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Dropping out of Cambridge to read medicine at UNSW

I'm a 1st year ug student at Cambridge reading biological natural sciences. I'm thinking of moving to Australia to read medicine at UNSW.

I thought I would enjoy research and prefer to stay in academia. However, I recently realised that I am really not enjoying the research and ever lasting unstable nature of the career in academia. Rather I would prefer to do more 'practical' and real-world stuff (Clinical)
However, I feel like losing the title of cantab is a huge loss and not sure if it would worth moving to UNSW undergraduate medicine (6yrs) given that the total time scale would still be the same even if I move to Australia after getting my degree here at cambridge (3 yrs + 4 yrs) as I already am doing the 1st yr of my tripos.

Also, it concerns me that the uncertainty of admissions that I will face when applying for MD that I might end up with not securing a place anywhere after the degree at cambridge.

So in short my concerns, even it I'm so certain that I want to do medicine, are
- loss of the Cambridge title and networks/ experiences that I could make here at Cambridge
- total time scale is the same if 1 go for MD after the degree here

But
- uncertainty of outcomes for MD admissions

Do you think I should move to UNSW or just finish my degree at Cambridge first?

Please any comments will be appreciated

Reply 1

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by Anonymous
I'm a 1st year ug student at Cambridge reading biological natural sciences. I'm thinking of moving to Australia to read medicine at UNSW.
I thought I would enjoy research and prefer to stay in academia. However, I recently realised that I am really not enjoying the research and ever lasting unstable nature of the career in academia. Rather I would prefer to do more 'practical' and real-world stuff (Clinical)
However, I feel like losing the title of cantab is a huge loss and not sure if it would worth moving to UNSW undergraduate medicine (6yrs) given that the total time scale would still be the same even if I move to Australia after getting my degree here at cambridge (3 yrs + 4 yrs) as I already am doing the 1st yr of my tripos.
Also, it concerns me that the uncertainty of admissions that I will face when applying for MD that I might end up with not securing a place anywhere after the degree at cambridge.
So in short my concerns, even it I'm so certain that I want to do medicine, are
- loss of the Cambridge title and networks/ experiences that I could make here at Cambridge
- total time scale is the same if 1 go for MD after the degree here
But
- uncertainty of outcomes for MD admissions
Do you think I should move to UNSW or just finish my degree at Cambridge first?
Please any comments will be appreciated


Never heard of UNSW but everyone’s heard of Canbridge

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by sami002
Never heard of UNSW but everyone’s heard of Canbridge


It’s the Universe of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia which is around top 20 in the world.

Reply 3

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by Anonymous
It’s the Universe of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia which is around top 20 in the world.

It sounds like you aren't sure what to do. Of the Australian universities l would choose Sydney or Melbourne over NSW, even if the latter is sometimes ranked a shade higher in global rankings. Over there people really look up to those two universities as being almost as prestigious as Oxbridge, and rightly so.

Remember that in Medicine you have to do some clinical research throughout your career in hospital medicine, even if you don't want to go into academia. If you don't do any research, you won't be able to get a place on a speciality training spot, and if you don't continue doing further research whilst on speciality training, you won't move up the promotion ladder. The most successful hospital doctors have several publications to their name, usually for high end medical journals.

As for a career in academia, if you graduate with at least a 2.1 degree from Cambridge, you would be set up nicely to apply for a 4 year funded PhD, where the first year is at MSc / MRes level, and the next 3 years are for the PhD project. If you only achieved a 2.2 from Cambridge, all is not lost, as you could do a self-funded MSc / MRes, and hopefully obtain a merit (preferably a distinction) grade, and then apply for a funded PhD.

In academia, the prestige of the uni does matter, although it is only one of the major factors academics look for. The actual subject studied, the skills gained during the BSc final project, the final grade / GPA achieved, relevant work experience, and good references all matter just as much. The final stage, that is the performance at interview, and how the group feels about you as a good fit for their lab, is also very important. If you come across as cold or toxic, you probably won't be selected, even if you are the best candidate on paper. Nobody wants a difficult or one man band player in their team. They want a team player.

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by Physician
It sounds like you aren't sure what to do. Of the Australian universities l would choose Sydney or Melbourne over NSW, even if the latter is sometimes ranked a shade higher in global rankings. Over there people really look up to those two universities as being almost as prestigious as Oxbridge, and rightly so.
Remember that in Medicine you have to do some clinical research throughout your career in hospital medicine, even if you don't want to go into academia. If you don't do any research, you won't be able to get a place on a speciality training spot, and if you don't continue doing further research whilst on speciality training, you won't move up the promotion ladder. The most successful hospital doctors have several publications to their name, usually for high end medical journals.
As for a career in academia, if you graduate with at least a 2.1 degree from Cambridge, you would be set up nicely to apply for a 4 year funded PhD, where the first year is at MSc / MRes level, and the next 3 years are for the PhD project. If you only achieved a 2.2 from Cambridge, all is not lost, as you could do a self-funded MSc / MRes, and hopefully obtain a merit (preferably a distinction) grade, and then apply for a funded PhD.
In academia, the prestige of the uni does matter, although it is only one of the major factors academics look for. The actual subject studied, the skills gained during the BSc final project, the final grade / GPA achieved, relevant work experience, and good references all matter just as much.


Thank you for your comment Dr. I mentioned UNSW because I currently hold an offer for the uni. I didn’t mean to sound like ‘I hate to do research at all’ but it was more like ‘I actually want to be a doctor and practice medicine.’

Do you think I should just stay at cambridge and finish my degree and then apply for an MD rather than just moving to 6 year BSc/MD course at UNSW? I feel like I’m a bit hesitant to risk myself of ending up with no offers after the degree than just going to UNSW to read medicine.

Thank you again for your advice.

Reply 5

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by Anonymous
Thank you for your comment Dr. I mentioned UNSW because I currently hold an offer for the uni. I didn’t mean to sound like ‘I hate to do research at all’ but it was more like ‘I actually want to be a doctor and practice medicine.’
Do you think I should just stay at cambridge and finish my degree and then apply for an MD rather than just moving to 6 year BSc/MD course at UNSW? I feel like I’m a bit hesitant to risk myself of ending up with no offers after the degree than just going to UNSW to read medicine.
Thank you again for your advice.

Why not apply for a 4 year GEM place after completing the BSc at Cambridge? If you can fund it, that is.

Only you can make the decision, but looking at it this way, if you are in two minds, you probably have serious doubts about continuing at Cambridge, otherwise you wouldn't be in this position. Follow your gut, but list the pros and cons of each path, and then make a conscious decision.

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by Anonymous
I'm a 1st year ug student at Cambridge reading biological natural sciences. I'm thinking of moving to Australia to read medicine at UNSW.
I thought I would enjoy research and prefer to stay in academia. However, I recently realised that I am really not enjoying the research and ever lasting unstable nature of the career in academia. Rather I would prefer to do more 'practical' and real-world stuff (Clinical)
However, I feel like losing the title of cantab is a huge loss and not sure if it would worth moving to UNSW undergraduate medicine (6yrs) given that the total time scale would still be the same even if I move to Australia after getting my degree here at cambridge (3 yrs + 4 yrs) as I already am doing the 1st yr of my tripos.
Also, it concerns me that the uncertainty of admissions that I will face when applying for MD that I might end up with not securing a place anywhere after the degree at cambridge.
So in short my concerns, even it I'm so certain that I want to do medicine, are
- loss of the Cambridge title and networks/ experiences that I could make here at Cambridge
- total time scale is the same if 1 go for MD after the degree here
But
- uncertainty of outcomes for MD admissions
Do you think I should move to UNSW or just finish my degree at Cambridge first?
Please any comments will be appreciated

Hey!
Whilst I can't really comment on choice of courses, I am currently on an exchange year in Australia from the UK so maybe some things to consider regarding moving here that I didn't realise until I arrived!

The visas are incredibly expensive- subclass 500 student visas (which is the one I and most other students have), currently sit at $2000 (around £1000), and this price will likely increase in July. They can be rejected, and if that is the case, you will have to reapply and pay for the visa again.

The cost of living is quite high here, I know people who are struggling with the rental market in Sydney currently, and the cost of groceries can be quite high too (although public transport is generally more reasonable)

The way of life is surprisingly quite different here- people are typically more active and tend to be up a lot earlier in the morning. The culture typically is more relaxed too, which a lot of people really enjoy!

The degree path can look quite different here (at least in my field, so I assume it may be similar in medicine) so make sure to check what the path looks like, as it may not be the same as in the UK

Think about visas going forwards if you wanted to stay in Australia, they can be tricky to get but I think a medicine degree would mean you were more likely to get one, especially if you completed your degree in Australia

Overall, I really love it here and I know a lot of other people do too!
Sorry this doesn't necessarily answer any of your questions, however there is definitely a lot of things I wish people told me before I started looking at studying in Australia, so I hope this is helpful in some aspects!

Jas :smile:
UEA Rep
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by UEA Rep Jas
Hey!
Whilst I can't really comment on choice of courses, I am currently on an exchange year in Australia from the UK so maybe some things to consider regarding moving here that I didn't realise until I arrived!
The visas are incredibly expensive- subclass 500 student visas (which is the one I and most other students have), currently sit at $2000 (around £1000), and this price will likely increase in July. They can be rejected, and if that is the case, you will have to reapply and pay for the visa again.
The cost of living is quite high here, I know people who are struggling with the rental market in Sydney currently, and the cost of groceries can be quite high too (although public transport is generally more reasonable)
The way of life is surprisingly quite different here- people are typically more active and tend to be up a lot earlier in the morning. The culture typically is more relaxed too, which a lot of people really enjoy!
The degree path can look quite different here (at least in my field, so I assume it may be similar in medicine) so make sure to check what the path looks like, as it may not be the same as in the UK
Think about visas going forwards if you wanted to stay in Australia, they can be tricky to get but I think a medicine degree would mean you were more likely to get one, especially if you completed your degree in Australia
Overall, I really love it here and I know a lot of other people do too!
Sorry this doesn't necessarily answer any of your questions, however there is definitely a lot of things I wish people told me before I started looking at studying in Australia, so I hope this is helpful in some aspects!
Jas :smile:
UEA Rep

Have you ever seen any gigantic spiders or poisonous snakes in Sydney? Does the coastguard use gates or nets to prevent sharks from getting close to the shore?

Reply 8

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by Physician
Have you ever seen any gigantic spiders or poisonous snakes in Sydney? Does the coastguard use gates or nets to prevent sharks from getting close to the shore?

Hahah- valid question! I actually live in Tasmania (Hobart) but have spent a fair amount of time in Sydney. The worst I've seen in Sydney is a huntsman spider (not harmful to humans, but they are big!). No snakes thus far! A lot of beaches do have shark nets, and they will also sound an alarm if a shark is spotted, warning people to get out of the water. Not all of them will have nets though, but a lot of the beaches are very safe, especially if you go to more popular ones, there will be lifeguards etc

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