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Is it worth the international fees?

I'm an American international student, and I've received offers from Durham, Edinburgh, and Glasgow (with a 7k scholarship), along with hopefully St. Andrew's. My degree is English, or English+PoliSci at Glasgow, so not exactly something that will make me big bucks. Edinburgh is my top choice, followed by Glasgow. Durham doesn't appeal to me quite the same, though of course, I'd love it either way. However, as an international student, tuition is at least 20k, nearing 30k in some, without even considering food, housing, and other costs. I've searched high and low and left and right for scholarships, grants, or fee reductions, but I keep hitting dead ends. I have cheaper options in the US, but nowhere near as prestigious or high-quality. My parents are willing to pay only a small portion of this, around 5k, maybe a bit more if I'm lucky.

In short, is it worth it? I desperately want to study away from home, especially in the UK, and I love these schools. Going out-of-state would be even more expensive, and the schools at my level aren't nearly as attractive. I know that's not the best thing to base any decision on, but these 3 unis also have incredibly good programs for what I'd like to study and are doubtless the best schools I will get into. My stats are much more appealing to international schools than US ones.

Any advice, thoughts, or ideas would be greatly appreciated!

Reply 1

With fees that high I would only go if you can cover most of the costs without taking on heavy debt, because an English degree will not always give a quick return. If Edinburgh is your top choice, Glasgow with the £7k scholarship may still make more sense financially and you can keep prestige in perspective by focusing on course fit, internships and where you want to work after graduation.

Reply 2

How are you intending to fund it if your parents are only contributing £5k???

Reply 3

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by Whatswhat
How are you intending to fund it if your parents are only contributing £5k???

I currently work part time, and I would continue working the max amount of hours allowed by my student visa while in university. Whatever that doesn't cover, I'd take out loans, hopefully no more than 10k per year. I'd rather not go into debt for an English degree (who would?), just trying to see if there's a way to make it work and if that would even be worth it.

Reply 4

In the UK I think the added value of a degree in a general, non vocational subject, has become much reduced in recent years. I think you have to sit down and really crunch the numbers as to what your comparable costs would be if you studied in the US…in the UK at least, the way student loans work is that the loan has a finite term and is cancelled after x years , it doesn’t kick in until you reach a particular salary threshold and the amount paid per month remains proportional to your income . I don’t know enough about US student finance to comment but it seems a lot of debt for you to accrue when you are taking a degree that doesn’t necessarily lead to higher paid roles. Do also check out student housing /living costs…I believe Edinburgh has one of the highest student living costs in the uk for eg.( Glasgow also creeping up ).

Reply 5

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by catventura
I currently work part time, and I would continue working the max amount of hours allowed by my student visa while in university. Whatever that doesn't cover, I'd take out loans, hopefully no more than 10k per year. I'd rather not go into debt for an English degree (who would?), just trying to see if there's a way to make it work and if that would even be worth it.

Work out your plan before going.

You probably need some £40k every year (tuition £25k~30k, accommodation £8k~£10k, food etc £5k~£10k). Median income about £30k. So you probably need not less than £10k loan every year. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom)

Good luck.

Reply 6

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by catventura
I currently work part time, and I would continue working the max amount of hours allowed by my student visa while in university. Whatever that doesn't cover, I'd take out loans, hopefully no more than 10k per year. I'd rather not go into debt for an English degree (who would?), just trying to see if there's a way to make it work and if that would even be worth it.

Your tuition fees will be around £30,000 a year as you've mentioned, and those will likely increase each year. At the current exchange rate, £30,000 is around US$41,000. And, as you've said, there's your living costs. And the cost of returning home periodically if you choose to do that.

Getting a job is fine, providing you can find one. As I understand it (but please don't take the word of a random person on an internet forum as being official) a student visa will allow you to work 20 hours a week during term time, with no limit outside term time. The minimum wage in the UK for 18-20 year olds is £10.00 per hour (approx US$13.60).

You say you'll take out loans -- but have you done any research into who would loan you that money? It's unlikely you'd be able to borrow money from any UK source as an international student; so is there anyone who would lend you that in the US?

You really want to avoid the scenario of starting a degree course in the UK and then having to drop out part way through if you run out of money.

Make sure you take into account the length of your course. An undergraduate degree in England is normally three years. I believe that an undergraduate degree in Scotland is normally four years in length.

Reply 7

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by martin7
Your tuition fees will be around £30,000 a year as you've mentioned, and those will likely increase each year. At the current exchange rate, £30,000 is around US$41,000. And, as you've said, there's your living costs. And the cost of returning home periodically if you choose to do that.
Getting a job is fine, providing you can find one. As I understand it (but please don't take the word of a random person on an internet forum as being official) a student visa will allow you to work 20 hours a week during term time, with no limit outside term time. The minimum wage in the UK for 18-20 year olds is £10.00 per hour (approx US$13.60).
You say you'll take out loans -- but have you done any research into who would loan you that money? It's unlikely you'd be able to borrow money from any UK source as an international student; so is there anyone who would lend you that in the US?
You really want to avoid the scenario of starting a degree course in the UK and then having to drop out part way through if you run out of money.
Make sure you take into account the length of your course. An undergraduate degree in England is normally three years. I believe that an undergraduate degree in Scotland is normally four years in length.

Yeah, it's really not the best situation, just frustrating to have done everything right as far as working hard and getting into amazing schools, yet not be able to go for reasons I can't control. But the way it's looking, I might just stick with the no-name schools in my city. It's regrettable, but it is what it is, and I know I'm lucky enough not to be paying for that. If I can't figure out a way to make it work, hopefully I can go to a school I love for my masters.

Reply 8

Original post
by catventura
I'm an American international student, and I've received offers from Durham, Edinburgh, and Glasgow (with a 7k scholarship), along with hopefully St. Andrew's. My degree is English, or English+PoliSci at Glasgow, so not exactly something that will make me big bucks. Edinburgh is my top choice, followed by Glasgow. Durham doesn't appeal to me quite the same, though of course, I'd love it either way. However, as an international student, tuition is at least 20k, nearing 30k in some, without even considering food, housing, and other costs. I've searched high and low and left and right for scholarships, grants, or fee reductions, but I keep hitting dead ends. I have cheaper options in the US, but nowhere near as prestigious or high-quality. My parents are willing to pay only a small portion of this, around 5k, maybe a bit more if I'm lucky.
In short, is it worth it? I desperately want to study away from home, especially in the UK, and I love these schools. Going out-of-state would be even more expensive, and the schools at my level aren't nearly as attractive. I know that's not the best thing to base any decision on, but these 3 unis also have incredibly good programs for what I'd like to study and are doubtless the best schools I will get into. My stats are much more appealing to international schools than US ones.
Any advice, thoughts, or ideas would be greatly appreciated!

Hiya!

Congrats on all your offers from Durham, Edinburgh, and Glasgow! 🥳 They are all really strong universities, especially for English, so there genuinely isn’t a 'wrong' academic choice here.

Speaking as a Durham student rep, I’d say the main differences between these unis aren’t so much quality as experience. Edinburgh and Glasgow are bigger cities with lots going on, while Durham is smaller, more collegiate, and very academically focused.

In terms of the reputation of the universities, all three are well respected in the UK/ internationally, sitting in a similar top-end position of Russell Group Universities. Durham does have a particularly strong name for English and traditional arts subjects, but employers and postgrad admissions will care just as much about what you do alongside your degree, your work experience and the opportunities you involve yourself with at university.

With regards to finances, you’re definitely right to be cautious. International fees plus living costs will add up fast, and being constantly stressed about money can really affect your uni experience. Degrees and a social uni experience is tough to balance especially with a full-on part time job, this is something people don’t talk about enough. If your considering loans, I would definitely advise to speak to your bank and properly research your options. Durham can be slightly cheaper to live in than Edinburgh, which helps, and there are funding routes worth checking:

Durham Inspiring Excellence Scholarships (international undergrads, £5k–£10k per year):
Durham Inspiring Excellence Scholarships

International scholarships & bursaries overview:
International Scholarships

A lot of students also choose to do undergrad in a more affordable option and then come to the UK for a 1-year master’s, which still gives you the UK experience without four years of international fees.

It is also important to consider that typically Scottish universities run a 4-year undergraduate programme, where Durham and UK universities the length of study for an undergrad is 3-years.

Ultimately, it’s about finding the balance between academic fit, lifestyle, and finances. Loving your uni matters, but so does not feeling financially trapped for three or four years. I wish you the best of luck in this decision, any more questions please feel free to reach out and ask! Or contact Durham admissions, or international support teams if you need further guidance.

I also study English Literature at Durham so if you have any course specific questions, I am more than willing to answer!

-Lacey, DU Student Rep 🙂

Reply 9

Original post
by martin7
Your tuition fees will be around £30,000 a year as you've mentioned, and those will likely increase each year. At the current exchange rate, £30,000 is around US$41,000. And, as you've said, there's your living costs. And the cost of returning home periodically if you choose to do that.
Getting a job is fine, providing you can find one. As I understand it (but please don't take the word of a random person on an internet forum as being official) a student visa will allow you to work 20 hours a week during term time, with no limit outside term time. The minimum wage in the UK for 18-20 year olds is £10.00 per hour (approx US$13.60).
You say you'll take out loans -- but have you done any research into who would loan you that money? It's unlikely you'd be able to borrow money from any UK source as an international student; so is there anyone who would lend you that in the US?
You really want to avoid the scenario of starting a degree course in the UK and then having to drop out part way through if you run out of money.
Make sure you take into account the length of your course. An undergraduate degree in England is normally three years. I believe that an undergraduate degree in Scotland is normally four years in length.

the three vs four years should be a major factor for this student, as are the scholarships - they are able to bring US loans to these schools including subsidized Federal loans (subject to a cap around $27k) plus unsubsidized - looking at USD if one starts at around $50K, US Fed loan/parents (~13k) that leaves ~$37K per year to fund. Can the student earn $10k/year? That only gets it down to $27k (so $80-100k underfunded - a scholarship can reduce ~$36k, but seems high debt likely on the surface)

Reply 10

Original post
by catventura
I'm an American international student, and I've received offers from Durham, Edinburgh, and Glasgow (with a 7k scholarship), along with hopefully St. Andrew's. My degree is English, or English+PoliSci at Glasgow, so not exactly something that will make me big bucks. Edinburgh is my top choice, followed by Glasgow. Durham doesn't appeal to me quite the same, though of course, I'd love it either way. However, as an international student, tuition is at least 20k, nearing 30k in some, without even considering food, housing, and other costs. I've searched high and low and left and right for scholarships, grants, or fee reductions, but I keep hitting dead ends. I have cheaper options in the US, but nowhere near as prestigious or high-quality. My parents are willing to pay only a small portion of this, around 5k, maybe a bit more if I'm lucky.
In short, is it worth it? I desperately want to study away from home, especially in the UK, and I love these schools. Going out-of-state would be even more expensive, and the schools at my level aren't nearly as attractive. I know that's not the best thing to base any decision on, but these 3 unis also have incredibly good programs for what I'd like to study and are doubtless the best schools I will get into. My stats are much more appealing to international schools than US ones.
Any advice, thoughts, or ideas would be greatly appreciated!

Why Scotland?

Did you look at the two year degree at Buckingham?

https://www.buckingham.ac.uk/courses/undergraduate/ba-hons-english-literature-single-2-year-degree/

Reply 11

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by Muttley79

The schools I applied to had the best rankings for English, student satisfaction, research, etc. If I'm already dreaming unreasonably, I might as well dream big. Buckingham seems like a step down compared to the American schools I've been accepted to, especially for the cost.

Reply 12

Original post
by catventura
The schools I applied to had the best rankings for English, student satisfaction, research, etc. If I'm already dreaming unreasonably, I might as well dream big. Buckingham seems like a step down compared to the American schools I've been accepted to, especially for the cost.

That's not the best way to choose a university - look at the course content and assessment.

Do you really think the USA is a good place to go at the moment?

Reply 13

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by Muttley79
That's not the best way to choose a university - look at the course content and assessment.
Do you really think the USA is a good place to go at the moment?

Going to an worse university on a worse course just to migrate to a new country would be an odd decision.

Reply 14

Original post
by Phelena
Going to an worse university on a worse course just to migrate to a new country would be an odd decision.

So that rules out Scotland and the USA.

Reply 15

Original post
by Muttley79
So that rules out Scotland and the USA.
The OP is American and lives in the USA !

Reply 16

Original post
by Whatswhat
The OP is American and lives in the USA !

Yes and they are looking to study abroad!!!

Reply 17

Original post
by Muttley79
Yes and they are looking to study abroad!!!
Yes at a “prestigious / high quality uni as per their post …I’m not sure many international students from a country with their own wide range of study options will be aspiring to come to study in Buckingham.

Reply 18

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by Whatswhat
Yes at a “prestigious / high quality uni as per their post …I’m not sure many international students from a country with their own wide range of study options will be aspiring to come to study in Buckingham.

The cost was what they were asking about hence the suggestion - where did I actually recommend it?

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