Second Degree and Scholarships?

gyyy2807

I'm not sure about Oxford, but at Cambridge you can apply as an "affliated student" where you only do the degree in 2 years instead of 3.

Thanks for the reply, but sadly Cambridge do not offer the BA in Fine Art. :frown:

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gyyy2807

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*Star*Guitar*

Thanks for the reply, but sadly Cambridge do not offer the BA in Fine Art. :frown:

ah. yes.

well you're welcome anyway. and good luck with your application :smile:

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Kitty Pimms

You can get senior status at Oxford, which is much the same thing. UCL might allow it, too, I'm not sure.

Anyway, you'd need to contact them direct about the scholarships I suspect. If they're university-based, then they'll be able to set their own conditions. In my experience however Oxford at least tend to leave you to it, finance-wise, for second BAs and simply assume you've got the cash.

(PS - it's unfortunate you pick Medicine as your example, since that's the one degree for which you can get financial support!).

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gyyy2807

I'm not sure about Oxford, but at Cambridge you can apply as an "affliated student" where you only do the degree in 2 years instead of 3.

*Star*Guitar*

Thanks for the reply, but sadly Cambridge do not offer the BA in Fine Art. :frown:

It's called "Senior Status" at Oxford, and works exactly the same way. :wink:

I don't have a clue about finance, except that you can't have a second loan if you already have one, and if you don't, then I think you can get one, but I never had any sort of official info about it. I'm not sure you can apply for a scolarship either, it would be a bit unfair to those doing their first undergrad who have no previous experience of university. :s-smilie:

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Snufkin

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The idea of self finance is really off putting! You could work for a year or two fulltime after your degree and save up for a second?

Is it just Medicine/Veterinary Medicine/Dentistry that offer funding? :shifty:

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Samual

The idea of self finance is really off putting! You could work for a year or two fulltime after your degree and save up for a second?

Is it just Medicine/Veterinary Medicine/Dentistry that offer funding? :shifty:

I think so, aren't they running short of meds? I'm self-funded at the moment, my parents refused that I took a loan, they probably regret it a bit, now. :s-smilie:

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There's no way you'll get funding for a second undergraduate degree. You mention getting a personal loan - there won't be any type of bank loan that will give you enough money to support yourself for the duration of your degree whilst also giving you a three year repayment holiday. I'm considering doing a second undergrad degree next academic year, and the only way to fund it is to do it part time and work full time to fund it. So you could either attend a uni part time or study with the OU.

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rottcodd

There's no way you'll get funding for a second undergraduate degree. You mention getting a personal loan - there won't be any type of bank loan that will give you enough money to support yourself for the duration of your degree whilst also giving you a three year repayment holiday. I'm considering doing a second undergrad degree next academic year, and the only way to fund it is to do it part time and work full time to fund it. So you could either attend a uni part time or study with the OU.

But if you never got a student loan before and ask for a loan to do a second undergrad, wouldn't that work at all?

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Anatheme

But if you never got a student loan before and ask for a loan to do a second undergrad, wouldn't that work at all?

Well yeah, I presume so, but the vast majority of people won't have been able to finance their first undergraduate degree by themselves, so I was assuming the OP had already had a student loan to pay for their undergrad.

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Snufkin

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OP have you thought about going abroad? I know some European countries offer free education to international students. I'm not sure how many undergrad courses taught in English there are though.

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rottcodd

Well yeah, I presume so, but the vast majority of people won't have been able to finance their first undergraduate degree by themselves, so I was assuming the OP had already had a student loan to pay for their undergrad.

Okidoke, but that's still way to get funding, OP is not the only one wondering about second undergrad funding :p:

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*Star*Guitar*

OP

rottcodd

Well yeah, but the vast majority of people won't have been able to finance their first undergraduate degree by themselves, so I was assuming the OP had already had a student loan to pay for their undergrad.

That is sadly the case. :mad:

The only unis I'm really interested in studying Fine Art at are the two London ones I mentioned; the times league table obviously does not have any of the red brick unis at the top of the list for art, though it is understandable, given the nature of the course.

Aside from studying in London, the only way to work full-time and study part-time is to do the degree in Manchester, but I don't want another degree from MMU and Uni of Manc is not on the league table at all (though I haven't looked at its website to look at the course if they even provide it).
:shifty:

Reply 14

Anatheme

Okidoke, but that's still way to get funding, OP is not the only one wondering about second undergrad funding :p:

Hmm... I'm not so sure you can even do that now. This is from the Bristol uni website for undergraduate courses starting in 2009:

"At the time of writing, the Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills (DIUS) had announced that it was reviewing the funding that would be provided for students wishing to undertake a second higher education qualification, at the same or lower level as their first degree. At the time of going to press, the University had not finalised the tuition fee levels of students wishing to take a second undergraduate degree. Further information about this will be published when it is available at www.bristol.ac.uk/academicregistry/fees.

Please note that students who already have an honours degree and are considering studying for a second one will not be eligible for the tuition fee loan, the student loan for expenses or the maintenance grant. The only exception to this is if you are considering a programme leading to a professional qualification, e.g. medical doctor, dentist or veterinary doctor, where you may be eligible for the student loan for living expenses. Your local authority (LA) will be able to give you further information."

I read that as saying that, if you already have an undergraduate degree, regardless of whether it was funded by a student loan or not, you are not eligible, which seems rather harsh. But as they advise there, I would contact your
LEA for more info.

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*Star*Guitar*

That is sadly the case. :mad:

The only unis I'm really interested in studying Fine Art at are the two London ones I mentioned; the times league table obviously does not have any of the red brick unis at the top of the list for art, though it is understandable, given the nature of the course.

Aside from studying in London, the only way to work full-time and study part-time is to do the degree in Manchester, but I don't want another degree from MMU and Uni of Manc is not on the league table at all (though I haven't looked at its website to look at the course if they even provide it).
:shifty:

Christ, I wouldn't be worrying about league tables, that's madness. Presumably you want to do this second degree because you are really interested in this subject and want to study it in detail? In that case, who gives a damn whether it meets the criteria which The Times has decided makes it good? Research the university and course yourself and see if you like it. Each university enjoys a completely different league table position depending on which newspaper/authority you listen to because they all have different criteria. If MMU is the only place that offers it in a way in which you can afford, and you're interested enough in the subject to want to do another undergrad degree, then go there. Don't let a newspaper decide what you do.

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*Star*Guitar*

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rottcodd

Christ, I wouldn't be worrying about league tables, that's madness. Presumably you want to do this second degree because you are really interested in this subject and want to study it in detail? In that case, who gives a damn whether it meets the criteria which The Times has decided makes it good? Research the university and course yourself and see if you like it. Each university enjoys a completely different league table position depending on which newspaper/authority you listen to because they all have different criteria. If MMU is the only place that offers it in a way in which you can afford, and you're interested enough in the subject to want to do another undergrad degree, then go there. Don't let a newspaper decide what you do.

I know its rediculous, but I suppose I can't help but get caught up in it, after studying law for one and a half years. It is essentially because I have an interest and a talent for art. I initally chose law over art because I have an interest in that too, but that I didn't need a degree to do art. I still don't really, but I'd like a reason to take 3 years out to do it now, I suppose.

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Star*Guitar*

I know its rediculous, but I suppose I can't help but get caught up in it, after studying law for one and a half years.

Well with a subject like law, you can maybe afford to worry slightly (and only slightly) about league table positions, especially if you want to end up being a barrister or some other such law-y type thingmybob (I know not of the land of law!). The Arts is a completely different ball game.

Star*Guitar

I'd like a reason to take 3 years out to do it now, I suppose.

This is reason enough:

Start*Guitar

is essentially because I have an interest and a talent for art

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River85