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should i reapply to oxford law?

i got rejected even before i got an interview and its really put me down. oxfords been my dream since i was like 5, and to be rejected without an interview is heartbreaking 😭

im feeling a little better about it now so im thinking about how to move on. my second uni option is kings (havent heard back from them) but i really hate london. idk why i even put it as an option. a lot of people are telling me that kings is great but i dont feel like its for me

is it worth me taking a gap year and reapplying? i know ppl are gonna say my gcse grades are too low for oxford but i would be open to retaking one or two of them...

my gcse grades: 56667788899
my lnat score: 29 + unsure about the essay, feel like i did alright on it
my predicted grades: A* A* A* A

i also want to know if, once i actually get my a level results, will they not place as much emphasis on my gcses?

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Reply 1

I doubt gcses were the problem with your application. I had 667777889 and got an offer, though I didnt apply to law so it could be different.
Oxford looks at grades in comparison to the school you attended, so if you went to a really high-achieving school then perhaps it could be an issue. My school had an 'attainment 8' score of 41, which is below the national average. Only 59% of my year passed Maths and English (and only 33% achieved a 5 or higher).

Also, with Universities with as many applicants as Oxford, it may just come down to numbers. They have to shrink the pool enough for interviews to be feasible, so dont beat yourself up over it.

You could take a gap year, however you would need to occupy your time or it would be a waste. Perhaps finding work experience or something cool related to your subject would be a good idea.

Why do you want Oxford so badly? Is there not any other university that could give you whatever it is you want from Oxford? If its the area, there are other universities nearby. If its the prestige, there are many other respected russel group unis. If its history, there are other universities that have been around for quite a while, though Durham is the only old one I can think of off the top of my head. If its the collegiate system, York and Durham have that too.

If you do reapply, be aware that you could be rejected again so make sure you have backup unis that you actually like. Did you apply to anywhere other than Kings that you might like?

Reply 2

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by Anonymous
i got rejected even before i got an interview and its really put me down. oxfords been my dream since i was like 5, and to be rejected without an interview is heartbreaking 😭
im feeling a little better about it now so im thinking about how to move on. my second uni option is kings (havent heard back from them) but i really hate london. idk why i even put it as an option. a lot of people are telling me that kings is great but i dont feel like its for me
is it worth me taking a gap year and reapplying? i know ppl are gonna say my gcse grades are too low for oxford but i would be open to retaking one or two of them...
my gcse grades: 56667788899
my lnat score: 29 + unsure about the essay, feel like i did alright on it
my predicted grades: A* A* A* A
i also want to know if, once i actually get my a level results, will they not place as much emphasis on my gcses?
Which college did you apply to?

Which other universities did you to?

Which A-Level subjects are you doing?

If you apply with your achieved grades of A*A*A*A and a 30+ LNAT next year, then you have a strong chance. 😉

However, sometimes the choice of A-Level subjects matter. For example, the profiles on St. John's College, Oxford Law admissions page shows that almost all of them had 4 or more A-Levels and some had 5 and 6 A-Levels as well as Maths and Further Maths!!! lol 😀 They must be looking at the subject choice too perhaps? As it is obvious A-Levels in Maths, Further Maths, Spanish, French, German, Physics, Chemistry, Biology and History are tougher and more challenging than other subjects, perhaps?

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Reply 3

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by Betwixt
I doubt gcses were the problem with your application. I had 667777889 and got an offer, though I didnt apply to law so it could be different.
Oxford looks at grades in comparison to the school you attended, so if you went to a really high-achieving school then perhaps it could be an issue. My school had an 'attainment 8' score of 41, which is below the national average. Only 59% of my year passed Maths and English (and only 33% achieved a 5 or higher).
Also, with Universities with as many applicants as Oxford, it may just come down to numbers. They have to shrink the pool enough for interviews to be feasible, so dont beat yourself up over it.
You could take a gap year, however you would need to occupy your time or it would be a waste. Perhaps finding work experience or something cool related to your subject would be a good idea.
Why do you want Oxford so badly? Is there not any other university that could give you whatever it is you want from Oxford? If its the area, there are other universities nearby. If its the prestige, there are many other respected russel group unis. If its history, there are other universities that have been around for quite a while, though Durham is the only old one I can think of off the top of my head. If its the collegiate system, York and Durham have that too.
If you do reapply, be aware that you could be rejected again so make sure you have backup unis that you actually like. Did you apply to anywhere other than Kings that you might like?

thanks for your reply! for what i'd do in my gap year, i was thinking to take my driving lessons/tests and hopefully have that done before uni, and also find some work experience or do volunteering.

my school had an attainment 8 score of 51, which i think is pretty high 😭 but from speaking to people who went to my school, i did better than most of them, so idk

for why i want to go to oxford, its mostly just the area and the overall feel of the uni. this sounds cringe but when i went there the first time i felt like that was the place i was meant to be lol. i felt connected to it for some reason, so im kind of just following what my heart is telling me. i also love how they teach law there, with the tutorial system - i think i work best in that sort of environment and I have a lot to learn from them. ofc the prestige is also attractive, i come from an asian background where a lot of pressure is put on me to be the best, and i think that's kind of followed through in my ambition for oxford.

i applied to nottingham, leicester and hertfordshire, but im not rlly interested in going to any of them. i kind of thought i would get into oxford so i didn't put much thought into the other options. if i take a gap year i'd definitely think about them more and put unis that i acc wouldnt mind going to (durham, etc)

Reply 4

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by thegeek888
Which college did you apply to?
Which other universities did you to?
Which A-Level subjects are you doing?
If you apply with your achieved grades of A*A*A*A and a 30+ LNAT next year, then you have a strong chance. 😉
However, sometimes the choice of A-Level subjects matter. For example, the profiles on St. John's College, Oxford Law admissions page shows that almost all of them had 4 or more A-Levels and some had 5 and 6 A-Levels as well as Maths and Further Maths!!! lol 😀 They must be looking at the subject choice too perhaps? As it is obvious A-Levels in Maths, Further Maths, Spanish, French, German, Physics, Chemistry, Biology and History are tougher and more challenging than other subjects, perhaps?
Law & Law with Law Studies in Europe | St John's College, Oxford

thanks for your reply! i applied to exeter college, and the other unis i applied for were nottingham, leicester, and hertfordshire.

the a-level subjects i am doing are sociology, english language, and religious studies. i am also taking an EPQ.

i didnt know that people could even do 5-6 a levels 😭 that's crazy, i can't even fathom taking that much work on. if that's what theyre looking for, them i'm definitely not suited for them. for law, the majority of people i have spoken to have told me that subject choice doesn't really matter - most people pick law for a levels as it blends nicely, but people have gotten into oxford law with doing bio, chem, maths for a levels too. its a bit of a tricky one lol

Reply 5

You do not need 5 or 6 A levels. You do not even need 4. The three A levels you are doing are absolutely fine and doing 3 A levels will have absolutely no bearing on the reasons you didn’t get an interview.

Nor will your subject choice matter. Law does not have any recommended subjects. There are not “secret” recommended subject which are not advertised on the webpage- what is up there is what they are looking for, ie 3 A levels of your choice.

Thegeek888 is a poster who has no experience of Oxford and has never applied or taken A levels but posts with great confidence on many Oxford threads. His advice is well intended but often misleading and definitely is so in this case.

Law is very over subscribed and so they are likely to be using some combination of contextualised GCSE score and LNAT score to whittle down the pool to the size they can interview. Law is also very centralised and so college choice will have no bearing on that.

Reply 6

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by nuha13
thanks for your reply! i applied to exeter college, and the other unis i applied for were nottingham, leicester, and hertfordshire.
the a-level subjects i am doing are sociology, english language, and religious studies. i am also taking an EPQ.
i didnt know that people could even do 5-6 a levels 😭 that's crazy, i can't even fathom taking that much work on. if that's what theyre looking for, them i'm definitely not suited for them. for law, the majority of people i have spoken to have told me that subject choice doesn't really matter - most people pick law for a levels as it blends nicely, but people have gotten into oxford law with doing bio, chem, maths for a levels too. its a bit of a tricky one lol

Please take any info from geek 888 with a pinch of salt.He has not been or applied to Oxford and is the bain of any Oxford Thread.Most of his information is incorrect.
Honestly your Gcse's for law are low so you would be risking another rejection and retaking is not the answer.If you land your Alevels and ace the. LNAT you have more chance but I would still say you could be in same position again next year so would advise really look at your offers and go visit on offer days.Try and stay open minded and look at course structures.
Where else have you applied to and how were your super curriculars.Nothing wrong with your A level choices.Also how many pupils from your school go to Oxbridge.

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Reply 7

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by Scotney
Please take any info from geek 888 with a pinch of salt.He has not been or applied to Oxford and is the bain of any Oxford Thread.Most of his information is incorrect.
Honestly your Gcse's for law are low so you would be risking another rejection and retaking is not the answer.If you land your Alevels and ace the. LNAT you have more chance but I would still say you could be in same position again next year so would advise really look at your offers and go visit on offer days.Try and stay open minded and look at course structures.
Where else have you applied to and how were your super curriculars.Nothing wrong with your A level choices.Also how many pupils from your school go to Oxbridge.
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Take a look at the profiles of St. John's College, Oxford:

They've all got Maths and Further Maths as well 2 or 3 more A-Levels.

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Reply 8

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by xyz1234567
You do not need 5 or 6 A levels. You do not even need 4. The three A levels you are doing are absolutely fine and doing 3 A levels will have absolutely no bearing on the reasons you didn’t get an interview.
Nor will your subject choice matter. Law does not have any recommended subjects. There are not “secret” recommended subject which are not advertised on the webpage- what is up there is what they are looking for, ie 3 A levels of your choice.
Thegeek888 is a poster who has no experience of Oxford and has never applied or taken A levels but posts with great confidence on many Oxford threads. His advice is well intended but often misleading and definitely is so in this case.
Law is very over subscribed and so they are likely to be using some combination of contextualised GCSE score and LNAT score to whittle down the pool to the size they can interview. Law is also very centralised and so college choice will have no bearing on that.
Please take a look at the profiles of St. John's College, Oxford:

They've all got Maths and Further Maths as well 2 or 3 more A-Levels.

Law & Law with Law Studies in Europe | St John's College, Oxford

Reply 9

Last answer you will get from me.The 3 profiles chosen by St.Johns are exactly that 3 people out of 300.That is not evidence of the average profile of an Oxford student.

Reply 10

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by Scotney
Last answer you will get from me.The 3 profiles chosen by St.Johns are exactly that 3 people out of 300.That is not evidence of the average profile of an Oxford student.
It is closer to 240 and about 50 have 5 A-Levels or more and 100 4 A-Levels. I have seen the profiles of many successful applicants on Linkedln the career networking website. So many had Maths, Further Maths and History as well as French, German and Spanish.

Reply 11

On another thread you posted a link to the Law admissions report for the 24/5 cycle.

If you had read that document you would have seen that the Law faculty clearly explain their process for shortlisting. Candidates are ranked according to a combination of their GCSE score and their LNAT performance. Nowhere in that report is number of A levels given as a criterion.

The fact that some people who get in happen to have more than 3 A levels is correlation not causation. At most schools it is not possible to take more than 4 A levels and so Oxford cannot possibly use it as a way of deciding between candidates.

Reply 12

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by xyz1234567
On another thread you posted a link to the Law admissions report for the 24/5 cycle.
If you had read that document you would have seen that the Law faculty clearly explain their process for shortlisting. Candidates are ranked according to a combination of their GCSE score and their LNAT performance. Nowhere in that report is number of A levels given as a criterion.
The fact that some people who get in happen to have more than 3 A levels is correlation not causation. At most schools it is not possible to take more than 4 A levels and so Oxford cannot possibly use it as a way of deciding between candidates.
It is correct Oxford only based their admissions on 3 A-Levels but a significant number have 4 A-Levels and a small minority 5 or 6 A-Levels (especially if offering languages or further maths).

At many sixth forms and colleges you have to study 4 A-Levels and some private sixth forms have very small classes that they can accelerate the learning of the specification for an A-Level within a shorter period of time with the candidate ending up with 5 or 6 A-Levels.

I was told by the admissions tutor for one Oxford college that the LNAT matters a lot for the shortlisting.

Google AI:

"For Harvard, taking four A-Levels is generally preferred over three as it shows academic rigor, but three strong A-Levels plus an EPQ (Extended Project Qualification) is also excellent, with Harvard valuing challenging subjects like Math, Sciences, Languages, and History, though grades (A/A)* are paramount, and they look for well-rounded students with broad interests beyond just academics, not just subject count."

Reply 13

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by thegeek888
It is correct Oxford only based their admissions on 3 A-Levels but a significant number have 4 A-Levels and a small minority 5 or 6 A-Levels (especially if offering languages or further maths).

At many sixth forms and colleges you have to study 4 A-Levels and some private sixth forms have very small classes that they can accelerate the learning of the specification for an A-Level within a shorter period of time with the candidate ending up with 5 or 6 A-Levels.

I was told by the admissions tutor for one Oxford college that the LNAT matters a lot for the shortlisting.

Google AI:

"For Harvard, taking four A-Levels is generally preferred over three as it shows academic rigor, but three strong A-Levels plus an EPQ (Extended Project Qualification) is also excellent, with Harvard valuing challenging subjects like Math, Sciences, Languages, and History, though grades (A/A)* are paramount, and they look for well-rounded students with broad interests beyond just academics, not just subject count."

You can’t trust google AI here and OP isn’t looking to apply to Havard (at least not according to their OP) so the stuff on Harvard isn’t relevant given how different the US university system and admissions process is.

Do you have a source from Oxford themselves or stats that de facto confirm that having 4 A-levels would be better than three?

Reply 14

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by Talkative Toad
You can’t trust google AI here and OP isn’t looking to apply to Havard (at least not according to their OP) so the stuff on Harvard isn’t relevant given how different the US university system and admissions process is.
Do you have a source from Oxford themselves or stats that de facto confirm that having 4 A-levels would be better than three?
The only evidence is on Linkedln the careers jobs social networking website.

I have seen a huge number with 4 A-Levels, so that shows something surely?

You can search yourself profiles of Oxford Law students and graduates.

Also, when I was at the LSE Open Day, they had so many students with 4 A-Levels as well. Probably because private schools and grammar schools as well top sixth forms have a 4 A-Level curriculum as standard and usually don't let a candidate drop to 3 A-Levels.

Also, if you study 3 A-Levels you're only scheduled for 15 hours or so and have a spare 5 hours easily, so it is possible to do 4 A-Levels if the college or sixth form allows it.

Reply 15

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by thegeek888
The only evidence is on Linkedln the careers jobs social networking website.

I have seen a huge number with 4 A-Levels, so that shows something surely?

You can search yourself profiles of Oxford Law students and graduates.

Also, when I was at the LSE Open Day, they had so many students with 4 A-Levels as well. Probably because private schools and grammar schools as well top sixth forms have a 4 A-Level curriculum as standard and usually don't let a candidate drop to 3 A-Levels.

Also, if you study 3 A-Levels you're only scheduled for 15 hours or so and have a spare 5 hours easily, so it is possible to do 4 A-Levels if the college or sixth form allows it.

So no evidence from Oxford University themselves I take it?

For a subject like law, you only need 3 A-levels and doing 4 will usually confer no massive advantage especially as there doesn’t tend to be hard subject specific requirements for law.

Reply 16

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by Talkative Toad
So no evidence from Oxford University themselves I take it?
For a subject like law, you only need 3 A-levels and doing 4 will usually confer no massive advantage especially as there doesn’t tend to be hard subject specific requirements for law.
The Sixth Forms and Colleges with the most successful applicants i.e. 10 to 80 a year at Oxbridge tend to study 4 A-Levels. They're more successful with offers from the top universities.

I have no idea if Oxford publish the number of A-Levels offered by their Law applicants but they do for Medicine. ☹️

Reply 17

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by thegeek888
The Sixth Forms and Colleges with the most successful applicants i.e. 10 to 80 a year at Oxbridge tend to study 4 A-Levels. They're more successful with offers from the top universities.

I have no idea if Oxford publish the number of A-Levels offered by their Law applicants but they do for Medicine. ☹️


So no source from Oxford themselves then, therefore no (de facto) evidence.

Reply 18

There is no source from Oxford because Oxford does not have this policy. Oxford makes offers based on 3 As and publishes its entrance requirements and shortlisting criteria. It does not have secret extra criteria which only people on the internet know.

Oxford would never have a policy of secretly preferring 4 or more A levels because it would discriminate against the majority of candidates who are at schools which only allow them to take 3 A levels (with the exception of FM).

Stuff on LinkedIn is not evidence, it is anecdote. Harvard’s preferences are only relevant if someone wants to apply to Harvard.

What is frustrating about the geek 888 is that month after month he posts the same misconceptions in a tone of absolute authority and never listens to or learns from the many posters on here who actually know stuff about university admissions (on another thread he is telling a Cambridge Professor that he knows better than them). Meanwhile what he posts misleads genuine A level candidates who come away with incorrect information and make decisions about their future based on it.
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Reply 19

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by xyz1234567
You do not need 5 or 6 A levels. You do not even need 4. The three A levels you are doing are absolutely fine and doing 3 A levels will have absolutely no bearing on the reasons you didn’t get an interview.
Nor will your subject choice matter. Law does not have any recommended subjects. There are not “secret” recommended subject which are not advertised on the webpage- what is up there is what they are looking for, ie 3 A levels of your choice.
Thegeek888 is a poster who has no experience of Oxford and has never applied or taken A levels but posts with great confidence on many Oxford threads. His advice is well intended but often misleading and definitely is so in this case.
Law is very over subscribed and so they are likely to be using some combination of contextualised GCSE score and LNAT score to whittle down the pool to the size they can interview. Law is also very centralised and so college choice will have no bearing on that.

hi, thanks for your reply. lol i was so confused by Thegeek888's response. it went against basically everything ive seen about oxford law.

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