Whats the point then if grades don't represent intelligence?

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They're good enough to apply to any university she wants to, if her A levels are good.
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10 a/b grades? haha..thats pathetic. i did well better than u and thats because i didnt go out. so who will get a better job? who will make more money? who will enjoy l8r life more? me or u? i think ME.

and by sayign 10 A/B i bet u mean 1A/9B idiot. u r not even close to me intellectually.
I got 2 Cs in my gcses. can you believe it?!?!?! But I am happy and enjoying my life NOW. I am predicted AAA for my A levels but there's no way i'd sacrifice my social life to get them. I don't consider these grades to be a measure of intelligence at all, more the ability to recall information. I will enjoy my life in the future too. So there.
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(Original post by 4A Prediction)
Oxbrdge look for ways to test social class, not intelligence, hence the compulsory interviews and entrance tests you are mentioning. If you really believe that Oxbridge use these tests to find the most intelligent then you must be stupidly gullible. They use them to weed out the working class reagrdless of intelligence. The interviews are used to judge class!

You must be extremely gullible if yuo think otherwise!
This is utter gibber.

Why would Oxbridge be looking for social class in an interview - they will recieve that data about their applicants in September after the results are published. And students from a low social class don't even mean extra funding any more - the only extra funding goes to students from low-participation neighbourhoods - ie to people with certain postcodes. Those post codes are kept confidentially by HEFCE (the funding body) and not released to universities so are ignored when it comes to recruitment.

Oxbridge want the best students regardless of background or privelidge. They believe that interviews and entrance exams are the way to identify these applicants with the most potential and with the personalities most likely to excel in the Oxbridge environment.
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(Original post by A Grade Student)
I have registered 4 A grade prediction and the one that started the thread is me just to make it clear.

What is O? Yes but your dad probably got there by licking ass and brown nosing. Nobody becomes a director by not having qualifications, if they do they usually do 'favours' and brown nose their way up the ladder. So shut it I am probably more clever than you and your dad put together, you are just jealous thats all.
i think me and you should form a pact. that will make things here on uk-learning really intersting.
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I have registered 4 A grade prediction and the one that started the thread is me just to make it clear.

What is O? Yes but your dad probably got there by licking ass and brown nosing. Nobody becomes a director by not having qualifications, if they do they usually do 'favours' and brown nose their way up the ladder. So shut it I am probably more clever than you and your dad put together, you are just jealous thats all.
What about Richard Branson? What qualifications did he have? You get directorial positions through hard work and commitment. As won't get you anywhere if you don't have qualities like that!!
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you sad little bugger Universities want people eho have a life outside of the academic, and to be honest drinks and shagging is what everone will do at uni will you report them all
Wait a minute is this Maskall ???

They should be expelled then i'll report them, university is a place of work not debauchery! Filth, I'll get them kicked out of university they disgust me. I also despise being called someone who indulges in anal intercourse and sad, why am I sad? Just because I work hard, people like you really annoy me. But then I seek comfort in the thoought that you are simply jealous of my abilty and intelligence.
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Grades will never be the "be all and end all" of your uni application. Unis use your personal statement to see what other effort you've put in towards the subject you hope to study and the other efforts you've made outside of school life.
I think most people, in the long term, would just like to meet that special someone one day to spend the rest of their lives with and maybe start a family with. If you're intent on not getting to know anyone and get a comfortable job and spend your life alone, that's fine but I doubt it would be half as fulfilling. I'd also like to use this chance to point out that without decent social skills, you'll go nowhere on the career ladder, you might be the hardest worker, but there'll always be somene else who can talk the talk better and get the promotion.
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(Original post by A Grade Student)
They should be expelled then i'll report them, university is a place of work not debauchery! Filth, I'll get them kicked out of university they disgust me. I also despise being called someone who indulges in anal intercourse and sad, why am I sad? Just because I work hard, people like you really annoy me. But then I seek comfort in the thoought that you are simply jealous of my abilty and intelligence.
How will you ever keep your grades up when you are running around reporting everyone and everything?

BTW "thoought" yeah, real intelligent.
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Grades are not meant to represent intelligence, but rather scholastic aptitude. Mere intelligence is not enough to succeed in college, one also needs to be diligent/hard working.
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They should be expelled then i'll report them, university is a place of work not debauchery! Filth, I'll get them kicked out of university they disgust me. I also despise being called someone who indulges in anal intercourse and sad, why am I sad? Just because I work hard, people like you really annoy me. But then I seek comfort in the thoought that you are simply jealous of my abilty and intelligence.
Why should other peoples social lives suffer just because you're incapable of making the grade without sacrificing yours?
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To those who have made a strong point about having a social life or not having one - I really feel it is up to the individual to decide how much they socialising they want to do. It doesn't mean your 'sad' because you want to achieve the best grades you can nor does it mean you 'don't care' about your education. Some people find happiness and balance when soicalising whilst others have their priorities sorted. Either way it doesn't gaurentee better grades from either lifestyles.
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(Original post by muffe)
Grades are not meant to represent intelligence, but rather scholastic aptitude. Mere intelligence is not enough to succeed in college, one also needs to be diligent/hard working.
Well said. But don't forget attitude as well as aptitude, motivation, self-esteem and supportive background. All these things will equate with personal success.
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To those who have made a strong point about having a social life or not having one - I really feel it is up to the individual to decide how much they socialising they want to do. It doesn't mean your 'sad' because you want to achieve the best grades you can nor does it mean you 'don't care' about your education. Some people find happiness and balance when soicalising whilst others have their priorities sorted. Either way it doesn't gaurentee better grades from either lifestyles.
No just this one individual who has a problem w/ those of us who prefer to have a life as well as an education, and will report all who step out of line.
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This is utter gibber.

Why would Oxbridge be looking for social class in an interview - they will recieve that data about their applicants in September after the results are published. And students from a low social class don't even mean extra funding any more - the only extra funding goes to students from low-participation neighbourhoods - ie to people with certain postcodes. Those post codes are kept confidentially by HEFCE (the funding body) and not released to universities so are ignored when it comes to recruitment.

Oxbridge want the best students regardless of background or privelidge. They believe that interviews and entrance exams are the way to identify these applicants with the most potential and with the personalities most likely to excel in the Oxbridge environment.

You're another gullible brain-washed fool. Open your eyes, Oxbridge hasn't changed much internally (maybe in the way the display themselves to the public, but thats just a smoke screen) and they probably never will! Let me guess you are very posh, only very posh upper-class people defend Oxbridge. Their system stinks and is riddled with corruption. I am still applying to go to Cambridge though but I already know i'll be discriminated against. I have the predicted grades (I will get them with ease) if they reject me then I will be really annoyed and will complain about it to the appropriate authorities. But it's worth I try I suppose.
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Jesus mate, calm down!

Your tone really conveys the impression that you are the one who is jealous and embittered.

I know you say you are really clever, but dear me you are very confused about these issues. The title of this thread is fundamentally flawed "what is the point if grade's don't represent intelligience?". I do not believe that grades have ever represented inteliigience. There is a correlation in terms of the fact that a certain level of intelligience is required to be able to achieve highly but so much more is required than raw intelligience. I mean Einstein did rubbish in most of his exams, I suppose he is stupid! Contientousness, dedication to subjects and so fourth contribute enourmously to what grades you get. I have met manier hard worker who have top grades but are no geniuses. Yet they deserve their grades all the same, because a-level grades are in my opionion indicitive of contientouseness, and to an extent rightly so.

You may well get into the best college at the best uni with the best a-level grades, and then of course you can pat yourself on the back. Well done you can say to yourself as you sit in your room. But when you are there at last and you have this piece of paper that has four As on it, one can't help but think what will happen to you then.

Surely somewhere along the line, your egotistical pursuit of high grades will have to come to an end, it will have to be a question of what you are passionate about and what is important to you. You will not become the become no would reknowned scholar with a narrow minded attitude like your own. Your comments seem to reek of the same ignorance and prejudice you are keen to point out in others. Is your life really all about grades? I'm pretty sure it doesn't all stop once you've got into university, maybe one day you'll take having fun a tad more seriously... Anyone whats wrong with drugs and drink. What's wrong with shagging, a fair few intelligient people have been pretty keen on those things. I suppose some people like yourself, don't consider poests, novelists or artists in general to be "intelligient". I swear the library is full of writers into their drugs, drink or sex (like evryone) take one of the greatest poets ever Samuel Taylor Coleridge, need I illlustarte with examples? Do you somehow believe that intelligient people are removed from the natural desires of all human beings. Use your supposed intelligience to question these things, is sex really futile in all its forms? Is drink? Is not purely intellectual activity on some level futile in all its abstraction. I think your scared to ask these questions, thats why your so angry.

Heres a nice quote to indulge your mamoth intellect in:

"Philosophy is at one the most sublime and futile of human disciplines"

Take philsophy to mean intellectual activity in the broadest sense.

I don't mean to be harsh, but you should get out more, reallly and truly man just have some fun - you never know you might like it
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To those who have made a strong point about having a social life or not having one - I really feel it is up to the individual to decide how much they socialising they want to do. It doesn't mean your 'sad' because you want to achieve the best grades you can nor does it mean you 'don't care' about your education. Some people find happiness and balance when soicalising whilst others have their priorities sorted. Either way it doesn't gaurentee better grades from either lifestyles.
i agree i do not feel that people can be right or wrong however people that live for grades and do not socialse will struggle in uni as uni has a massive social aspect and if you cannot do anything but study for your AS how will you cope with degree
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By the way the above message is aimed at the guy who started this thread
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They should be expelled then i'll report them, university is a place of work not debauchery! Filth, I'll get them kicked out of university they disgust me. I also despise being called someone who indulges in anal intercourse and sad, why am I sad? Just because I work hard, people like you really annoy me. But then I seek comfort in the thoought that you are simply jealous of my abilty and intelligence.
I'm jeal;ous am i no i believe that people should do whatever they want and as i have stated before university is not only about education and even more so a broader knowledge of the world we live in. sorry but i would rather get a 2.1 and partake in activities and societies then lock myself up in a room and get a 1, andtrust me i'll be better for it.
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You're another gullible brain-washed fool. Open your eyes, Oxbridge hasn't changed much internally (maybe in the way the display themselves to the public, but thats just a smoke screen) and they probably never will! Let me guess you are very posh, only very posh upper-class people defend Oxbridge. Their system stinks and is riddled with corruption. I am still applying to go to Cambridge though but I already know i'll be discriminated against. I have the predicted grades (I will get them with ease) if they reject me then I will be really annoyed and will complain about it to the appropriate authorities. But it's worth I try I suppose.
No I'm not posh, I'm from a working class background and was the 2nd in my family to go to university (my older sister went to wolverhampton university). I attended a bog standard comp in Liverpool where the average A level point score was 10 (ie DDE).

I've didn't apply to Oxbridge because I believed it would be too expensive.

I now work in a University - I know how the funding models work and what get rewarded by HEFCE and what you are penalised for and I know the atmosphere that surrounds university recruitment (a mixture of snobbiness and a true desire to get the best students).

I doubt Cambridge will discriminate against you unless they believe you lack the social skills necessary to become a valuable member of the university community...and the only way to spot that (and students who do well because of hard work rather than talent/potential) is through interview...however if you were diagnosed with Asperger's or a similar Autism Spectrum Disorder your social disability would be taken into account and you wouldn't be penalised for lacking those skills.
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Wait a minute a-grade student is having a laugh innit?? There can't really exist anyone as deluded, naive and repulsive as him/her.
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