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Alexander
It does state that -- that's kinda the point I (and others) have been trying to make, and something which both the OP and a lot of posters on this thread seem to have ignored!

Your latter statement does not constitute a justification of your opinion.


Surely, stress at Oxford with their amount of workload is expected. But, you cannot blame the university for the suicides. They offer help for those who need it and the rest is left to the person in question; if they choose suicide, it's their own fault considering the standard of Oxford is widely known. Additionally, I doubt that their reasons for suicide are entirely academic reasons. From those who studied/are studying there, far more are alive as opposed to dead, obviously.
:shifty:

As everyone else has already said it's an old report and it clearly says that the number aren't any higher than the norm at that time..

:rolleyes:
Reply 22
econ-hec
Not unnecesary at all, students at Oxford knew what they were signing up for when they applied and took the offer; if its anyones fault it is their own.


They could've been forced into it by parents or teachers...
Reply 23
I think it's true that a lot of pressure is placed on students at Oxford, and it wouldn't suprise me if it were a contributing factor in some of the cases of emtional problems (not just suicide, but self harm, depression etc.). Since the suicide rate isn't abnormally high I don't think it stands to claim the workload is too high or that students are pressurized beyond what they can reasonably cope with. By this I mean that i suspect in the most part those having emotional problems were perhaps already vulnerable to these conditions and if it weren't the pressures of oxford that set it off then likely it would be something else that triggered it.
Surely its more to do with pressure and expectations students place on themselves rather than universty pressure?
It would be better to ask, given that Oxford's suicide rate is only average, what excellent work does the university do to make this happen, given the pressure that students are under.
Reply 26
A town with so many tall towers is asking for trouble.
wastedyouth
Oxford is known for its high suicide rate, as well as high-profile suicides

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1997/07/23/noxf23.html


Do you reckon we can blame it on the unnecessary pressure that the system places on students, or do you completely object to the notion that the level of pressure is "unnecessary"?



completely unnecessary,these people need to get over themselves i'm at ucl,think i might transfer to UEL.
Reply 28
p.s. Look, another one.
Reply 29
The deputy head girl of our school killed herself off beachy head the day before she was meant to leave home to go to oxford. I've also heard of a quite a few examples where girls (mainly), have broken under the pressure of studying at oxford, and have had to pull out of their course because they thought that they find the pressure too great and were worried how 'normal' they were going to come out of oxford. Oxford may have the same statistical proportions of people commiting suicide as those who don't go to oxford, but perhaps there are more people commiting suicide because of the pressure/university, than for other reasons
rhixox
Oxford may have the same statistical proportions of people commiting suicide as those who don't go to oxford, but perhaps there are more people commiting suicide because of the pressure/university, than for other reasons


Perhaps, but without evidence you may as well argue that the cause is the colour of the stone in the buildings.
i would never go oxford
Reply 32
Good bloke
It would be better to ask, given that Oxford's suicide rate is only average, what excellent work does the university do to make this happen, given the pressure that students are under.

A good point.

I would comment that although the college system provides an intense workload, it also means there is unusually close support for a university. Every college has deans and junior deans, JCR welfare officers, a college nurse and a senior tutor, who are all readily available to discuss personal problems and problems that might be affecting your work.
Reply 33
Lancaster uni got high rate aswell
the flats on the campus are designed for that use...
Marcian0
Lancaster uni got high rate aswell


What do you mean by "as well"? We've already established (in the OP) that Oxford's suicide rate is not high.
Reply 35
Good bloke
Perhaps, but without evidence you may as well argue that the cause is the colour of the stone in the buildings.


well of course! I am merely suggesting. As you can see, i applied to LMH which is the very college this poor girl killed herself. The suicide rate at oxford didn't stop me from applying, but I was very aware that the pressure at oxford is higher than at other unis, but it the 'baggage' that comes with studying at such a worldclass uni!
Chrrye
Oh course I can detect that there is a undertone that the OP probably doesnt approve of the pressure put on Oxford students..

But him already having an opinion when he starts a debate on the matter really doesnt matter. And it does not constitute a jibe.

I await seeing your actual opinion on the matter. Mine is here:
When I visit my friends at Oxford the amount of work they have is insane. To be obligated to timetable in 'social time' between essay writing and sleep is a practice completly alien to me except in the run up to an exam. I am not surprised that many find it stressful, they have told me as much.

Oxford is a good university however, if I were an employer and saw that a student had completly a degree there under this pressure it would give me strong guarentees as to they stellar performance. For this kudos and academic challenge is why many have applied to Oxford.
Help is available I am sure for distressed individuals as it is at any university. I do not think Oxford is better or worst than other unis in terms of providing these services and as such is not to blame for any suicides.

Hi! I'd suggest that the wilful misrepresentation of a central fact stated in the linked article (that is that Oxford has an average student suicide rate) in the OP is sufficient for it to constitute an anti-Oxford jibe. Also, I wasn't only referring to the OP -- there were several other posts which make much more obvious jibes.

My opinion - well, I went to Cambridge. I didn't find the workload particularly bad except in summer term, at which point I just rolled up my sleeves and got on with it. Yes, I did know various people who had 'problems', but my suspicion would be that they'd have had some kind of problems wherever they'd gone. Also, Oxbridge has the real benefit of a close college community and very-small group intensive teaching which means that people with such problems can be picked up on by staff (your tutor, personal tutor, other tutors, and even the porters and cleaners!) and helped more quickly than at other unis.
Waheyyyy
Read the thread (not just the OP) THEN comment.

Hey i did read the thread and got that the suicide rate is not higher than average. But the reasons for why that girl committed suicided are directly linked to being in oxford. Thats the scary thing. Its just a university, nothing more.
Reply 38
Good bloke
It would be better to ask, given that Oxford's suicide rate is only average, what excellent work does the university do to make this happen, given the pressure that students are under.


:ditto:

Every year (I believe) Oxford freshers are asked to participate in a survey on their state of mind, how they've been feeling over the last few weeks, how they cope with stress, etc. One of the results (in my year) was that students at Oxford do have a slightly statistically higher incidence of mood and anxiety disorders (such as depression, bipolar disorder) than students at other universities. The fact that Oxford's student suicide rate is average, as others have said, this speaks well of the support network that colleges can provide. If I'm ever feeling that I can't cope, or need support/advice, I'm fortunate in having quite a wide choice of people to go to. Frequently, just knowing the support is there should I need it is enough to make me feel better.
NissanMicra
Hey i did read the thread and got that the suicide rate is not higher than average. But the reasons for why that girl committed suicided are directly linked to being in oxford. Thats the scary thing. Its just a university, nothing more.

Most suicides are, probably, to some extent related to the situation in which the person is. However, I'm sure it is very difficult to work out the relative weight of the external and internal factors contributing to a suicide.

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