Where to apply to for Law
so I've been struggling w where to apply to for a while now bc originally I was going to apply to Kings but my school refuses to put me at an A* for my ucas for any of my subjects and its too late to apply to unis like bristol bc I cancelled my Lnat (not that i wanted to go anyways)
But my current grades are AAA + A in EPQ and the unis i have rn are: Southampton, Surrey, City, and QMUL. Idk what to put as my 5th option so help would be rlly appreciated. I do consider night life + multicultural community when applying tho but most important thing for me is getting a job after uni or being able to get placements in law firms
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But my current grades are AAA + A in EPQ and the unis i have rn are: Southampton, Surrey, City, and QMUL. Idk what to put as my 5th option so help would be rlly appreciated. I do consider night life + multicultural community when applying tho but most important thing for me is getting a job after uni or being able to get placements in law firms
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Reply 1
Nottingham maybe? I’ve applied there for law too, I’ve heard the night/student life and community is amazing and I’m pretty sure it’s somehwere in the top 15 and apparently performs very well in terms of graduate earnings and has connections with law firms , the grades are AAA but I’ve recieved a contextual offer for AAB
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by rgerfefrerso I've been struggling w where to apply to for a while now bc originally I was going to apply to Kings but my school refuses to put me at an A* for my ucas for any of my subjects and its too late to apply to unis like bristol bc I cancelled my Lnat (not that i wanted to go anyways)
But my current grades are AAA + A in EPQ and the unis i have rn are: Southampton, Surrey, City, and QMUL. Idk what to put as my 5th option so help would be rlly appreciated. I do consider night life + multicultural community when applying tho but most important thing for me is getting a job after uni or being able to get placements in law firms)
But my current grades are AAA + A in EPQ and the unis i have rn are: Southampton, Surrey, City, and QMUL. Idk what to put as my 5th option so help would be rlly appreciated. I do consider night life + multicultural community when applying tho but most important thing for me is getting a job after uni or being able to get placements in law firms
)Hi I had the same problem & same stats as you. I would recommend Sheffield or Liverpool
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by rgerfefrerso I've been struggling w where to apply to for a while now bc originally I was going to apply to Kings but my school refuses to put me at an A* for my ucas for any of my subjects and its too late to apply to unis like bristol bc I cancelled my Lnat (not that i wanted to go anyways)
But my current grades are AAA + A in EPQ and the unis i have rn are: Southampton, Surrey, City, and QMUL. Idk what to put as my 5th option so help would be rlly appreciated. I do consider night life + multicultural community when applying tho but most important thing for me is getting a job after uni or being able to get placements in law firms)
But my current grades are AAA + A in EPQ and the unis i have rn are: Southampton, Surrey, City, and QMUL. Idk what to put as my 5th option so help would be rlly appreciated. I do consider night life + multicultural community when applying tho but most important thing for me is getting a job after uni or being able to get placements in law firms
)Hello,
If work experience is important to you and you're looking at universities in the south, I'd highly recommend considering studying an LLB at the University of Law!
Firstly, its largest campus is at London Bloomsbury, just across the street from Soho, and is well-connected to all other parts of London, so the social part is definitely covered. With regards to job prospects and work experience, the university has an amazing connections with top law firms and a great employability team, which you can read more about here. As a specialist university, you may find student life slightly different to the other options you've been considering, but I would argue its professional focus sets you up all the better for a future career in law - all the while still offering the societies and communities you might expect at a regular university. The entry requirements are currently BBB, so with AAA as your current grades you're in a fantastic position already!
Best of luck!
Holly
PGDL Student
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by rgerfefrerso I've been struggling w where to apply to for a while now bc originally I was going to apply to Kings but my school refuses to put me at an A* for my ucas for any of my subjects and its too late to apply to unis like bristol bc I cancelled my Lnat (not that i wanted to go anyways)
But my current grades are AAA + A in EPQ and the unis i have rn are: Southampton, Surrey, City, and QMUL. Idk what to put as my 5th option so help would be rlly appreciated. I do consider night life + multicultural community when applying tho but most important thing for me is getting a job after uni or being able to get placements in law firms)
But my current grades are AAA + A in EPQ and the unis i have rn are: Southampton, Surrey, City, and QMUL. Idk what to put as my 5th option so help would be rlly appreciated. I do consider night life + multicultural community when applying tho but most important thing for me is getting a job after uni or being able to get placements in law firms
)Reply 5
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by rgerfefrerso I've been struggling w where to apply to for a while now bc originally I was going to apply to Kings but my school refuses to put me at an A* for my ucas for any of my subjects and its too late to apply to unis like bristol bc I cancelled my Lnat (not that i wanted to go anyways)
But my current grades are AAA + A in EPQ and the unis i have rn are: Southampton, Surrey, City, and QMUL. Idk what to put as my 5th option so help would be rlly appreciated. I do consider night life + multicultural community when applying tho but most important thing for me is getting a job after uni or being able to get placements in law firms)
But my current grades are AAA + A in EPQ and the unis i have rn are: Southampton, Surrey, City, and QMUL. Idk what to put as my 5th option so help would be rlly appreciated. I do consider night life + multicultural community when applying tho but most important thing for me is getting a job after uni or being able to get placements in law firms
)Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, UCL, King’s College London is good
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by aaaaardygrdrghOxford, Cambridge, LSE, UCL, King’s College London is good
The OP has said they are not going to be predicted any A* so highly unlikely to get into any of those choices!! They also said they didn’t take the LNAT! Yes, Oxford advertises AAA, but in reality rarely takes anyone for law with those grades, and requires LNAT. I know this because year-on-year TSR groups put together a chart showing predicted grades for those with Oxbridge offers, invariably they are much higher. That’s not to say there won’t be the odd one, but it’s high risk.
OP, you need to be looking at mid tier unis. If you want Russell Group then go Notts, Sheffield, York, Cardiff, Warwick etc - no particular order. Obviously you’re limited by not taking the LNAT now. If you want non RG, then Leicester and Lancaster are pretty good.
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by BarryScott2022The OP has said they are not going to be predicted any A* so highly unlikely to get into any of those choices!! They also said they didn’t take the LNAT! Yes, Oxford advertises AAA, but in reality rarely takes anyone for law with those grades, and requires LNAT. I know this because year-on-year TSR groups put together a chart showing predicted grades for those with Oxbridge offers, invariably they are much higher. That’s not to say there won’t be the odd one, but it’s high risk.
OP, you need to be looking at mid tier unis. If you want Russell Group then go Notts, Sheffield, York, Cardiff, Warwick etc - no particular order. Obviously you’re limited by not taking the LNAT now. If you want non RG, then Leicester and Lancaster are pretty good.
OP, you need to be looking at mid tier unis. If you want Russell Group then go Notts, Sheffield, York, Cardiff, Warwick etc - no particular order. Obviously you’re limited by not taking the LNAT now. If you want non RG, then Leicester and Lancaster are pretty good.
Reply 8
There used to be a forum on here showing the spreadsheet of Oxford offers for all subjects (obviously this doesn’t include every offer holder so isn’t an exact science, but gives a guide). I recall looking at it in 2022 and 2023 as I was considering applying but after an awful outreach programme and visit, decided against Oxbridge altogether (much to my sixth form’s chagrin). Unfortunately, the spreadsheet seems to have been removed. This was the thread from 2024 showing a screenshot.
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7369093
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7369093
Reply 9
Part of my post seems to have disappeared above (I have this issue a lot on here on mobile - one of the reasons/frustrations why I stopped posting as much!)
On another Oxford post it was stated that around 10% had AAA for LLB, 20% A*AA, remaining 70% higher again. I cannot ratify the source though which isn’t helpful. Oxford does consider GCSEs, LNAT and interview. But there’s a strong positive correlation between top scoring GCSE grades and top scoring A-level grades - yes, there’ll always be an outlier, however we are talking about probabilities here.
Regardless, to tell the OP to consider applying to Oxbridge/KCL etc with AAA and no LNAT is a non-starter anyway.
On another Oxford post it was stated that around 10% had AAA for LLB, 20% A*AA, remaining 70% higher again. I cannot ratify the source though which isn’t helpful. Oxford does consider GCSEs, LNAT and interview. But there’s a strong positive correlation between top scoring GCSE grades and top scoring A-level grades - yes, there’ll always be an outlier, however we are talking about probabilities here.
Regardless, to tell the OP to consider applying to Oxbridge/KCL etc with AAA and no LNAT is a non-starter anyway.
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by thegeek888@Stiffy Byng is it true?
No.
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by BarryScott2022There used to be a forum on here showing the spreadsheet of Oxford offers for all subjects (obviously this doesn’t include every offer holder so isn’t an exact science, but gives a guide). I recall looking at it in 2022 and 2023 as I was considering applying but after an awful outreach programme and visit, decided against Oxbridge altogether (much to my sixth form’s chagrin). Unfortunately, the spreadsheet seems to have been removed. This was the thread from 2024 showing a screenshot.
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7369093
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7369093
Oxford says AAA. It means what it says. Please do not spread misinformation. Correlation and causation are not the same.
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by Stiffy ByngOxford says AAA. It means what it says. Please do not spread misinformation. Correlation and causation are not the same.
I’d be interested to see the actual statistics you base your ‘no’ reply on given the information below, please.
It appears that Oxford does not breakdown the A-level grades of their students by subject because of data protection, it is only by enrolled year. They have been asked for this via FOI and have refused to give the data specifically on A-level grades with Jurisprudence.
However, I did find this, albeit it is for all courses and not just Jurisprudence, given the above moratorium on data. It states that in 2024, 86.4% of all enrolling students achieved A*AA / A*A*A/ A*A*A*. With only 16.6% of accepted applicants achieving AAA or below e.g. A*A*B.
Statistically, therefore, you are more likely to be successful in gaining a place at Oxford with higher grades than AAA. But, as I reiterated originally, it is not impossible if you do well in the rest of the selection matrix and receive an offer, particularly once contextual factors are considered.
Regardless, the OP hasn’t done the LNAT so it is a moot point to recommend Oxford or any LNAT university as a PP did, in their case!
https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students/current/overall-numbers/qualifications
Reply 13
*Typo, apols, should read only 13.6% of successful applicants achieved AAA or below.
I won’t try and edit as this forum always loses half of my post when I do 🙄.
I won’t try and edit as this forum always loses half of my post when I do 🙄.
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by BarryScott2022I’d be interested to see the actual statistics you base your ‘no’ reply on given the information below, please.
It appears that Oxford does not breakdown the A-level grades of their students by subject because of data protection, it is only by enrolled year. They have been asked for this via FOI and have refused to give the data specifically on A-level grades with Jurisprudence.
However, I did find this, albeit it is for all courses and not just Jurisprudence, given the above moratorium on data. It states that in 2024, 86.4% of all enrolling students achieved A*AA / A*A*A/ A*A*A*. With only 16.6% of accepted applicants achieving AAA or below e.g. A*A*B.
Statistically, therefore, you are more likely to be successful in gaining a place at Oxford with higher grades than AAA. But, as I reiterated originally, it is not impossible if you do well in the rest of the selection matrix and receive an offer, particularly once contextual factors are considered.
Regardless, the OP hasn’t done the LNAT so it is a moot point to recommend Oxford or any LNAT university as a PP did, in their case!
https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students/current/overall-numbers/qualifications
It appears that Oxford does not breakdown the A-level grades of their students by subject because of data protection, it is only by enrolled year. They have been asked for this via FOI and have refused to give the data specifically on A-level grades with Jurisprudence.
However, I did find this, albeit it is for all courses and not just Jurisprudence, given the above moratorium on data. It states that in 2024, 86.4% of all enrolling students achieved A*AA / A*A*A/ A*A*A*. With only 16.6% of accepted applicants achieving AAA or below e.g. A*A*B.
Statistically, therefore, you are more likely to be successful in gaining a place at Oxford with higher grades than AAA. But, as I reiterated originally, it is not impossible if you do well in the rest of the selection matrix and receive an offer, particularly once contextual factors are considered.
Regardless, the OP hasn’t done the LNAT so it is a moot point to recommend Oxford or any LNAT university as a PP did, in their case!
https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students/current/overall-numbers/qualifications
Oxford says AAA. It means what it says. Please do not spread misinformation. Correlation and causation are not the same.
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by rgerfefrerso I've been struggling w where to apply to for a while now bc originally I was going to apply to Kings but my school refuses to put me at an A* for my ucas for any of my subjects and its too late to apply to unis like bristol bc I cancelled my Lnat (not that i wanted to go anyways)
But my current grades are AAA + A in EPQ and the unis i have rn are: Southampton, Surrey, City, and QMUL. Idk what to put as my 5th option so help would be rlly appreciated. I do consider night life + multicultural community when applying tho but most important thing for me is getting a job after uni or being able to get placements in law firms)
But my current grades are AAA + A in EPQ and the unis i have rn are: Southampton, Surrey, City, and QMUL. Idk what to put as my 5th option so help would be rlly appreciated. I do consider night life + multicultural community when applying tho but most important thing for me is getting a job after uni or being able to get placements in law firms
)Hi there,
Law Grades
SOAS is a great option for law. The grades needed for LLB Law is AAB which your grades exceed. In terms of the LNAT, it is not needed for LLB Law at SOAS if you have completed A-levels, which I am assuming is your case. However, if you have completed any BTEC subjects you would need the LNAT.
Night Life + Diversity
Considering the uni is located in London Bloomsbury next to UCL and Birbeck, the nightlife is great with the ability to interact with a range of students from the different universities. Our societies also contribute to this and you can check this out on our Student Union Instagram Page. Our university is very diverse and embraces a lot of cultures which our societies can attest to as well as the fact that our undergraduate students are made up of around 50% international students.
Opportunities
What's great about SOAS is that we get the option to take part in experiences like Pro Bono and work in specific sectors in our second and third year. You can click the link here to see the different placement opportunities. Many students have also gone to work at top firms both in the UK and Internationally. You can take a look at the student experience here. Our career service also provides great help with gaining placements and internships as they guide you in your application ensuring your CV is suitable. Our professors contribute a great deal too as they have real experience in the field and help run the placement clinics and are always eager to help students out.
To make your decision, I would recommend booking a campus tour to have a feel of the different universities.You can also chat with our students to see how their experience was at SOAS studying law.
Good luck!
Sarah
Reply 16
@Stiffy Byng
There is no misinformation being ‘spread’ here, it is based on Oxford’s own data. Yes, correlation and causation are different, but Oxford’s statistics across all students reinforce my point.
The A-level grades of those accepted show you are less likely to be accepted at Oxford with AAA. As did the aforementioned spreadsheet on here. This showed those receiving offers by subject and their predicted grades. I studied it over 2 years, and, as already stated, the predicted grades for most offer holders were above AAA. It was not an exact science, which I did admit, but it did provide a snapshot which correlated with Oxford’s own data.
Just because they state AAA, in reality that does not necessarily mean the majority of the students have that - which was my point all along. I did not say it was impossible to read Jurisprudence at Oxford with AAA, I said it is statistically more likely that an offer and acceptance will go to someone with higher grades.
The statistics of less than 14% of all 2024 Oxford entrants having AAA (or below), show that. That is 441 students out of 3245 enrolled across all courses.
I would welcome seeing the facts and statistics reinforcing your flat out ‘no’ on Jurisprudence though, as previously requested.
There is no misinformation being ‘spread’ here, it is based on Oxford’s own data. Yes, correlation and causation are different, but Oxford’s statistics across all students reinforce my point.
The A-level grades of those accepted show you are less likely to be accepted at Oxford with AAA. As did the aforementioned spreadsheet on here. This showed those receiving offers by subject and their predicted grades. I studied it over 2 years, and, as already stated, the predicted grades for most offer holders were above AAA. It was not an exact science, which I did admit, but it did provide a snapshot which correlated with Oxford’s own data.
Just because they state AAA, in reality that does not necessarily mean the majority of the students have that - which was my point all along. I did not say it was impossible to read Jurisprudence at Oxford with AAA, I said it is statistically more likely that an offer and acceptance will go to someone with higher grades.
The statistics of less than 14% of all 2024 Oxford entrants having AAA (or below), show that. That is 441 students out of 3245 enrolled across all courses.
I would welcome seeing the facts and statistics reinforcing your flat out ‘no’ on Jurisprudence though, as previously requested.
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by BarryScott2022@Stiffy Byng
There is no misinformation being ‘spread’ here, it is based on Oxford’s own data. Yes, correlation and causation are different, but Oxford’s statistics across all students reinforce my point.
The A-level grades of those accepted show you are less likely to be accepted at Oxford with AAA. As did the aforementioned spreadsheet on here. This showed those receiving offers by subject and their predicted grades. I studied it over 2 years, and, as already stated, the predicted grades for most offer holders were above AAA. It was not an exact science, which I did admit, but it did provide a snapshot which correlated with Oxford’s own data.
Just because they state AAA, in reality that does not necessarily mean the majority of the students have that - which was my point all along. I did not say it was impossible to read Jurisprudence at Oxford with AAA, I said it is statistically more likely that an offer and acceptance will go to someone with higher grades.
The statistics of less than 14% of all 2024 Oxford entrants having AAA (or below), show that. That is 441 students out of 3245 enrolled across all courses.
I would welcome seeing the facts and statistics reinforcing your flat out ‘no’ on Jurisprudence though, as previously requested.
There is no misinformation being ‘spread’ here, it is based on Oxford’s own data. Yes, correlation and causation are different, but Oxford’s statistics across all students reinforce my point.
The A-level grades of those accepted show you are less likely to be accepted at Oxford with AAA. As did the aforementioned spreadsheet on here. This showed those receiving offers by subject and their predicted grades. I studied it over 2 years, and, as already stated, the predicted grades for most offer holders were above AAA. It was not an exact science, which I did admit, but it did provide a snapshot which correlated with Oxford’s own data.
Just because they state AAA, in reality that does not necessarily mean the majority of the students have that - which was my point all along. I did not say it was impossible to read Jurisprudence at Oxford with AAA, I said it is statistically more likely that an offer and acceptance will go to someone with higher grades.
The statistics of less than 14% of all 2024 Oxford entrants having AAA (or below), show that. That is 441 students out of 3245 enrolled across all courses.
I would welcome seeing the facts and statistics reinforcing your flat out ‘no’ on Jurisprudence though, as previously requested.
I repeat: Oxford says AAA. It means what it says. You are getting correlation entangled with causation. You are making the common mistake of assuming that, because several of those who obtain places at Oxford to read Jurisprudence achieve grades higher than AAA, such grades are needed on order to obtain a place. Oxford does not agree with you. AAA means AAA. Every year, Oxford admits some people with AAA and rejects some people with higher grades.
(edited 1 month ago)
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by aaaaardygrdrghOxford, Cambridge, LSE, UCL, King’s College London is good
The OP could have a pop at those places next year, if he or she achieves good grades next year, and he or she takes the LNAT in the 25/27 admissions cycle. The OP is not in the running for those places this year.
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by Stiffy ByngI repeat: Oxford says AAA. It means what it says. You are getting correlation entangled with causation.
You have repeated the causation and correlation line three times now. I have accepted that they are different, but it does not change the black & white data on actual accepted student grades across subjects. As the evidence supports my previous statements about Oxford, I stand by them.
Simply printing AAA entry on a website/in a prospectus vs the actual data shows entry levels are significantly higher, over 86% higher across the board, in reality.
However, I am happy to concede if you can provide the data to reinforce your personal point of view. I have requested this three times now, however, you keep ignoring it.
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