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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    Just say if it was permitted that a Muslim girl is allowed to wear the full blown religious dress would you complain if someone went in as a follower of the Ku Klux Klan including the headgear etc.? I'm just using a poser here...
    Indeed, I fully understand those that advocate more freedom, but equality in the eyes of the state must be sought. That means we all adhere to state school policies or we all wear what we want. One may think its ironic for muslims to talk of freedom, yet it is merely a militant opposition to a culture or value system that is free to oppose their own. Freedom from the state, but oppose freedom to anyone else willing to exercise theirs in a manner that does not adhere to the same value system. This derives from the belief that only one value system is correct, the one advocated by god and those able to enact his will. This can be summed up with Mad Caddie's and the Muslim Association of Britains understanding of free speech - "Free speech ends when others are offended".
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    This can be summed up with Mad Caddie's and the Muslim Association of Britains understanding of free speech - "Free speech ends when others are offended".
    I hope not! I'd have to take a vow of silence if this were so.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    I hope not! I'd have to take a vow of silence if this were so.
    Or start living in jail(http://dutchreport.blogspot.com/2005...in-prison.html) to protect you from a fatwa.
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    (Original post by Douglas)
    Wow, do you think the cleavage ridden billboards in Britain will be coming down soon?
    I doubt it, if anything, more will be going up, not that I'm concerned.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    Or start living in jail(http://dutchreport.blogspot.com/2005...in-prison.html) to protect you from a fatwa.
    Not while I have my loyal and reliable AK47 to protect me.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    This can be summed up with Mad Caddie's and the Muslim Association of Britains understanding of free speech - "Free speech ends when others are offended".
    Pathetic attempt to tarnish my character again vienna. I think you'll find that almost all people, with any concept of humanity and consideration for others, live by this rule, not just the MAB or myself. My right to insult the traffic warden who gave me a parking ticket last week, extends only as far as his job, not him, or his family. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand.
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    (Original post by Mad Caddie)
    Pathetic attempt to tarnish my character again vienna. I think you'll find that almost all people, with any concept of humanity and consideration for others, live by this rule, not just the MAB or myself. My right to insult the traffic warden who gave me a parking ticket last week, extends only as far as his job, not him, or his family. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand.
    Nobody can live by that rule. That's just daft. Any dialogue or expression that's remotely challenging is bound to offend someone.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Nobody can live by that rule. That's just daft. Any dialogue or expression that's remotely challenging is bound to offend someone.
    I think you'll find most people do live by that rule. I'd be interested to see the result of you walking through a predominantly black neighbourhood in America telling black people what you think of them. In fact, why don't you do it, and report back to us, seeing as you are so willing to express your views which insult others.
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    (Original post by Mad Caddie)
    I think you'll find most people do live by that rule. I'd be interested to see the result of you walking through a predominantly black neighbourhood in America telling black people what you think of them. In fact, why don't you do it, and report back to us, seeing as you are so willing to express your views which insult others.
    Stop blubbering MC.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Stop blubbering MC.
    Would you be willing to do the proposed task? Or are you scared?
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    (Original post by Mad Caddie)
    Pathetic attempt to tarnish my character again vienna. I think you'll find that almost all people, with any concept of humanity and consideration for others, live by this rule, not just the MAB or myself. My right to insult the traffic warden who gave me a parking ticket last week, extends only as far as his job, not him, or his family. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand.
    I agree, taking the example of the parking attendent it is acceptable to call him all the names under the sun (to an extent) but not to insult him using a racial slur, insult his religion ect that is pushing it to far.
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    (Original post by randdom)
    I agree, taking the example of the parking attendent it is acceptable to call him all the names under the sun (to an extent) but not to insult him using a racial slur, insult his religion ect that is pushing it to far.
    According to vienna we should freely be allowed to do this, humanity has no place in her democracy. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Mad Caddie)
    According to vienna we should freely be allowed to do this, humanity has no place in her democracy. :rolleyes:
    Should we ban Chris Rock's comedy? SHould we ban people from making racist jokes? Should we ban mein kampf?
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    (Original post by Lawzzzzzz)
    Should we ban Chris Rock's comedy? SHould we ban people from making racist jokes? Should we ban mein kampf?
    Yes.
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    (Original post by Mad Caddie)
    Would you be willing to do the proposed task? Or are you scared?
    So this policy of yours is for my protection is it? Didn't know you cared.

    Yes, I would be scared to walk through the hood in E.St.Louis smiling and telling everevery how wondeful they are let alone the truth that they live like pigs, are a bunch of junkies and workshy ho's etc.

    But, what's your point? That I can't have this opinion or that if I do I must put my life at risk to proclaim it in dangerous places?
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    (Original post by Mad Caddie)
    Yes.
    You think we should ban Chris Rock from telling the jokes he does:?

    Wow ... ok .. well why stop there?
    why not ban Englishman Scottsman and Irishman jokes

    WHy not ban jokes about fat people

    Why not haul people off to jail for airing a documentary about the KKK, or black Panthers

    let sanatize everything till no one is ever offended, and we all live in a world were every resentment or prejudice is lokced up and unaired - left to fester into real conflict - GREAT idea.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    But, what's your point? That I can't have this opinion or that if I do I must put my life at risk to proclaim it in dangerous places?
    So you believe that we should have free speech at all costs, regardless of who it offends, yet don't have the guts to carry out the actions in accordance to the ideologies you preach? You don't need me to tell you that you're a coward. In effect, you live by the rule which you claim that no-one can live by.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    So this policy of yours is for my protection is it? Didn't know you cared.

    Yes, I would be scared to walk through the hood in E.St.Louis smiling and telling everevery how wondeful they are let alone the truth that they live like pigs, are a bunch of junkies and workshy ho's etc.

    But, what's your point? That I can't have this opinion or that if I do I must put my life at risk to proclaim it in dangerous places?
    Still in St Louis Howard? Sorry! why arent you back in sunny FL??
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    (Original post by Mad Caddie)
    Pathetic attempt to tarnish my character again vienna.
    You agreed with that statement.

    Vienna - "Do you believe that free speech ends when others are offended?"
    MC - "Yes"

    I think you'll find that almost all people, with any concept of humanity and consideration for others, live by this rule, not just the MAB or myself. My right to insult the traffic warden who gave me a parking ticket last week, extends only as far as his job, not him, or his family. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand.
    I dont believe free speech ends if someone else is offended. You do. Its that simple. I can quote you again if you wish. And youre also a hypocrit, because you defended Ken Livingstone's right to an opinion, and when pressed, refused to admit that according to your own convictions, he had no right to free speech in making his comment to Mr. Finegold.
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    There is a difference, I understand that this can be hard to define by law but there is obviously a difference between insulting someones religion or race in a very serious way and doing it in a non-threatening jokeing environment. I have never seen cris rock (well nothing racist anyway) so I can't comment on the racist content of his jokes.
 
 
 
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