(Original post by tis_me_lord)
What makes sucess?
This depends on class. A working class person may be happy to work in the factory their dad did, get a weekly lottery ticket, and have a few kids.
Middle classes may want to go to uni and become a lawyer.
That's what I mean about different values. YES THIS IS GENERAL. But it is more or less the truth. Please noe of your, "ah yes...but in my family..." there will always be exceptions, but that doesn't change the fact there's a class system in this country.
Circular logic: you assert that an (as yet undefined) "middle" class are better predisposed to "success", and then evidence that assertion by ascribing "middle" class-ness to those who are successful. Nevertheless, my mother attended University, but currently earns comparably less than a "working" class plumber or electrician; conversely, I aspire to read (and subsequently, to practise) Law at University: a factor which, in your book, could
qualify me as "middle" class; and devolving thus from the efficacy of your argument, which, having continually evolved to accommodate others' detractions, is no longer recognisable as such. I never denied there to be a "class system", but the mere fact that there exist such 'exceptions' entails that the "class" argument is certainly neither lucid nor conclusive enough to make broad, sweeping judgements to the effect of your opening volley on the subject. Consequently, notions of "class" are, in the explicit context of such an argument, quite worthless. However, being as this isn't the 'Debate & Discussion' forum, you may be forgiven a lack of "due care and attention" with respect to your views; all-in-all, it was probably their overtly provocative nature, more than anything else, which prompted a critical reprisal