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(Original post by Tina)
yep thats the problem! communism can never work in practice, socilaism can...its more practical...communism sounds ideal ie everyone is completely equal, earn exactly the same...but its not practical...plus i dont think its fair that some should work really hard and educate themselves then earm exactly the same as someone who didnt. socialism allows people to be different but also gives fairness to teh disadvantaged

Tina you can't have it both ways dear, you are either left or not. You can't say i'm a socialist and then say I want to achieve more opportunities and earn more wealth than others. To be honest you sound more like a tory. I think people like to call themselves left wing just for thinking it makes them cool and fair, even if they don't believe in the ideology.
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A parliamentary candidate, not just a BNP member. I would be very surprised if they put up a candidate anywhere. And unless you live in Burnley or Oldham impossible.
yep unless theyve suddenly gained huged funds because hitler has come back to life to support their cause for an aryan race which i very much doubt!!!
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Tina you can't have it both ways dear, you are either left or not. You can't say i'm a socialist and then say I want to achieve more opportunities and earn more wealth than others. To be honest you sound more like a tory. I think people like to call themselves left wing just for thinking it makes them cool and fair, even if they don't believe in the ideology.
im not completely left....i said moderate left....but i do believe in meritocracy....people should be able to work hard and gain rewards...at present we dont have that. socialist policies would enable the less advantaged e.g. w/c ethnic minorities to have equal oppurtunities. and i could NEVER be a tory!
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so what are BNP policies ???(BNP guest)
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so what are BNP policies ???(BNP guest)

http://www.bnp.org.uk/campaigns.html
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(Original post by hotnanoo)
no need to swear you might be a racist but still.
I'd like to discuss the BNP values and policies so please stick around.
(it would be useful if you registered cuz then i knew if it were you i.e lots of people unregistered

I feel quite offended at that to be honest. I am not a racist or prejudiced against anyone not at all. Not at all in no way whatsoever.

People misunderstand the BNP, I am with them mainly on their proposed policies towards the asylum issue.

The youth BNP also has an up and coming leader called Mark Collet, and he is a great speaker and leader of the youth party. I have seen him speak in rallies that I have attended. The party will go from strength to strength, and I think is going to be alot bigger when Mark Collet becomes leader of the main BNP party in the future.
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I feel quite offended at that to be honest. I am not a racist or prejudiced against anyone not at all. Not at all in no way whatsoever.

People misunderstand the BNP, I am with them mainly on their proposed policies towards the asylum issue.

The youth BNP also has an up and coming leader called Mark Collet, and he is a great speaker and leader of the youth party. I have seen him speak in rallies that I have attended. The party will go from strength to strength, and I think is going to be alot bigger when Mark Collet becomes leader of the main BNP party in the future.
i saw a programme on the TV about the BNP a little while back...many of their leaders including youth leaders were openly racist...and even admitted to violence because of racism....dont be misled by their policies. bNP CANNOT solve the asylum issue...theyre just using it to mainpulate people into gaining support
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I feel quite offended at that to be honest. I am not a racist or prejudiced against anyone not at all. Not at all in no way whatsoever.

People misunderstand the BNP, I am with them mainly on their proposed policies towards the asylum issue.

The youth BNP also has an up and coming leader called Mark Collet, and he is a great speaker and leader of the youth party. I have seen him speak in rallies that I have attended. The party will go from strength to strength, and I think is going to be alot bigger when Mark Collet becomes leader of the main BNP party in the future.
You are very easily taken in by propaganda.
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I feel quite offended at that to be honest. I am not a racist or prejudiced against anyone not at all. Not at all in no way whatsoever.
sorry that I offended you, you say your not racist or predujiced but the BNP policy on asylum seekers is prujudiced to asylum seekers. i think many peopel have the mistake of affiliating asylum seekers with illegal immigrants. The fact of the matter is tha asylum seekers do more good than bad for this country, they provide jobs at the lower end of the scale as more people are earning more and there is a shortage in this area.
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People misunderstand the BNP, I am with them mainly on their proposed policies towards the asylum issue.
I don't know what this policies main points are but please explain

The rest of the material you wrote could not have had more publicity then on a BNP leaflet
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sorry that I offended you, you say your not racist or predujiced but the BNP policy on asylum seekers is prujudiced to asylum seekers. i think many peopel have the mistake of affiliating asylum seekers with illegal immigrants. The fact of the matter is tha asylum seekers do more good than bad for this country, they provide jobs at the lower end of the scale as more people are earning more and there is a shortage in this area.

I don't know what this policies main points are but please explain

The rest of the material you wrote could not have had more publicity then on a BNP leaflet
very true,.....and illegal immigrants are very often mistaken for asylum seekers.
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i saw a programme on the TV about the BNP a little while back...many of their leaders including youth leaders were openly racist...and even admitted to violence because of racism....dont be misled by their policies. bNP CANNOT solve the asylum issue...theyre just using it to mainpulate people into gaining support

I actually spoke with some of the BNP party members after the rally (not Mark though unfortunately he had to shoot off) and I didn't see the prgramme, but they mentioned how the BBC twisted what was said and made them look bad and racist deliberately. It was the way they edited the programme and 'duped' them and twisted the BNPs words by constantly asking racist questions (the BBC journalists not the BNP!). The BBC were on a mission to make them look bad and racist, don't believe everything you see and hear. You know like Martin Bashir made Michael Jackson look like a complete freak through the editing (well he is anyway but you know what I mean), well it was the same sort of thing with the BBC and the BNP. Mark Collet is going to be a great leader mark my words (pun unintended)! He is one of my idols I look up to him. I hope I can be a great speaker and as intelligent as Mark.
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I actually spoke with some of the BNP party members after the rally (not Mark though unfortunately he had to shoot off) and I didn't see the prgramme, but they mentioned how the BBC twisted what was said and made them look bad and racist deliberately. It was the way they edited the programme and 'duped' them and twisted the BNPs words by constantly asking racist questions (the BBC journalists not the BNP!). The BBC were on a mission to make them look bad and racist, don't believe everything you see and hear. You know like Martin Bashir made Michael Jackson look like a complete freak through the editing (well he is anyway but you know what I mean), well it was the same sort of thing with the BBC and the BNP. Mark Collet is going to be a great leader mark my words (pun unintended)! He is one of my idols I look up to him. I hope I can be a great speaker and as intelligent as Mark.
Are you Mark becasue i'v never seen anyone idolise a political figure before.
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sorry that I offended you, you say your not racist or predujiced but the BNP policy on asylum seekers is prujudiced to asylum seekers. i think many peopel have the mistake of affiliating asylum seekers with illegal immigrants. The fact of the matter is tha asylum seekers do more good than bad for this country, they provide jobs at the lower end of the scale as more people are earning more and there is a shortage in this area.

I don't know what this policies main points are but please explain

The rest of the material you wrote could not have had more publicity then on a BNP leaflet

I have nothing personally against asylum seekers and I don't hate them or anything. I just don't see why the British taxpayer should have to pay for their welfare and give them homes. It is a fact that the vast majority of asylum seekers see Britain a a 'soft touch'. Take that Abu Hamza or whatever his name is (the hook man), I find it disgusting that he hasn't been deported. He claims something like $25000 a year in benefits, has a free house and then openly shows his hate towards the western world by preaching islamic hate! Why should the taxpayer have to pay for him and opthers like him when there is already lots of British people elready living in poverty and pensioners have to be means tested etc. No more asylum seekers.
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(Original post by hotnanoo)
I don't know what this policies main points are but please explain

The rest of the material you wrote could not have had more publicity then on a BNP leaflet

I can't be bothered to type their manifesto out bud theres loads of info on their website like Lord Huntroyde kindly pointed out here:

http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies.html

No i'm not Mark Collet either but I respect him and look up to him he is a Leeds graduate and I hope i'm as clever and as great a speaker as him when i'm at uni.
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I have nothing personally against asylum seekers and I don't hate them or anything.
Nice start its a shame what you write afterwards makes this a lie
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I just don't see why the British taxpayer should have to pay for their welfare and give them homes. It is a fact that the vast majority of asylum seekers see Britain a a 'soft touch'.[/QUOTE]
Well why are so many british people on benefits if they got a job it ould be easier (sorry just taking a BNP viewpoint). The taxpayer hey, we pay so much as i stated before asylum seekers increase the wealth of this country. I think no asylum seeker see Britain as a soft touch but sees it as a way to improve the quality of life o have a second chance at the apple, some have come from war torn countries etc
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Take that Abu Hamza or whatever his name is (the hook man), I find it disgusting that he hasn't been deported. He claims something like $25000 a year in benefits, has a free house and then openly shows his hate towards the western world by preaching islamic hate!.
Believe it or not it is a right in this country that people can say whatever they want even though i don't agree with him. Preaching islamic hate , wrong hate not islamic hate. you find it easy to blame other cultures and religions.
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Why should the taxpayer have to pay for him and opthers like him when there is already lots of British people elready living in poverty and pensioners have to be means tested etc. No more asylum seekers.
You blame all your problem on asylum seekers okay even if asylum seekers were deported you'd still have poverty and no jobs why?
The result of this divisive propoganda is that it lets those really responsible off the hook. It was the bosses of Corus who closed Shelton Bar in order to maximise their own profits, Thatcher's Tory government closed our mines to cut public spending and destroyed much of our manufacturing base. The fat cat top bosses of the pottery industry sack workers on a daily basis to ensure they don't lose out themselves while New Labour does nothing to stop this. As the BNP rants on about the so-called threat posed by asylum seekers, bosses and the government carries on with its attack on jobs.

Scapegoating immigrants or any other group will solve nothing for working class people
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well theydd have socialist values. very pro nhs...education for all, helping the underprevilaged, maybe nationalisation of railways etc fairness equality type thing!!!
fairness?
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Pro - Freedom, Free Trade, Choice, Social Independence, Individual Rights etc...

No To - State Involvement, Privatisation, Big Business Control Over Politics etc...
err, a socialist is effectively against all those in the Pro column. i think people are over simplifying the left-right divide far too much.
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conservatives are right wing
communists are completely left! theyre opposites.
not in all respects. socialists and conservatives have traditionally come together when confronted with classical liberalism.
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Tina you can't have it both ways dear, you are either left or not. You can't say i'm a socialist and then say I want to achieve more opportunities and earn more wealth than others. To be honest you sound more like a tory. I think people like to call themselves left wing just for thinking it makes them cool and fair, even if they don't believe in the ideology.
hehe, exactly.
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what would a typical lefty be ??? pro to what no to what???
i would seriously consult some proper material regarding the various ideologies you have asked about here. some peoples ideas of what they are and what they stand for is truly worrying....
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