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Reply 1
Do you know an identity like sinA + sinB = 2sin((A+B)/2)cos((A-B)/2)
Reply 2
Nvm, swayum is right, you'll end up in loops.
Reply 3
cos 3x = 4 cos^3x - 3cosx. (And then sub u = cos x if you can't integrate it by sight).

Silly question though: I would say "best practice" would be to use the sum/product formula to rewrite as the sum of two trig terms (as Swayum has posted), but that won't give you the answer they are looking for without a lot of subsequent manipulation.
Reply 4
Dfranklin: isn't cos(3x) = 2 cos^2 (6x) - 1 ?

then you multiply by sin (x) to give 2sin(x)cos^2 (6x) - sin(x) ?

But I'm not sure what the next step is.
Reply 5
Nvm:

http://www.sosmath.com/trig/Trig5/trig5/trig5.html

Check at the bottom: Do they give you that formulae? I don't think so afaik.
Reply 6
DFranklin
cos 3x = 4 cos^3x - 3cosx. (And then sub u = cos x if you can't integrate it by sight).

Silly question though: I would say "best practice" would be to use the sum/product formula to rewrite as the sum of two trig terms (as Swayum has posted), but that won't give you the answer they are looking for without a lot of subsequent manipulation.


How do I get cos 3x = 4 cos^3x - 3cosx?

I did:
cos 3x sinx
= cos (x + 2x) sinx
= (cos x cos 2x - sin x sin 2x) sinx
= 1/2 sin 2x cos 2x - 2 sin^3 (x) cos x

and then I'm stuck.
Reply 7
giran
cos(3x) = 2 cos^2 (6x) - 1 ?


Nope. I think you mean is cos(6x) = 2cos^2(3x) - 1, which doesn't really help. DFranklin has just expanded out cos(3x) as cos(2x + x) and then expanded out the cos2x terms and got rid of the sines.
Reply 8
lalyala
How do I get cos 3x = 4 cos^3x - 3cosx?

I did:
cos 3x sinx
= cos (x + 2x) sinx
= (cos x cos 2x - sin x sin 2x) sinx
= 1/2 sin 2x cos 2x - 2 sin^3 (x) cos x

and then I'm stuck.


Use the trig identity sin 2x = 2sin(x)cos(x)

and the last bit is the differential outside the bracket, which is much easier.
Reply 9
Swayum
DFranklin has just expanded out cos(3x) as cos(2x + x) and then expanded out the cos2x terms and got rid of the sines.
Actually, I googled 'cos 3x identity' and cut/pasted from the first hit, but your approach is also valid...
Reply 10
Swayum
Nope. I think you mean is cos(6x) = 2cos^2(3x) - 1, which doesn't really help. DFranklin has just expanded out cos(3x) as cos(2x + x) and then expanded out the cos2x terms and got rid of the sines.


ahh yes man. Need to brush up on my c4, been revising for m1 and c3 thats why :biggrin:
Reply 11
giran
Use the trig identity sin 2x = 2sin(x)cos(x)

and the last bit is the differential outside the bracket, which is much easier.



Okay, I got sinxcosx cos 2x - 2 sin^3 x cos x
Now what?
Reply 12
Nooooooo.

0.25 * sin (4x) - 2sin^3 (x) cos (x) dx

Now solve.
As an alternative method, you can use integration by parts.
You'll need to apply it twice.
And you need to be VERY, VERY, CAREFUL with the signs.
How do I get cos 3x = 4 cos^3x - 3cosx?


cos 3x=cos(x+2x) = cos x cos 2x - sin x sin 2x. Now cos 2x = 2cos^2x - 1, and sin 2x = 2 sin x cos x.
So cos 3x = 2cos^3x - cos x - 2 sin^2 x cos x. But sin^2x = 1-cos^2x, so
cos 3x = 2cos^3 x - cos x - 2(1-cos^2x) cos x = 4 cos^3 x - 3 cos x.
I'd integrate by parts, If you let I equal the initial integral, after two integration by parts, you'll end up with something like I = f(x)+KI for some function f(x) and k times your initial integral, then (1-k)I = f(x) etc etc
Reply 16
lalyala
Okay, I got sinxcosx cos 2x - 2 sin^3 x cos x
Now what?


I wouldn't multiply in the sinx.

You got to cos x cos 2x - sin x sin 2x.

Now note that cos x cos 2x - sin x sin 2x = cosxcos2x - 2sin^2xcosx

Expand out cos2x as well and use a well known identity on sin^2x and the identity pops out.
Reply 17
giran
Nooooooo.

0.25 * sin (4x) - 2sin^3 (x) cos (x) dx

Now solve.


I get 1/8 cos 4x - 2 sin^4 (x)
after integration. How do I change that to the right answer?
Reply 18
Almost there, but you need to understand that when you differentiate 2 sin^4 (x) you get 8 sin^3 (x) cos (x)
Reply 19
giran
Almost there, but you need to understand that when you differentiate 2 sin^4 (x) you get 8 sin^3 (x) cos (x)



Oh whoops.
Its 1/8 cos 4x - 1/2 sin^4 (x)

What now though?