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Satis
Interesting how many psych studies at Oxford are done into suicidal/depressive thoughts in students, though. Although before I get flamed, yes, this might be the same in other universities too.
There was that urban myth that the reason alot of the libraries have bars on them is so that people don't throw themselves out - very doubtful, but I guess that's the perception or what finals do to you!


The myth that Oxford has a high suicide rate undoubted comes from the way the stories are covered. If an Oxford student kills himself, we have a huge story in the papers with the headline "Oxford student kills himself" whereas if the suicide of a (for example) UEA student is reported at all, it would perhaps mention in the third paragraph that he studied at UEA. In the same way that if a murderer (or murderee) has, at some point in their life, been to Oxford, they'll forever be known as 'Oxford grad, 36, in double murder'. It's kind of sad. And morbid too.
Arrogant Git
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It's like when I say something judgemental and people respond with "Just because you go to Oxford..."
I was actually judgemental BEFORE I got to Oxford, thank you very much :biggrin:
Reply 82
LatinMachine
It's like when I say something judgemental and people respond with "Just because you go to Oxford..."
I was actually judgemental BEFORE I got to Oxford, thank you very much :biggrin:


Oxford reached back in time to make you that way?
LatinMachine
It's like when I say something judgemental and people respond with "Just because you go to Oxford..."
I was actually judgemental BEFORE I got to Oxford, thank you very much :biggrin:


Damn right! :biggrin:
Reply 84
Teebs
Oxford reached back in time to make you that way?

Of course. What else would the Clarendon Professor of Time and Space be doing all day?:s-smilie:
Reply 85
I'm not sure whether I would say that people simply make a bigger fuss about suicides in Oxford than in other places. Oxford is a high-pressure place and has an academic system which really doesn't suit everyone, irrespective of their academic ability. I think that in particular undergraduates (I am a graduate) here are under such tremendous pressure by their tutors (and their own expectations) that I am surprised that still so many seem to manage. I think this shouldn't be overseen. Suicides happen everywhere of course, but it stays a fact that Oxford is a place where organisations such as Suicide Watch should be - maybe more than in smaller, less competitive uni cities.
Reply 86
mauritius
I'm not sure whether I would say that people simply make a bigger fuss about suicides in Oxford than in other places. Oxford is a high-pressure place and has an academic system which really doesn't suit everyone, irrespective of their academic ability. I think that in particular undergraduates (I am a graduate) here are under such tremendous pressure by their tutors (and their own expectations) that I am surprised that still so many seem to manage. I think this shouldn't be overseen. Suicides happen everywhere of course, but it stays a fact that Oxford is a place where organisations such as Suicide Watch should be - maybe more than in smaller, less competitive uni cities.


Well yeah, no one is saying there shouldn't be Suicide Watch, they are saying that Oxford students aren't constantly doing themselves in (or trying to and failing) in the manner that is sometimes implied. It's a thankfully rare event, and whilst it may not be covered more because it's at Oxford (though I might disagree with that opinion), it gets covered in a slightly more malicious way than it would elsewhere, with blame being placed more on the university rather than being viewed as a tragic abnormality. Suicide and mental breakdowns are not made inevitable because of Oxford - the system has that effect on some people. So does the system at other unis, but they rarely get examined in the same way, with the possible exception of medical students. We get gawped at by the press enough (do we deserve to be here? Did we get in because we had the right accent at interview?) and this whole "ohmygosh they work so hard and then just end up killing themselves, what a terrible place" attitude that is sometimes found in the press is just another annoying extension of that.

People don't object to people pointing out that support for Oxford, or indeed any university, students is a good and neccessary thing, they object to a rare tragic event being used to criticize the university as a whole.
Reply 87
Satis
Interesting how many psych studies at Oxford are done into suicidal/depressive thoughts in students, though. Although before I get flamed, yes, this might be the same in other universities too.

That is beacuse they have the centre for suicideology at the Warneford (psych) hospital. There's also a large student population which can be easily used for studies.

There isn't any evidence to show that the rates are any higher at Oxford than anywhere else. There will always be a few suicides and there's not much anyone can do about it, but that shouldn't stop them trying. Purely ancedotaly, I can't recall that many suicides in my time here.
Reply 88
I mentioned the Centre for Suicide Research back on page 1. :p:


Relatively little of their published output on suicide seems to be Oxford university student orientated, though. But we might be due an update - there are specific papers from 1961, 1978 then an analysis of 1976 - 1990, or people pull headlines out of subgroup analysis if it's done. As a current research topic by "Specific Groups" they're more general with "Young People".
Reply 89
:-)
I should read more closely! They do some interesting work, Hawton is a decent guy as well.
Reply 90
Well, it was 5 pages ago - I've seen worse. :wink:
He does seem decent, he did the Medicine Grand Round a while back with Bass (if you know him - which was a veeery interesting Liason case) which was actually fun. :eek:
Reply 91
I missed that one. Liason psych is always interesting.
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I left Oxford a few years ago after a failed suicide attempt. I had become overwhelmingly obsessed with studying and achieving and, despite going to see tutors about this, was offered no support, was not encouraged to see a counselor. My concerns, it is fair to say, were brushed away as the standard anxieties of a high-achiever. Indeed, I found that there was almost an attitude of approval about the fact that I was so emotionally tied to success. Which I now find fairly sinister.
I am in no way qualified or clued-up enough to offer any useful analysis on the data about suicide frequency in the Oxford population compared to the 'non-Oxford' population. But I do feel that I am qualified to say that the university, at the time I left, was utterly sub-par in its responsibility to provide students with anything approaching sustained support in matters of mental well-being and seemed woefully disinterested in fostering a healthy attitude towards study.
This was in stark contrast to both institutions I attended since for my BA and MSc.

I hope that the institution has improved since I left.
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Original post by JulietTripoli
I left Oxford a few years ago after a failed suicide attempt. I had become overwhelmingly obsessed with studying and achieving and, despite going to see tutors about this, was offered no support, was not encouraged to see a counselor. My concerns, it is fair to say, were brushed away as the standard anxieties of a high-achiever. Indeed, I found that there was almost an attitude of approval about the fact that I was so emotionally tied to success. Which I now find fairly sinister.
I am in no way qualified or clued-up enough to offer any useful analysis on the data about suicide frequency in the Oxford population compared to the 'non-Oxford' population. But I do feel that I am qualified to say that the university, at the time I left, was utterly sub-par in its responsibility to provide students with anything approaching sustained support in matters of mental well-being and seemed woefully disinterested in fostering a healthy attitude towards study.
This was in stark contrast to both institutions I attended since for my BA and MSc.

I hope that the institution has improved since I left.


I'm sorry to hear about your experiences Juliet - which college were you at? It's hard that you felt you had so little support, I've had a friend at another college than me who was in a similar situation but was able to obtain good support, luckily. I'm glad you were able to do better with that at other universities. :smile:

This was a very old thread by the way, so it might get closed by Mods.
Original post by JulietTripoli
I left Oxford a few years ago after a failed suicide attempt. I had become overwhelmingly obsessed with studying and achieving and, despite going to see tutors about this, was offered no support, was not encouraged to see a counselor. My concerns, it is fair to say, were brushed away as the standard anxieties of a high-achiever. Indeed, I found that there was almost an attitude of approval about the fact that I was so emotionally tied to success. Which I now find fairly sinister.
I am in no way qualified or clued-up enough to offer any useful analysis on the data about suicide frequency in the Oxford population compared to the 'non-Oxford' population. But I do feel that I am qualified to say that the university, at the time I left, was utterly sub-par in its responsibility to provide students with anything approaching sustained support in matters of mental well-being and seemed woefully disinterested in fostering a healthy attitude towards study.
This was in stark contrast to both institutions I attended since for my BA and MSc.

I hope that the institution has improved since I left.


Sorry if necroing this thread, but given the large amount of useful information I felt obliged to comment and add to what is really a historical record online. General distress and poor 'mental health', and more broadly severe anxiety and depression are very common at Oxford for the reasons discussed. Whilst I was not suicidal, it is safe to safe that Oxford ruined my mental health and derailed my life for a long time after (in stark contrast to the hopes and dreams I had when applying there!) I hope Juliet (quoted) is ok and would be interested to talk to her if she ever reappears on here as we had similar experiences.

Oxford colleges are also very good at preventing press reporting or public drama about suicides. My small college (not going to confirm it and doxx myself) has had 3 suicides in ten years, 2 of them in the same year. Astonishing that Bristol Uni had a national scandal over 12 suicides total (iirc), whilst very little was said about Oxford at all, let alone the specific college which offered pitiful pastoral support and has some culpability.

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