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(Original post by The Colonel)
In my opinion, the top 5 are:
1. North East Wales Institute of HE
2. University of Wales, Newport
3. Thames Valley University
4. University of East London
5. University of Paisley
Fully agree.

Oxbridge is *****.
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I see. The Times, however, disagree with you:
No they do not. Or have the Times suddenly (and surreptitiously) introduced 'international student opinion' as a criteria?
Further, you say that "there does seem to be a general perception that Oxford, Cambridge and London are the best places to study in the UK". If you allow me to disagree with you, how did you come up that this is indeed a general perception?
Through interaction and research with domestic and international students, educational media etc spanning years. The only reason one might disagree with the statement that the G5 grouping is the most commonly considered group of UK Unis in international terms is bias or ignorance.
Yes, it seems the case that Oxbridge is considered to be the top, but I would say this doesn't hold for London colleges *in general*. Only LSE and maybe Imperial would belong to such a "general perception".
That is, if you allow me to disagree with you!
Nobody has said the London colleges *in general*. The london colleges which are part of the G5 - UCL, LSE and Imperial - are undeniably of the greatest international repute next to Oxbridge. You are allowing your affiliation with Warwick to cloud your judgement on this topic.
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(Original post by beekeeper_)
With all due respect, the Times, and guardian league tables are not 'proof'.

Besides, you can not change the g5, it is Oxbridge, Imperial, LSE and UCL. That is not up for debate, it is a fact. Think up a g6 if you're that bothered, but the g5 is not going to get changed.
Yes, my friend. But we all wonder: What kind of fact is it? Is it an arbitrary positing? Is it an ideological tool? Certaintly, the G5 does not represent the top 5 UK research universities. Neither the last RAE makes such a claim nor the Times (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...246315,00.html). So I was wondering if you are asking us to listen to you instead of those two sources!
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[QUOTE=lawgrad]I don't quite know what is your problem with this 'G5' term, it is just a generally accepted term used (together with 'Golden Triangle of British education') to describe those five particular universities, which are the most prestigious and research-intensive universities in the UK. Nothing more. This (unlike the annual capricious league tables) is not something debatable - it just is!

With regards to research:
For the past few decades, the total research income (both from the government and the private sector) given to four universities (Cambridge, Oxford, UCL, Imperial - with each receiving roughly the same income of about 450 million pounds) accounts for nearly 30% of the entire research income available to all the universities in the UK. This research income is distributed according to the government AND the private sector's assessment of the respective universities research potential. Number 5 on the list is King's College London, with about 130 million pounds.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...246315,00.html
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Yes, my friend. But we all wonder: What kind of fact is it? Is it an arbitrary positing? Is it an ideological tool? Certaintly, the G5 does not represent the top 5 UK research universities. Neither the last RAE makes such a claim nor the Times (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...246315,00.html). So I was wondering if you are asking us to listen to you instead of those two sources!
The G5 represents the UKs most internationally known universities. As i have previously stated the RAE should not be treated more seriously than it deserves and highly variable nature of times tables (decided by several irrelevant criteria) does not decide beyond doubt the 5 best universities in the UK although it would obviously suit your own bias if this were the case.
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No comment:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...246315,00.html
See all previous statements regarding credibility of RAE.
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(Original post by an Siarach)
The G5 represents the UKs most internationally known universities. As i have previously stated the RAE should not be treated more seriously than it deserves and highly variable nature of times tables (decided by several irrelevant criteria) does not decide beyond doubt the 5 best universities in the UK although it would obviously suit your own bias if this were the case.
Ok. last comment before i go for a burger! You are claiming that i'm biased towards a certain institution. But all my arguments were dependent on tables and facts given by certain sources. Then you come along and say that I'm using certain sources just because they suit me, without thinking that despite their convenience these sources are supposed to have been given from a vantage point that is not biased towards a certain institution. So I really don't understand in what way I am biased!!! It seems to me that the one who uses completely subjective sources here is you, that is your own mind and personal environment (with all due respect!).
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You are claiming that i'm biased towards a certain institution.
You are.
But all my arguments were dependent on tables and facts given by certain sources. Then you come along and say that I'm using certain sources just because they suit me, without thinking that despite their convenience these sources are supposed to have been given from a vantage point that is not biased towards a certain institution.
You pick the tables/rankings/criteria simply on a basis of whether or not they support your own subjective view. You ignore the rankings and evidence which go against your favoured outcome.
So I really don't understand in what way I am biased!!! It seems to me that the one who uses completely subjective sources here is you, that is your own mind and personal environment (with all due respect!).
You are not looking at data etc to arrive at a conclusion but to find evidence to support the conclusion at which you have already arrived. That is what makes you biased. As regards my use of completely subjective sources (which is to say experience of many discussions on this topic over many years, with many different types/nationalities) i have no attachment or affiliation to any of the disputed universities (Oxford,Cambridge,LSE,Imperial,U CL,Warwick) and thus am completely objective with regards to this topic. It matters not one bit to me if Warwick or UCL has a better international reputation i simply state the fact that UCL does. Also as well as my opinions having been formed by years of research on this topic and discourse relating to it they are totally supported by the only international ranking worth taking seriously but which you (conveniently! as it does not support your own promotion of Warwick) ignore.
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Jonnyola,

G5 is reputation. This is not the same as REA ratings, or number of 1, 2.1 ratios, etc.

The best way to see reputation is at the world league tables, by THES.

This table rates the view of the top 1300+ scholars in the world, and is weighted as 50% of the overall rankings thus a far better representative of reputation. In this case, it Oxbridge 4/5th. LSE is 1tth, Imperial 14th, and UCL just below hence the g5 unis.

However, it shud also be noted that reputation is not the same as 'the best.' As you have allready mentioned warwick has great REA ratings, etc.
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(Original post by Chardonnay)
Oxbridge + the 3 london unis = golden triangle.

A triangle with 5 sides :confused: :rolleyes:
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A triangle with 5 sides :confused: :rolleyes:
Oxford - Cambridge - London.
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No-one can give a definitive list of the "top 5" universities as such, as it's such a subjective thing... Surely the most important thing is what matters most to the individual, if the course suits them etc - although I agree it's a nice bonus if the uni also has a good reputation from the point of view of later employability, etc.

Personally though, these are my 5 favourites for English/English&History:

York
Cambridge
Edinburgh
Leeds
Birmingham

Apparently Sussex & Warwick are excellent, but I don't want to go to either! Durham looks lovely too.
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In terms of financial power then it's: Oxbridge, UCL, Edinburgh and the new combined Manchester Uni.

EDIT: I've treated ICL separately because it is a specialist institution.
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I thought warwick was reknowned for its 'financial power' and is one of th uk's richest univeristies. doesnt it generate huge amounts of income for itself wihtout having to rely on the government for funding? or have i imagined that...
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I thought warwick was reknowned for its 'financial power' and is one of th uk's richest univeristies. doesnt it generate huge amounts of income for itself wihtout having to rely on the government for funding? or have i imagined that...
Warwick has a £250 million turnover about a third of which is self-generated income. The top 5 all have £350+ million turnover. So Warwick is rich given its size.
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(Original post by an Siarach)
As regards my use of completely subjective sources (which is to say experience of many discussions on this topic over many years, with many different types/nationalities) i have no attachment or affiliation to any of the disputed universities (Oxford,Cambridge,LSE,Imperial,U CL,Warwick) and thus am completely objective with regards to this topic. It matters not one bit to me if Warwick or UCL has a better international reputation i simply state the fact that UCL does. Also as well as my opinions having been formed by years of research on this topic and discourse relating to it they are totally supported by the only international ranking worth taking seriously but which you (conveniently! as it does not support your own promotion of Warwick) ignore.

If it doesn't matter "one bit" to you if Warwick or UCL has a better international reputation, it doesn't a "thousand bits" to me! This is so because i already have a BA from KCL, an MPhil from UCL and i'm currently working towards my second PhD at Warwick. So please don't patronise me!

If experience counts for anything in these rather useless discussions, I state that Warwick is a better university than UCL. It is more organised, with better academics, with better facilities, with more scholarships for students, etc. That's why i disputed your claims, which they now seem to be based at only one source: the world-rankings by the Times. But as i've already explained in this forum, this table is not reliable because it hasn't be tested by time. It has been published only once. That's why i do not rely on it. Moreover, i strongly disagree with you that the national league tables or the RAE are useless. Especially the first, i think, are the most reliable source one could have beyond personal experience.
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If it doesn't matter "one bit" to you if Warwick or UCL has a better international reputation, it doesn't a "thousand bits" to me! This is so because i already have a BA from KCL, an MPhil from UCL and i'm currently working towards my second PhD at Warwick. So please don't patronise me!
A 2nd PhD?
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A 2nd PhD?
Yes, i don't want to face real life! i think after finishing my studies (if ever), i'll commit suicide or become a Buddhist monk!
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How do you manage with all the debt? Are you rich? Have you become institutionalised? Who funds you?!
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How do you manage with all the debt? Are you rich? Have you become institutionalised? Who funds you?!
national scholarship for my BA, AHRB and Uni London scholarship for my MPhil, AHRB for my first PhD, AHRB and Research Fellowship for my second PhD.
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