from the labour market will have an impact.
Time to put your head back in the sand.
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by hotpudI still think you are going to be in for a world of disappointment if Farage gets in. He talks a good talk but he has no solutions to any of the problems he bats away. We will not see mass deportation, nor are we likely to significantly prevent those who arrive on our shores from arriving unless you are prepared to walk around in a police state with your papers and have frequent check points to make sure you are legal. Starmer has mooted the idea of an identity card again. It was roundly rejected.
Interesting smippet about the fact that everyone seems to want to have their cake and eat it
Time to put your head back in the sand.
Interesting smippet about the fact that everyone seems to want to have their cake and eat it
•
Lefties want high spending paid for somehow by the rich
•
RIghties want low taxation but high spending done through imaginary efficiency savings
•
Far righties want mass deportation but don't seem to accept that suddenly removing millions people people from the labour market will have an impact.
Time to put your head back in the sand.
You again operate from the false position that I have any faith in Farage or will even vote for him. Nor am I actually opposed to relatively high immigration. Just not asylum seekers.
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