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    (Original post by hotnanoo)
    Are you the BNP or something, you view homosexuality as a negative why?

    Not in a million years. My political stance is conservative. Like I said I am not homphobic, its just that the way I see it is that this could be caused by the breakdown in traditional moral values. This could be an indication of worse 'problems' to come.
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    (Original post by Weasel)
    Government Section 28 rule, which bans the promotion of homosexuality by local councils. This includes teaching any aspects of homosexuality in schools. It doesn't mean teaching pupils to be gay, its probably more to do with being taught about homosexuality in sex education.

    Which I disagree with because it would make it seem like it is a natural alternative lifestyle for people to adopt when they get older. This might further excacerbate the 'homosexuality crisis'.

    I agree with these quotes:

    "The government's position is that children in schools should be protected from inappropriate materials "

    Lord Rooker

    "The vast majority of parents do not want homosexuality promoted in schools "

    Baroness Blatch


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2915213.stm
    Section 28 also means that if a teenager approached a teacher (as a trusted adult) because they were confused about their sexuality or were having trouble at home because they were considering coming out to their parents etc etc - that teacher is forbidden from discussing the students feelings in a balanced way...they *cannot* promote or encourage a student to come out to their parents, they *can't even* tell their pupil that being gay is alright - they cannot promote homosexuality in any way.

    This isn't about showing 12 yr olds gay porn - its about changing homophobic attitudes which predominate in schools.
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    (Original post by Weasel)
    The gay community of Britain has risen from approximately 3 and a half million to 10 and a half million in ten years!
    spurious figures. i dont know why people just believe any statistics quoted to them. no way are there 10.5 million gay people in britain, thatd be 17% of the population!
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    (Original post by edders)
    spurious figures. i dont know why people just believe any statistics quoted to them. no way are there 10.5 million gay people in britain, thatd be 17% of the population!
    and how can you be so sure of that?
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    (Original post by Pencil Queen)
    Section 28 also means that if a teenager approached a teacher (as a trusted adult) because they were confused about their sexuality or were having trouble at home because they were considering coming out to their parents etc etc - that teacher is forbidden from discussing the students feelings in a balanced way...they *cannot* promote or encourage a student to come out to their parents, they *can't even* tell their pupil that being gay is alright - they cannot promote homosexuality in any way.

    This isn't about showing 12 yr olds gay porn - its about changing homophobic attitudes which predominate in schools.
    id also add that abolishing Section 28 could have just as many problems. an amendment to the legislation is what was needed, as the proposals by Gay rights groups, went beyond the discussion of homosexuality in certain contexts. of course the conservative party supported an amendment on the subject, but the left abolished it.
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    (Original post by edders)
    spurious figures. i dont know why people just believe any statistics quoted to them. no way are there 10.5 million gay people in britain, thatd be 17% of the population!
    it depends what gay means..bi-curious? had an experience? would like to try it? or fully homosexual.
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    (Original post by hotnanoo)
    homosexual crisis... I think not. People choose to be Gay and there is nothing wrong with being gay. You say it is a crisis that there are more gay people in Britain but why whats wrong with it ???
    its not that more people 'choose' to be gay: i would say, with a fair amount of certainty that there are no more or less gay people than 100 years ago: but the do choose to be more open about it, as it is now much more socially acceptible: you are not considered an outcast anymore by the majority: therefore you need not hide your sexuality: so as confidence grows, so shall the figures.....
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    (Original post by fionah)
    Of course it should be accepted and taught in schools, if everyone has more of an understanding about homosexuality then the number of homophobic crimes etc. should fall drastically.
    I agree, it seems to me that not teaching about it in schools is not only possibly isolating younge homosexuals but also sending out the message that there is something wronge about it.
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    (Original post by Weasel)
    It just got me thinking really that this could be a future problem for society as a whole. I mean, say if 50% of the population become homosexual in 2015. That would mean that, say, if you yourself had two children, then the likehood is (on probability) that one of your children would turn out to be gay. Would you be okay with this?
    HAHAHA! Oh dear, I think you've misled yourself slightly.

    It is very unlikely that half the population will be gay by 2015 (the same logic was used a few years ago when someone told me "if things keep going as they are, the entire population of the world will have joined the Five fanclub by 2003"). If it does happen, your children are no more likely to be gay than they would be if they were born this minute.

    This is not a rise in people being gay, it's a rise in people coming out as gay. The figures are relatively low now because there is still stigma attached to it, especially in older generations.

    Here's a scary thought: even now, there is a possibility that your first-born will be a raving woofter! Oh my god, what will you do?! But, happily for you, there's still a chance that they will go through their whole life never admitting to it and having an unfulfilling and crap time. Thank god for that - at least you won't have to deal with it, eh? Phew!
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    (Original post by randdom)
    I agree, it seems to me that not teaching about it in schools is not only possibly isolating younge homosexuals but also sending out the message that there is something wronge about it.
    it depends what you mean by teaching 'it'. teaching the biological background to homosexuality is perfectly acceptable, but i dont believe homosexual sex education is. at the very least i should have the right to remove my child from any sex ed classes where homosexual practices are being discussed.
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    (Original post by Weasel)
    Figures suggest that the estimated gay population in Britain has increased 3 fold since 1993. There was approximately 3 540 000 gay people in Britain in 1993, in 2003 this figure has shot up to an astonishing 10 620 000!
    British population = ~58m
    British gay population = 10.62m?
    Erm, I think not.
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    (Original post by elpaw)
    I think its because it's more acceptable to be gay. The figure for 10 years ago does not reflect those people who chose to stay in the closet. whereas now, most people come out. and i don't think it is a choice, it is from birth.
    I agree! I think because it is more socially acceptable to be gay that many people feel more confident to come out. I also think that by making the legal age for homosexual intercourse 16 that it has eased the stigma because homosexuals have been given the same rights as heterosexuals.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    it depends what you mean by teaching 'it'. teaching the biological background to homosexuality is perfectly acceptable, but i dont believe homosexual sex education is. at the very least i should have the right to remove my child from any sex ed classes where homosexual practices are being discussed.
    Why?
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    (Original post by Trousers)
    Why?
    for the same reason you can choose to have your child taken out of "straight" sex ed classes
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    it depends what you mean by teaching 'it'. teaching the biological background to homosexuality is perfectly acceptable, but i dont believe homosexual sex education is. at the very least i should have the right to remove my child from any sex ed classes where homosexual practices are being discussed.
    I disagree with you there! I think that if we were to educate people about homosexuality we'd have less of a stigma attached to it. I also think that if more help and guidance had been available to me I'd have not had to come out so early and do it on my own. I think that it is something that should be taught to stop some of the myths of homosexuality.
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    Teaching about homosexuality in schools wouldn't make the school children gay. But it would make things easier for the ones that are gay anyway.
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    (Original post by elpaw)
    for the same reason you can choose to have your child taken out of "straight" sex ed classes
    If it is for the same reason then fair enough, but Vienna didn't specify that. On the other, hand, if she thinks that children should be taught about heterosexual practices but not homosexual ones, I'm curious to know why. That's all.
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    Taking a recent rise in numbers of gay people and interpolating linearly into the future is as stupid as saying, last month the average temperate was 20C this month is it 30C... therefore in 4 years time the world will be a mass of molten rock.

    Look at the causes of the increase, simply because it is more acceptable to be gay it is more likely for someone to come out. And don't think that being gay is a new trend, read up on the Spartan army, and ancient greek culture.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    it depends what you mean by teaching 'it'. teaching the biological background to homosexuality is perfectly acceptable, but i dont believe homosexual sex education is. at the very least i should have the right to remove my child from any sex ed classes where homosexual practices are being discussed.
    Thats your choice but I don't see why it would be neccissary to remove your child from a sex education class about homosexuality, I don't think that they are likely to go into detail about how homosexual sex is carried out it would probably be very similar to other sex education.
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    (Original post by AntiMagicMan)
    And don't think that being gay is a new trend, read up on the Spartan army, and ancient greek culture.
    That comes up in just about every discussion about homosexuality. We must admit that the Spartans were a strange culture. They had wives so that they could procreate, and homosexual lovers; they also used to kill the weak by throwing them down the large surrounding hills, and let children fend for themselves. Sound like nice people........I'd like to meet one!
 
 
 
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