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5 A-levels or 4 + EPQ for Medicine at Oxford

Hey guys,

I am currently doing my GCSEs (predicted seven 9s and two 8s) and I have to choose my A-level choices. I want to study medicine at Oxford and I am thinking of choosing Biology, Chemistry, Sociology, and Economics - I am really passionate about advocacy and mental health and I aspire to pursue a career in healthcare and medtech entrepreneurship.

I might also do either Maths or an EPQ - I struggle with working on long-term projects and deadlines, so I'm not so sure about the EPQ but I've heard that an A* in it can show important skills like time-management, as well as passions and interests outside (or linked to) the curriculum.

I am also really good at maths, but I don't really like it that much (but it will be crucial for me if I choose to go into finance instead of medicine).

I know that Oxford Medicine requires Chemistry and either Biology or Maths or Physics, so I did some more research and I saw on the website of the LAE (London Academy of Excellence) Sixth Form (which received 62 Oxbridge offers this year), that "Maths A Level is not a required subject for Medicine.

In fact, swapping Maths for a non-science A Level subject makes students stronger applicants. This is because of the skills needed in the interviews and in the relevant university admissions tests (BMAT & UCAT). Geography, History or languages A Levels are an excellent choice in this regard. Empathy is the key skill that is needed at interview: Philosophy and English Literature are therefore also very strong A Levels to consider."

Can I please hear some of you guys' thoughts on this? Should I choose 5 A-levels to keep my options open OR should I just do 4, and not do maths? Should I do an EPQ and is it really worth the time commitment?

Reply 1

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by Jamie2253
Hey guys,
I am currently doing my GCSEs (predicted seven 9s and two 8s) and I have to choose my A-level choices. I want to study medicine at Oxford and I am thinking of choosing Biology, Chemistry, Sociology, and Economics - I am really passionate about advocacy and mental health and I aspire to pursue a career in healthcare and medtech entrepreneurship.
I might also do either Maths or an EPQ - I struggle with working on long-term projects and deadlines, so I'm not so sure about the EPQ but I've heard that an A* in it can show important skills like time-management, as well as passions and interests outside (or linked to) the curriculum.
I am also really good at maths, but I don't really like it that much (but it will be crucial for me if I choose to go into finance instead of medicine).
I know that Oxford Medicine requires Chemistry and either Biology or Maths or Physics, so I did some more research and I saw on the website of the LAE (London Academy of Excellence) Sixth Form (which received 62 Oxbridge offers this year), that "Maths A Level is not a required subject for Medicine.
In fact, swapping Maths for a non-science A Level subject makes students stronger applicants. This is because of the skills needed in the interviews and in the relevant university admissions tests (BMAT & UCAT). Geography, History or languages A Levels are an excellent choice in this regard. Empathy is the key skill that is needed at interview: Philosophy and English Literature are therefore also very strong A Levels to consider."
Can I please hear some of you guys' thoughts on this? Should I choose 5 A-levels to keep my options open OR should I just do 4, and not do maths? Should I do an EPQ and is it really worth the time commitment?

Don't do 5 but definitely do maths - switch it for sociology or economics

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by Anonymous
Don't do 5 but definitely do maths - switch it for sociology or economics

Why maths though? Is it really that important? Because if I choose to 4 - I would honestly love to do Sociology and Economics, as I'm really passionate about both those subjects, alongside Biology and Chemistry (the prerequisites for medicine).

Reply 3

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by Jamie2253
Hey guys,
I am currently doing my GCSEs (predicted seven 9s and two 8s) and I have to choose my A-level choices. I want to study medicine at Oxford and I am thinking of choosing Biology, Chemistry, Sociology, and Economics - I am really passionate about advocacy and mental health and I aspire to pursue a career in healthcare and medtech entrepreneurship.
I might also do either Maths or an EPQ - I struggle with working on long-term projects and deadlines, so I'm not so sure about the EPQ but I've heard that an A* in it can show important skills like time-management, as well as passions and interests outside (or linked to) the curriculum.
I am also really good at maths, but I don't really like it that much (but it will be crucial for me if I choose to go into finance instead of medicine).
I know that Oxford Medicine requires Chemistry and either Biology or Maths or Physics, so I did some more research and I saw on the website of the LAE (London Academy of Excellence) Sixth Form (which received 62 Oxbridge offers this year), that "Maths A Level is not a required subject for Medicine.
In fact, swapping Maths for a non-science A Level subject makes students stronger applicants. This is because of the skills needed in the interviews and in the relevant university admissions tests (BMAT & UCAT). Geography, History or languages A Levels are an excellent choice in this regard. Empathy is the key skill that is needed at interview: Philosophy and English Literature are therefore also very strong A Levels to consider."
Can I please hear some of you guys' thoughts on this? Should I choose 5 A-levels to keep my options open OR should I just do 4, and not do maths? Should I do an EPQ and is it really worth the time commitment?

Don’t do 5, way too demanding. An EPQ isn’t really cared for - you can show skills like time management elsewhere (look at team projects maybe, also shows teamwork and communication for medical applications).

Bio + chem + 1 or 2 you like and will do well in. Bare in mind if you choose Cambridge instead they need 3 STEM (so maths would be useful) - but Oxford currently doesn’t mind.

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by Jamie2253
Why maths though? Is it really that important?

Only Cambridge and maybe one other uni requires 3 stem subjects. So if you won’t enjoy or dont think you can get the A/A* in maths compared to something don’t do it, unless you’re considering Cambridge

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by study23!
Only Cambridge and maybe one other uni requires 3 stem subjects. So if you won’t enjoy or dont think you can get the A/A* in maths compared to something don’t do it, unless you’re considering Cambridge

So not doing maths would be fine for Oxford medicine right?

Reply 6

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by Jamie2253
So not doing maths would be fine for Oxford medicine right?

Yes you’d be fine

Required subjects: Chemistry with either Maths, Further Maths, Biology or Physics.
Recommended subjects: Not applicable
Helpful subjects: Not applicable

Reply 7

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by Jamie2253
Hey guys,
I am currently doing my GCSEs (predicted seven 9s and two 8s) and I have to choose my A-level choices. I want to study medicine at Oxford and I am thinking of choosing Biology, Chemistry, Sociology, and Economics - I am really passionate about advocacy and mental health and I aspire to pursue a career in healthcare and medtech entrepreneurship.
I might also do either Maths or an EPQ - I struggle with working on long-term projects and deadlines, so I'm not so sure about the EPQ but I've heard that an A* in it can show important skills like time-management, as well as passions and interests outside (or linked to) the curriculum.
I am also really good at maths, but I don't really like it that much (but it will be crucial for me if I choose to go into finance instead of medicine).
I know that Oxford Medicine requires Chemistry and either Biology or Maths or Physics, so I did some more research and I saw on the website of the LAE (London Academy of Excellence) Sixth Form (which received 62 Oxbridge offers this year), that "Maths A Level is not a required subject for Medicine.
In fact, swapping Maths for a non-science A Level subject makes students stronger applicants. This is because of the skills needed in the interviews and in the relevant university admissions tests (BMAT & UCAT). Geography, History or languages A Levels are an excellent choice in this regard. Empathy is the key skill that is needed at interview: Philosophy and English Literature are therefore also very strong A Levels to consider."
Can I please hear some of you guys' thoughts on this? Should I choose 5 A-levels to keep my options open OR should I just do 4, and not do maths? Should I do an EPQ and is it really worth the time commitment?

5 a levels is definitelty not needed and will disadvantage you because you will not have time to maintain high grades whilst doing volunteering, work experience, ucat prep, interview prep etc. Unis only look at 3 grades so your best bet is doing chem, bio and any third subject. If you think you might struggle to do wider reading around medicine independently and build supercurriculars without structure then an epq can be a good way to hold yourself accountable and make sure you have something you can talk about in depth. You could also see if your prospective sixth form offers core maths instead of an epq if you want to build some mathematical skills.

Reply 8

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by Jamie2253
Hey guys,
I am currently doing my GCSEs (predicted seven 9s and two 8s) and I have to choose my A-level choices. I want to study medicine at Oxford and I am thinking of choosing Biology, Chemistry, Sociology, and Economics - I am really passionate about advocacy and mental health and I aspire to pursue a career in healthcare and medtech entrepreneurship.
I might also do either Maths or an EPQ - I struggle with working on long-term projects and deadlines, so I'm not so sure about the EPQ but I've heard that an A* in it can show important skills like time-management, as well as passions and interests outside (or linked to) the curriculum.
I am also really good at maths, but I don't really like it that much (but it will be crucial for me if I choose to go into finance instead of medicine).
I know that Oxford Medicine requires Chemistry and either Biology or Maths or Physics, so I did some more research and I saw on the website of the LAE (London Academy of Excellence) Sixth Form (which received 62 Oxbridge offers this year), that "Maths A Level is not a required subject for Medicine.
In fact, swapping Maths for a non-science A Level subject makes students stronger applicants. This is because of the skills needed in the interviews and in the relevant university admissions tests (BMAT & UCAT). Geography, History or languages A Levels are an excellent choice in this regard. Empathy is the key skill that is needed at interview: Philosophy and English Literature are therefore also very strong A Levels to consider."
Can I please hear some of you guys' thoughts on this? Should I choose 5 A-levels to keep my options open OR should I just do 4, and not do maths? Should I do an EPQ and is it really worth the time commitment?

I currently go to LAES and we have pretty similar goals to be honest. I study biology, chemistry, psychology, and mathematics but I recently dropped math. You don't need maths for medicine - Even if your peers tell you the universities are not going to lie with the entry requirements. Unless a university explicitly say they require you to take maths then don't feel like you have to take maths. Biology (for a few schools) and chemistry are non-negotiable. I know a girl in year 13 who got into Oxford to study medicine and she does 4 levels, but I went to Oxford myself and most people did 3.

Reply 9

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by Jamie2253
Hey guys,
I am currently doing my GCSEs (predicted seven 9s and two 8s) and I have to choose my A-level choices. I want to study medicine at Oxford and I am thinking of choosing Biology, Chemistry, Sociology, and Economics - I am really passionate about advocacy and mental health and I aspire to pursue a career in healthcare and medtech entrepreneurship.
I might also do either Maths or an EPQ - I struggle with working on long-term projects and deadlines, so I'm not so sure about the EPQ but I've heard that an A* in it can show important skills like time-management, as well as passions and interests outside (or linked to) the curriculum.
I am also really good at maths, but I don't really like it that much (but it will be crucial for me if I choose to go into finance instead of medicine).
I know that Oxford Medicine requires Chemistry and either Biology or Maths or Physics, so I did some more research and I saw on the website of the LAE (London Academy of Excellence) Sixth Form (which received 62 Oxbridge offers this year), that "Maths A Level is not a required subject for Medicine.
In fact, swapping Maths for a non-science A Level subject makes students stronger applicants. This is because of the skills needed in the interviews and in the relevant university admissions tests (BMAT & UCAT). Geography, History or languages A Levels are an excellent choice in this regard. Empathy is the key skill that is needed at interview: Philosophy and English Literature are therefore also very strong A Levels to consider."
Can I please hear some of you guys' thoughts on this? Should I choose 5 A-levels to keep my options open OR should I just do 4, and not do maths? Should I do an EPQ and is it really worth the time commitment?

Just do bio, chem, econ - add sociology if you truly love it but the workload of 4 a levels genuinely isn’t worth it, dont do maths if yo dont like it that much you will be miserable and honestly EPQ isn’t that special, its good if you have it but if not it doesn’t matter

Reply 10

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by Jamie2253
Hey guys,
I am currently doing my GCSEs (predicted seven 9s and two 8s) and I have to choose my A-level choices. I want to study medicine at Oxford and I am thinking of choosing Biology, Chemistry, Sociology, and Economics - I am really passionate about advocacy and mental health and I aspire to pursue a career in healthcare and medtech entrepreneurship.
I might also do either Maths or an EPQ - I struggle with working on long-term projects and deadlines, so I'm not so sure about the EPQ but I've heard that an A* in it can show important skills like time-management, as well as passions and interests outside (or linked to) the curriculum.
I am also really good at maths, but I don't really like it that much (but it will be crucial for me if I choose to go into finance instead of medicine).
I know that Oxford Medicine requires Chemistry and either Biology or Maths or Physics, so I did some more research and I saw on the website of the LAE (London Academy of Excellence) Sixth Form (which received 62 Oxbridge offers this year), that "Maths A Level is not a required subject for Medicine.
In fact, swapping Maths for a non-science A Level subject makes students stronger applicants. This is because of the skills needed in the interviews and in the relevant university admissions tests (BMAT & UCAT). Geography, History or languages A Levels are an excellent choice in this regard. Empathy is the key skill that is needed at interview: Philosophy and English Literature are therefore also very strong A Levels to consider."
Can I please hear some of you guys' thoughts on this? Should I choose 5 A-levels to keep my options open OR should I just do 4, and not do maths? Should I do an EPQ and is it really worth the time commitment?

im so glad other have said this but don’t do 5!! or 4 with an epq - it’s too much work you’ll hate yourself for it
4, or 3 plus epq is the maximum anyone could realistically do, be aware of the subjects specifically asked for by unis to do medicine courses (maths is often preferred and/or 2 sciences)
it’s better to have 3 very good grades than 4 or 5 less good grades (3 A*s beats 4 As) also i doubt your sixth form could timetable 5 alevels that doesn’t seem like something they’d let you do

only do the epq if there’s something you’re passionate about that you’d happily study and research and do the work for, for example if you did bio, chem, and economics you could do an epq on mental health or an area of sociology (be aware it can’t be a biased argument though, it’s a research project not a debate or campaign)

Reply 11

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by Jamie2253
So not doing maths would be fine for Oxford medicine right?

I have an offer from Oxford for med this year and my a-levels are Biology, Chemistry and History so please don't worry about taking maths: I did an EPQ instead and it was undoubtedly a better use of my time and gave me more to talk about in my personal statement and at interview. Only thing I think is important to consider is that you will be in the minority of students without maths, so make sure you've thought about what justification you have for not taking it. In 2/3 of my interviews I was asked about why I didn't do it, so make sure you have a sensible argument prepared that isn't just "I don't enjoy maths". Personally, I spoke about how I took further maths at GCSE so I had a taste of a-level content, but that ultimately I thought I would gain a broader skill set from history as it gave me an opportunity to develop my ability to form an argument through essay-writing alongside the logic practice you get from sciences and maths. Hope that helps!

Reply 12

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by Jamie2253
So not doing maths would be fine for Oxford medicine right?

Just do 3 and an EPQ - that's all Oxford want.

Reply 13

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by elenat0708
I have an offer from Oxford for med this year and my a-levels are Biology, Chemistry and History so please don't worry about taking maths: I did an EPQ instead and it was undoubtedly a better use of my time and gave me more to talk about in my personal statement and at interview. Only thing I think is important to consider is that you will be in the minority of students without maths, so make sure you've thought about what justification you have for not taking it. In 2/3 of my interviews I was asked about why I didn't do it, so make sure you have a sensible argument prepared that isn't just "I don't enjoy maths". Personally, I spoke about how I took further maths at GCSE so I had a taste of a-level content, but that ultimately I thought I would gain a broader skill set from history as it gave me an opportunity to develop my ability to form an argument through essay-writing alongside the logic practice you get from sciences and maths. Hope that helps!

Wow, could you please tell me more about what your supercurriculars looked like - as I would love to hear more!

Reply 14

Do chem, bio, sociology, maths, then drop whichever of sociology or maths you don't like. You can do an EPQ on med-tech finance if you drop maths or on sociology of medicine if you drop sociology.
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by elenat0708
I have an offer from Oxford for med this year and my a-levels are Biology, Chemistry and History so please don't worry about taking maths: I did an EPQ instead and it was undoubtedly a better use of my time and gave me more to talk about in my personal statement and at interview. Only thing I think is important to consider is that you will be in the minority of students without maths, so make sure you've thought about what justification you have for not taking it. In 2/3 of my interviews I was asked about why I didn't do it, so make sure you have a sensible argument prepared that isn't just "I don't enjoy maths". Personally, I spoke about how I took further maths at GCSE so I had a taste of a-level content, but that ultimately I thought I would gain a broader skill set from history as it gave me an opportunity to develop my ability to form an argument through essay-writing alongside the logic practice you get from sciences and maths. Hope that helps!


Similar here I didn’t do maths and while they didn’t ask me why that specifically they did ask me in one interview why I chose the A-levels I did so yes make sure you’re confident in your choice! I did an EPQ too but that wasn’t mentioned other than them saying it was interesting and moving on. Good luck!!

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by Jamie2253
Wow, could you please tell me more about what your supercurriculars looked like - as I would love to hear more!

My supercurriculars weren’t really anything unusual. The most helpful thing I did was keep a list of everything from the start of Year 12 so I didn’t forget things when writing my personal statement. I had hospital volunteering so I wrote about how speaking to patients with Alzheimer’s sparked my interest in the disease, and how it ended up becoming my EPQ topic (on emerging Alzheimer’s treatments) which linked everything together quite nicely with my PS.
The biggest piece of advice I’d give is to do things you’re genuinely interested in rather than what you think will look impressive. I started loads of books I didn’t find interesting and tbh just didn’t mention them. If you’re asked about something in interview that you didn’t actually enjoy reading, it’s much harder to show genuine passion for your subject.
Two books I really enjoyed were Everything is Tuberculosis by John Green, which I linked to my A-level History by talking about the importance of understanding the humanitarian side of medicine, and the illustrated version of The Body: A Guide for Occupants by Bill Bryson, which I originally used for GCSE Art and which ended up sparking a deeper interest in medical science. I also mentioned a few more STEM-focused things like podcasts and an essay competition I entered on malaria treatments. I think finding slightly different ways to reflect on what you’ve done (for example linking medicine with history or humanities) can help you stand out to tutors.

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by elenat0708
My supercurriculars weren’t really anything unusual. The most helpful thing I did was keep a list of everything from the start of Year 12 so I didn’t forget things when writing my personal statement. I had hospital volunteering so I wrote about how speaking to patients with Alzheimer’s sparked my interest in the disease, and how it ended up becoming my EPQ topic (on emerging Alzheimer’s treatments) which linked everything together quite nicely with my PS.
The biggest piece of advice I’d give is to do things you’re genuinely interested in rather than what you think will look impressive. I started loads of books I didn’t find interesting and tbh just didn’t mention them. If you’re asked about something in interview that you didn’t actually enjoy reading, it’s much harder to show genuine passion for your subject.
Two books I really enjoyed were Everything is Tuberculosis by John Green, which I linked to my A-level History by talking about the importance of understanding the humanitarian side of medicine, and the illustrated version of The Body: A Guide for Occupants by Bill Bryson, which I originally used for GCSE Art and which ended up sparking a deeper interest in medical science. I also mentioned a few more STEM-focused things like podcasts and an essay competition I entered on malaria treatments. I think finding slightly different ways to reflect on what you’ve done (for example linking medicine with history or humanities) can help you stand out to tutors.

Those are very impressive supercurriculars, definitely much more than most applicants

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