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to the medical students, is medicine really worth it. I'm very academic and my work ethic and discipline are very strong. i feel doing medicine would be something that really sits well with me but is it really worth it. the work life balance is barely there and every doctor i hear complains about the low pay. specifically for people who want to work on their personal life as well should i go into dentistry and leave the idea of medicine or should i pursue it. what have your experiences been like ?

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Reply 2

Only you can answer that.

I feel like the new generation of young people want this work-life balance. They want time to do the things they love and to be perfectly honest I feel as though they don't really want the 'vocational' type of job that medicine and veterinary certainly used to be.

It's not that well paid and it's not respected by the public any longer in them main. In fact, I think the BMA are partly to blame for that and the wider NHS made changes to cause a wide-spread de-professionalisation of medicine, too.

If medicine is all you see and hear and think then it is probably the profession for you but you need to be well aware of what you are entering into. Nights, weekends, holidays, these are the realities of healthcare today- someone, somewhere has to do those shifts. You need to decide if that juice is worth the squeeze especially if you are interested in a medical or surgical route because you'll be doing these shifts long after foundation is completed.

I can appreciate this is a hard decision for most people at the GCSE/A level stages because the majority of you will have no yardstick or way to gauge what is worthwhile vocationally or in terms of a career. There are many ways to earn a good and productive living, it just depends on what your priorities are and what you can tolerate or what you enjoy.
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Reply 3

As a medical student, unless you are passionate about medicine and have clear motivation to get you through the many hardships medicine comes with, do not do it. Dentistry has that work life balance, scope for specialising, better pay...etc and personally if you are on the fence, dentistry all the way because it's so much more worth it then medicine (plus after you finish uni you have 1 year training and you are done unlike medicine which follows you into your middle age).

Reply 4

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by ErasistratusV
Only you can answer that.
I feel like the new generation of young people want this work-life balance. They want time to do the things they love and to be perfectly honest I feel as though they don't really want the 'vocational' type of job that medicine and veterinary certainly used to be.
It's not that well paid and it's not respected by the public any longer in them main. In fact, I think the BMA are partly to blame for that and the wider NHS made changes to cause a wide-spread de-professionalisation of medicine, too.
If medicine is all you see and hear and think then it is probably the profession for you but you need to be well aware of what you are entering into. Nights, weekends, holidays, these are the realities of healthcare today- someone, somewhere has to do those shifts. You need to decide if that juice is worth the squeeze especially if you are interested in a medical or surgical route because you'll be doing these shifts long after foundation is completed.
I can appreciate this is a hard decision for most people at the GCSE/A level stages because the majority of you will have no yardstick or way to gauge what is worthwhile vocationally or in terms of a career. There are many ways to earn a good and productive living, it just depends on what your priorities are and what you can tolerate or what you enjoy.

I can't agree more! I'm not a medic, but my child is applying (first medic in family if he's lucky), hence why I'm here. My husband and I are in the professional roles/careers and I think there's a lot of 'push back' from the current generation (not a wrong thing though) to have some good semblance of a good work-life balance. My child is academic - and had very good GCSEs and predicted A level scores. Scored in the top decile for UCAT. He's very self-motivated though so I'm supporting him as much as I can (e.g. getting train tickets and that sort of thing) but I can't help with the studying bit because that has to be driven by him. I also can't help with the medicine bit since no one else in the family is a medic. Sometimes I wonder whether doing something else might be better but I live in hope that the training places thing and other things down the line will get sorted by the time my child finishes (if he's so lucky to get in).

Reply 5

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by ruined-saint
I can't agree more! I'm not a medic, but my child is applying (first medic in family if he's lucky), hence why I'm here. My husband and I are in the professional roles/careers and I think there's a lot of 'push back' from the current generation (not a wrong thing though) to have some good semblance of a good work-life balance. My child is academic - and had very good GCSEs and predicted A level scores. Scored in the top decile for UCAT. He's very self-motivated though so I'm supporting him as much as I can (e.g. getting train tickets and that sort of thing) but I can't help with the studying bit because that has to be driven by him. I also can't help with the medicine bit since no one else in the family is a medic. Sometimes I wonder whether doing something else might be better but I live in hope that the training places thing and other things down the line will get sorted by the time my child finishes (if he's so lucky to get in).

I am hopeful for your son/daughter. The profession needs a broader range of people applying and practicing. I do wonder if a lot more people shouldn't be complaining to their MP or Wes Streeting about the speciality training place fiasco though. It's time the government felt some heat from the electorate on this.

Reply 6

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by ErasistratusV
Only you can answer that.
I feel like the new generation of young people want this work-life balance. They want time to do the things they love and to be perfectly honest I feel as though they don't really want the 'vocational' type of job that medicine and veterinary certainly used to be.
It's not that well paid and it's not respected by the public any longer in them main. In fact, I think the BMA are partly to blame for that and the wider NHS made changes to cause a wide-spread de-professionalisation of medicine, too.
If medicine is all you see and hear and think then it is probably the profession for you but you need to be well aware of what you are entering into. Nights, weekends, holidays, these are the realities of healthcare today- someone, somewhere has to do those shifts. You need to decide if that juice is worth the squeeze especially if you are interested in a medical or surgical route because you'll be doing these shifts long after foundation is completed.
I can appreciate this is a hard decision for most people at the GCSE/A level stages because the majority of you will have no yardstick or way to gauge what is worthwhile vocationally or in terms of a career. There are many ways to earn a good and productive living, it just depends on what your priorities are and what you can tolerate or what you enjoy.

I don’t think the issue is that the new generation lacks vocation, it’s that medicine no longer gives much back for the level of sacrifice it demands. In the past, people accepted nights, weekends and holidays because medicine offered stability, status and a clear path forward. This trade-off has largely disappeared.
Pay has fallen in real terms, progression is unclear and highly competitive, and FY2s can finish training with essentially no job security. It’s hard to commit your life to a profession when the profession doesn’t offer basic security or respect in return. Wanting work-life balance isn’t a lack of vocation, it’s a rational response to how the system now works.
If we want medicine to feel vocational again, then the conditions need to support that: fair pay, clear progression and professional respect. Without those, it’s no surprise NHS retention keeps dropping.

Reply 7

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by stilllearning123
I don’t think the issue is that the new generation lacks vocation, it’s that medicine no longer gives much back for the level of sacrifice it demands. In the past, people accepted nights, weekends and holidays because medicine offered stability, status and a clear path forward. This trade-off has largely disappeared.
Pay has fallen in real terms, progression is unclear and highly competitive, and FY2s can finish training with essentially no job security. It’s hard to commit your life to a profession when the profession doesn’t offer basic security or respect in return. Wanting work-life balance isn’t a lack of vocation, it’s a rational response to how the system now works.
If we want medicine to feel vocational again, then the conditions need to support that: fair pay, clear progression and professional respect. Without those, it’s no surprise NHS retention keeps dropping.

I do not feel the present generation approaches work in the same mindset I do. This is not a criticism; merely an observation. This would probably explain why so many now emigrate and never return. One can hardly blame them.

Reply 8

not just for medics - I think in general... Many employers/business owners/line managers find that what they might have gone through previously (when we were new graduates working) is no longer as accepted - example, working overtime with little notice, expecting people to put in hours on the weekend etc, not taking all our holiday leave etc. It's not bad - I'm learning from my junior colleagues! 🙂

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