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Swapping out LSE?

Hi all, I made a post similar to this so I'm sorry if this seems like a repost!!
I was wondering if I could get some opinions on my UCAS application
For reference, my predicted grades are A*A*AB (A* in maths, A* in Computer science, A in Economics and a B in further maths unfortunately)
My GCSEs are 9888877777 (7.6 average) with a 9 in maths and 7s in English lit and lang
I'm a contextual student and I receive FSM

Another note is that I am unable to raise my predicted grades at all, this is as my school overpredicted last year's cohort so our years predicted grades is either what we got in the mock or a grade higher

The universities I applied to is:
LSE - Bsc Economics and data science - A*AA but they want a FM A too (Contextual is A*AB but the same requirements)
IMPERIAL - Bsc Economics, finance and data science - A*AA - A* in Maths
WARWICK - Ba Social sciences with data science - ABB
BRISTOL - Bsc Economics and data science - A*AA - A* in Maths (Contextual AAB)
LEICESTER - Bsc Economics and data analytics - ABB

I talked with my advisor over my UCAS application and he encouraged me to still apply for LSE as I'd just be disadvantaged with my FM grade, however I'm starting to realise how disadvantaged my application really is compared to others and I simply think it's too much of a reach and basically a wasted space.
My personal statement is also heavily revolved around Economics and data science too - so the courses I could choose are pretty slim, I was looking at the two courses:

MANCHESTER - BaEcon Data science and Economics - AAA (Contextual : ABB)
SOUTHHAMPTON - Bsc Economics with data science - AAA

I'm thinking of replacing Leicester too as I probably wouldn't go there if I really have to,,,,,,

I know my stats aren't the best compared to others in and around this forum but any advice would be great!!
Personalised I’d stick with what you have already. Working in admissions I’d say you’re playing it quite safe with those predictions, especially if you are contextual eligible for some or all of them.

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by Admit-One
Personalised I’d stick with what you have already. Working in admissions I’d say you’re playing it quite safe with those predictions, especially if you are contextual eligible for some or all of them.

Do you really think so? I feel like the LSE course is really competitive and my application would probably be the easiest to reject as I'm under the entry requirements

Reply 3

It is competitive sure, but grades aren't the only thing they look at. Plenty of LSE stories out there of an A*AA student being chosen over quadruple A* students.

Reply 4

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by mxssino
Hi all, I made a post similar to this so I'm sorry if this seems like a repost!!
I was wondering if I could get some opinions on my UCAS application
For reference, my predicted grades are A*A*AB (A* in maths, A* in Computer science, A in Economics and a B in further maths unfortunately)
My GCSEs are 9888877777 (7.6 average) with a 9 in maths and 7s in English lit and lang
I'm a contextual student and I receive FSM
Another note is that I am unable to raise my predicted grades at all, this is as my school overpredicted last year's cohort so our years predicted grades is either what we got in the mock or a grade higher
The universities I applied to is:
LSE - Bsc Economics and data science - A*AA but they want a FM A too (Contextual is A*AB but the same requirements)
IMPERIAL - Bsc Economics, finance and data science - A*AA - A* in Maths
WARWICK - Ba Social sciences with data science - ABB
BRISTOL - Bsc Economics and data science - A*AA - A* in Maths (Contextual AAB)
LEICESTER - Bsc Economics and data analytics - ABB
I talked with my advisor over my UCAS application and he encouraged me to still apply for LSE as I'd just be disadvantaged with my FM grade, however I'm starting to realise how disadvantaged my application really is compared to others and I simply think it's too much of a reach and basically a wasted space.
My personal statement is also heavily revolved around Economics and data science too - so the courses I could choose are pretty slim, I was looking at the two courses:
MANCHESTER - BaEcon Data science and Economics - AAA (Contextual : ABB)
SOUTHHAMPTON - Bsc Economics with data science - AAA
I'm thinking of replacing Leicester too as I probably wouldn't go there if I really have to,,,,,,
I know my stats aren't the best compared to others in and around this forum but any advice would be great!!
I'd swap out Leicester with the course at Manchester. Although that fifth slot is only a backup, Manchester has much better rep and has the same grade requirements (given the contextual offer). Based on your predictions and the other unis you're applying to, I think most would rather take gap year than go to Leicester.

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by BenRyan99
I'd swap out Leicester with the course at Manchester. Although that fifth slot is only a backup, Manchester has much better rep and has the same grade requirements (given the contextual offer). Based on your predictions and the other unis you're applying to, I think most would rather take gap year than go to Leicester.

Thanks for the advice!! Do you think it matters that I'd come out with a Ba rather than A Bsc? As Manchester only offers a BaEcon

Reply 6

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by mxssino
Thanks for the advice!! Do you think it matters that I'd come out with a Ba rather than A Bsc? As Manchester only offers a BaEcon
doesn’t matter at all
Original post
by mxssino
Do you really think so? I feel like the LSE course is really competitive and my application would probably be the easiest to reject as I'm under the entry requirements

Many unis make aspirational offers, even ones that are outwardly competitive. Ultimately you don’t need five offers back and the only way to give yourself no chance is to not apply to that choice at all.

If you’d genuinely not go to Leicester then the advice to swap that out for another backup is sound. It’s a good student city but the uni itself is a bit middling.

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by lanky_giraffe
doesn’t matter at all

Thanks!

Reply 9

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by Admit-One
Many unis make aspirational offers, even ones that are outwardly competitive. Ultimately you don’t need five offers back and the only way to give yourself no chance is to not apply to that choice at all.
If you’d genuinely not go to Leicester then the advice to swap that out for another backup is sound. It’s a good student city but the uni itself is a bit middling.
Thank you !!

Reply 10

Does LSE specify they want an A in further maths as a hard requirement? Because if they do, I would either change it or try have your predicted raised if you do think you could ultimately get an A. LSE is one of the few unis known to have automatically rejected applicants who do not meet entry requirements.

If it's not such a hard requirement, e.g they don't say they require an A, rather that many students who successfully get in have an A, there is no harm in having it as an aspirational choice!

With Leicester, if you think you would prefer to go to Manchester over Leicester, I see no harm in changing it!

Reply 11

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by DishPerson :)
Does LSE specify they want an A in further maths as a hard requirement? Because if they do, I would either change it or try have your predicted raised if you do think you could ultimately get an A. LSE is one of the few unis known to have automatically rejected applicants who do not meet entry requirements.
If it's not such a hard requirement, e.g they don't say they require an A, rather that many students who successfully get in have an A, there is no harm in having it as an aspirational choice!
With Leicester, if you think you would prefer to go to Manchester over Leicester, I see no harm in changing it!

Yeah they say it’s ‘expected’ so I assume so, which university do you think I should swap it out for? I feel like my choices are very limited

Reply 12

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by mxssino
Yeah they say it’s ‘expected’ so I assume so, which university do you think I should swap it out for? I feel like my choices are very limited

If you're not certain it may be worth clarifying whether the A in further maths is a recommendation or necessary? I think LSE have a live chat system for enquiries which means it's only available at certain times of day and on certain days so you would have to check open hours, especially during the holidays.

And for switching, it depends on why you picked LSE:

Did you like the idea of London?
What about UCL, QMUL, or any of the other London universities (sorry I can't name anymore, I never really looked into London)

Did you like the course?
This is a bit harder to find but generally I'm assuming places like Durham or Bath may have similarly intensive courses

Was it the student life?
Again. I don't really know how you would describe LSE student life but if you like sport, maybe look at Loughborough or Nottingham. If you like nights out, I think Liverpool and Newcastle are typically well known.

Was it the campus feel?
Other campus unis not on your list include Birmingham maybe?

There are so so many universities in the UK so it really depends on what your looking for! Other popular universities I know from the top of my head would be Sheffield, York, Lancaster but I feel like most cities have a university so as I said, endless options!! I'm sure if you have questions about specific places you're considering people would be more than happy to share opinions and experiences on here and other threads! Sorry about the long response :smile:

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by DishPerson :)
If you're not certain it may be worth clarifying whether the A in further maths is a recommendation or necessary? I think LSE have a live chat system for enquiries which means it's only available at certain times of day and on certain days so you would have to check open hours, especially during the holidays.
And for switching, it depends on why you picked LSE:
Did you like the idea of London?
What about UCL, QMUL, or any of the other London universities (sorry I can't name anymore, I never really looked into London)
Did you like the course?
This is a bit harder to find but generally I'm assuming places like Durham or Bath may have similarly intensive courses
Was it the student life?
Again. I don't really know how you would describe LSE student life but if you like sport, maybe look at Loughborough or Nottingham. If you like nights out, I think Liverpool and Newcastle are typically well known.
Was it the campus feel?
Other campus unis not on your list include Birmingham maybe?
There are so so many universities in the UK so it really depends on what your looking for! Other popular universities I know from the top of my head would be Sheffield, York, Lancaster but I feel like most cities have a university so as I said, endless options!! I'm sure if you have questions about specific places you're considering people would be more than happy to share opinions and experiences on here and other threads! Sorry about the long response :smile:

LSE’s live chat isn’t available right now since it’s the holidays but I’ll contact them when they’re open thanks!!
My personal statement is specifically ’economics and data science’ and I’ve basically applied to all the universities that offered this course (apart from southhampton, but I’m not sure if i even want to go there), i guess the next most similar thing would be economics and statistics but I’m unsure if universities like KCL and UCL would accept me with my personal statement if i didn’t specifically mention statistics ☹️

Reply 14

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by mxssino
Thanks for the advice!! Do you think it matters that I'd come out with a Ba rather than A Bsc? As Manchester only offers a BaEcon
It doesn't really make a difference. Basically zero employers are going to be looking at the distinction or the differences in modules covered. Furthermore, only a small percentage of those who study economics at undergrad level become economists anyway, and an employer in a non-economics field is definitely not going to know the difference between a BA/BSc Economics course at specific universities.

Personally I would ignore your ucas supervisor with respect to your LSE application. If LSE ask for further maths, and your school offered it but you didn't take it, there's very very little chance you'll get an offer. I'd see if you can swap it to something like UCL.

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by mxssino
LSE’s live chat isn’t available right now since it’s the holidays but I’ll contact them when they’re open thanks!!
My personal statement is specifically ’economics and data science’ and I’ve basically applied to all the universities that offered this course (apart from southhampton, but I’m not sure if i even want to go there), i guess the next most similar thing would be economics and statistics but I’m unsure if universities like KCL and UCL would accept me with my personal statement if i didn’t specifically mention statistics ☹️

Oh I didn't realise your course was so uncommon! That does make it tougher. I'm not sure how heavily KCL and UCL would weight the personal statement unfortunately.

I've found courses at Uni of Essex, uni of Sussex, royal Holloway, goldsmiths too. If it turns out LSE has a hard requirement and you can't get your grade changed, id just add the one of these or Southampton, whichever you find most appealing. Hopefully you get one of the other offers your much more keen on in such a situation! It's very normal to not like all 5 of your options equally so don't worry too much. Some people don't even use up all their 5 choices!

If your really not keen on that, you could always put a different course as you suggested. Maybe look at which places weight the personal statement less or accept an alternative personal statement? I think you can email some universities a second personal statement if your courses differ a lot - I may be wrong but I think Newcastle was one of them? There are others too.

Best of luck :smile:

Reply 16

Original post
by mxssino
Hi all, I made a post similar to this so I'm sorry if this seems like a repost!!
I was wondering if I could get some opinions on my UCAS application
For reference, my predicted grades are A*A*AB (A* in maths, A* in Computer science, A in Economics and a B in further maths unfortunately)
My GCSEs are 9888877777 (7.6 average) with a 9 in maths and 7s in English lit and lang
I'm a contextual student and I receive FSM
Another note is that I am unable to raise my predicted grades at all, this is as my school overpredicted last year's cohort so our years predicted grades is either what we got in the mock or a grade higher
The universities I applied to is:
LSE - Bsc Economics and data science - A*AA but they want a FM A too (Contextual is A*AB but the same requirements)
IMPERIAL - Bsc Economics, finance and data science - A*AA - A* in Maths
WARWICK - Ba Social sciences with data science - ABB
BRISTOL - Bsc Economics and data science - A*AA - A* in Maths (Contextual AAB)
LEICESTER - Bsc Economics and data analytics - ABB
I talked with my advisor over my UCAS application and he encouraged me to still apply for LSE as I'd just be disadvantaged with my FM grade, however I'm starting to realise how disadvantaged my application really is compared to others and I simply think it's too much of a reach and basically a wasted space.
My personal statement is also heavily revolved around Economics and data science too - so the courses I could choose are pretty slim, I was looking at the two courses:
MANCHESTER - BaEcon Data science and Economics - AAA (Contextual : ABB)
SOUTHHAMPTON - Bsc Economics with data science - AAA
I'm thinking of replacing Leicester too as I probably wouldn't go there if I really have to,,,,,,
I know my stats aren't the best compared to others in and around this forum but any advice would be great!!

Your TMUA would have to be very good with those predicted grades I'd say, for LSE and Imperial.

Reply 17

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by DishPerson :)
Oh I didn't realise your course was so uncommon! That does make it tougher. I'm not sure how heavily KCL and UCL would weight the personal statement unfortunately.
I've found courses at Uni of Essex, uni of Sussex, royal Holloway, goldsmiths too. If it turns out LSE has a hard requirement and you can't get your grade changed, id just add the one of these or Southampton, whichever you find most appealing. Hopefully you get one of the other offers your much more keen on in such a situation! It's very normal to not like all 5 of your options equally so don't worry too much. Some people don't even use up all their 5 choices!
If your really not keen on that, you could always put a different course as you suggested. Maybe look at which places weight the personal statement less or accept an alternative personal statement? I think you can email some universities a second personal statement if your courses differ a lot - I may be wrong but I think Newcastle was one of them? There are others too.
Best of luck :smile:

Thanks for the advice!!
You’re right about me not being too keen on going to those universities listed aha
Since it’s the holidays I doubt that they’re checking their emails as of now, but I’ll try when they do open!! Thank you :smile:

Reply 18

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by Ishti54
Your TMUA would have to be very good with those predicted grades I'd say, for LSE and Imperial.

Yeah aha I’m hoping the new writing style won’t trip me up too badly

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