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Hey guys, does anyone know how to answer the question "Why do people die if God exists"? Someone asked me a year or so ago, and it was very difficult to answer without offending, since her mum died from cancer

Me and my friend's answer basically consisted of:
- Bigger plan (to which she countered "so God wanted my mum to die?")
- Natural process, death has to happen otherwise our world wouldn't be sustainable (to which she countered "so why didn't my mum live to die of old-age, and is God basically culling us?")
- Original sin, which is a fairly vague answer at best (which she countered with "why don't some evil people die in place of my mother?") which I considered answering with the possibility that those criminals may have some role to play in converting themselves or someone else, but thought better of it because she'd just say "so my mum wasn't going to achieve anything in life, so she was disposed of?"


It's a tricky problem, especially when the questioner's own family has been affected, what're your thoughts?
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strong arguments

I'll leave someone else to answer that
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Sorry if this seems silly, but how do you manage to get God to talk to you? I read a lot about other people's experiences of 'connections' and stuff but don't think I've ever felt them myself
I think its different for everyone but when God talks to you it wont always be the same things that reveal things to you. God has spoken to me through scriptures that i have read, when i was going through something where i have just thought.....WOW! And i just felt that he wanted me to read it.

Other times it has been through what other people have said to me without even knowing what i was going through that have really made me sit up and listen.

Sermons in church is also another place that he speaks to me.

When i was first saved i did not really understand it and it didn't happen for a long while. You need to have a relationship first which only comes with growth and time. Someone explained it to me by saying that when you first meet somebody you don't know everything about them straight away, you have to learn what they like, their personality, what they don't like...etc. It's the same with God.
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I don't know if it gets clearer as you get closer in relationship with him.
It certainly does .

"The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice." John 3 v 2-5.
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It certainly does .

"The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice." John 3 v 2-5.
Yeah my mum showed me that when I asked her how I could be sure I wasn't talking to myself
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Hello, fellow Christians. May I enquire as to whether any here believe in evolution? I am curious
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Hello, fellow Christians. May I enquire as to whether any here believe in evolution? I am curious
Erm, I don't see why not

Though it does kind of complicate Jesus' role as the last Adam, and the whole business of souls
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Hello, fellow Christians. May I enquire as to whether any here believe in evolution? I am curious
To be honest I do not. I believe that all the scientific evidence point towards it (I'm not going to try and argue scientifically that it doesn't, because most people when they do that use bad science and logic) but that it's not how the world started.

I don't see how the bible can support it, to be honest (can anyone care to explain?)
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To be honest I do not. I believe that all the scientific evidence point towards it (I'm not going to try and argue scientifically that it doesn't, because most people when they do that use bad science and logic) but that it's not how the world started.

I don't see how the bible can support it, to be honest (can anyone care to explain?)
You believe that all the evidence points towards it, yet you don't believe it? :wtf:

The account of creation in the Bible can be taken in allegorical terms - indeed, it must (plants come before the sun in the myth).
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This page was interesting.
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(Original post by JB Johnstone)
To be honest I do not. I believe that all the scientific evidence point towards it (I'm not going to try and argue scientifically that it doesn't, because most people when they do that use bad science and logic) but that it's not how the world started.

I don't see how the bible can support it, to be honest (can anyone care to explain?)
I agree. To believe evolution is right is to believe human knowledge to be infallible (which it clearly isn't).
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I agree. To believe evolution is right is to believe human knowledge to be infallible (which it clearly isn't).
But what about everything else in science?! People seem to trust that with no problems!
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But what about everything else in science?! People seem to trust that with no problems!
Science on creation is far more theoretical than, for example, biology. It is like saying that our knowledge of history is equally great throughout time when in reality it is relative weak in the Dark Ages and moderately strong in the Second World War. Inconsistency is part of human fallibility, so you cannot expect all of science to simply be correct.
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As a scientist, I agree that natural selection takes place to produce variation within species. But I don't think that is enough to allow evolution into new species. I believe in a literal 6 day creation, & don't think there's enough evidence to support evolution (& doubt there'll ever be unless someone invents a time machine! It's not a scientific theory that can easily be tested...).

(Original post by Tzarchasm)
I feel like I've recently lost my chemistry/connection with life. I feel so dry with everything I do. I understand I need the grades but I'd rather do everything other than revise. When I pray, I feel like there's no one at the other end. When I sit an exam, I'd never click with it or try and understand it. Yet I've changed completely as a person; I'm more patient, less angry, haven't drank alcohol in a year and I haven't watched porn in 5 months.

Am I doing something wrong? I'm beginning to lose sight of who I am spiritually.
We all go thru phases where we struggle in our relationship with God, & that affects other aspects of our lives too. It's good that you recognise this, & want to change. Don't worry too much; you're only human after all, & change tends to be a slow process. Of course God can change us instantly, but He often changes us slowly, as we learn a lot thru the process it took to get us there. I suggest you try your best to really get stuck into your relationship with God, seek support from other Christians, & perhaps try to get involved in reaching out to people with God's love. But don't try to do anything in your own strength or with the wrong motives; ask God for His strength, motivation, etc.
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Cancer tends to occur as a result of our habits over time. God so loved us that He gave us freedom to choose. That's the perfect love. Love cannot exist without hatred and the freedom to choose. He, however, also created the law in the universe (which we try to study through the Bible and sciences).

We can choose whether to listen to Him or not. He gave us that ability. When we chose not to, we already had to deal with the consequence - death. We deserved it. We knew what the consequences were, and we still chose to sin. Yes, we have lots of excuses for that, but we're not to judge. The job belongs to the One who created the law. I know it sounds cruel, but remember God is also just. This is what people tend to forget. What would the point of creating the law be, if He himself didn't obey it? We can't just break the law and get away with it. But He so loves us that He's giving as another chance. We again have the right to choose. It's our freedom. We have that from Him. This is where the New Testament comes in place.

If we choose to follow Him, He promises us a much better life after we die (even while we're alive actually).

I know it's very difficult to explain it without making the person feel worse. But you're there to tell the truth. In such situation, don't sympathize, but empathize instead. That's what I believe is better. In fact, you don't need to talk about God immediately, just listen to her first - empathize. Let your life give testimony about God. Start talking about God once she seems searching. It's really hard to do it when she's still trying to blame God.

God didn't want her mother to die. God doesn't want anybody to die. God loves us, but at the same time, He wants the law to be obeyed, as a way to show our love to Him. God created the law before we chose not to obey it. There must be some kind of punishment for those who break the law. And He did warn us about it.

"why don't some evil people die in place of my mother?" - The evil people will be judged and punished by the One who has the authority, which is clearly not us. It's not our business. Similarly, her mother will be judged according to the law. At the end of the day, the current life is short and not as important as the one after. This is however very difficult to understand for people who don't believe in life after death.

God doesn't plan anybody's death. We know that if we're not careful with our health or when we go out, somehing bad might happen to us. We know this, yet we decide to live the way we do. Yes, we do tend to look at other people and try to compare them to ourselves and judge them accordingly. But we should mind our own lives first. God created the law so He can decide to punish us however He wants. He has that right. We also know that there's a much better life waiting for us if we choose to follow Him. We're responsible for our own lives.

All we can do now is pray for her mother.


I turned Christian very recently, so I'm definitely not the experienced one here. This is how I understand it so far. Hope it helps. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

God bless.
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Hello, fellow Christians. May I enquire as to whether any here believe in evolution? I am curious
I do. I think a fair few of the others do, too.
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I do. I think a fair few of the others do, too.
Evolution is Darwinism in which our distinct ancestor was a Gorilla. I could go into this with more detail but it's too late now. God created the world not evolution. Evolution is scientific doesn't that conflict with the biblical Genesis creation explanation? Science and Christainity should not be mixed together with science. As Christanity is based on faith not logic.
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Hey guys, does anyone know how to answer the question "Why do people die if God exists"? Someone asked me a year or so ago, and it was very difficult to answer without offending, since her mum died from cancer
As much as we may want an answer to this question, the unfortunate reality is that God hasn't given us one that is truly satisfying (for me, anyway). Have a read of the book of Job, particularly chapters 38ff. - it's my favourite part of the Bible, in many ways, because God acknowledges that horrible things happen and yet asserts that he has his hand over it all and that we must trust in him. Not an intellectual answer, I'm afraid, but there isn't always one.


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Hello, fellow Christians. May I enquire as to whether any here believe in evolution? I am curious
Yep. : ) I don't think the Bible was intended to be a science textbook (in any modern sense, anyway). Genesis sets out a narrative faith that acts like a creed, the first point of which is that God created us and everything around us. I don't think the "how" bit is so important.
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Evolution is Darwinism in which our distinct ancestor was a Gorilla. I could go into this with more detail but it's too late now. God created the world not evolution. Evolution is scientific doesn't that conflict with the biblical Genesis creation explanation? Science and Christainity should not be mixed together with science. As Christanity is based on faith not logic.
1) The theory of evolution doesn't explain the 'creation of the world': it is merely an account for how complex organisms can develop from simpler organisms.

2) Humans and gorillas can be traced along two distinct evolutionary paths back to a single common ancestor - although they do share about 97.5% of DNA, one has not evolved directly from another.

3) The Biblical creation story has been largely accepted by intelligent Christians as an allegory for the creation of the universe: useful at a time when nobody knew how we and our surroundings came to be.
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